Why are you doing all this modifications to your truck Dave40? Are you planning on racing it somewhere? I ordered a 3/4ton and really don't see any need to do any modifications to make it any better. I went that route in my teenager years and found out it was a waste of money
MY 6.0 300hp hauls [non-permissible content removed]!! Even more when I hook up that Airaid Highflow Filter and Catback Exhaust like Awesome DAVE40 . Going with Edelbrock IAS shocks too !
Anybody know anything about the '77 Chevy LUV pickup? Just bought one with 55,000 miles on it from an old guy. I know it says ISUZU everywhere on it but it seems to run good. Has an automatic transmission, original paint, and an AM radio that doesn't work any more. Been in a garage its whole life.
2000 ford 6.8 v10 will be rated at 300hp/430 lb ft torque, up from 275/410 in 99. care for a pull-off? of course not, 'cause you'll get your 355lb ft 6.0 butt whipped. awesome, butt-kickin' chevy my [non-permissible content removed].
What are they doing with 4.8 million 502 blocks per year? Last time I saw one of those was under the hood of a buddy's Chevelle. Come to think of it, that's the only time I've seen one of those.
Dave As per your e-mail, you are reading more into it than what's there. I don't believe that the 502 and the 454 big block are of the same casting for one thing. The information you gave me also was not official #'s, but heresay from a line worker. Not valid. If true, this is still 454's not 502's.
Does anyone know of a pair of stainless steel nerf side bars for an Extended Cab 99 Silverado that is long enough for the third and possible 4th door in 2000 model year? I only want the ones like they made on the 98 Chevys where you can just bolt them directly into the existing frame underneath the truck. No additional drilling required! Who makes them, if anybody, and what is there number to call up or their website address. Indigo Blue Metallic paint with stainless steel nerf bars would be sharp!
I have the Westin chrome nerf bars on my Ram 1500 Quad cab. They also come in black and stainless steel and attach to the underneath without drilling. I don't know if they have a web site.
Since my newer 1999 will be coming in soon without power bucket seats and a more plain one color of Indigo Blue Metallic, I thought the non-two tone of Blue/Pewter needs a little contrast. The dealer I talked to gave me item# 150046 for the stainless steel Ext. Cab nerf bars that mount directly into the existing holes of the 1999 Ext. Cab Silverados frame - no drilling required. The cost was $475.00, but since if I ever sell this new truck, I can always unbolt the nerf bars and put it on another Chevy truck. Do you think since $475.00 is MSRP, the dealer would throw in either free installation or give me lets say $50.00 off of $475.00?
Bass Pro has Stainless nerf bars! Got their truck issue and it has them for I think $299 to $349 depending whick models you choose. I have been watching people with nerf bars and the first two I have seen getting into their vehicles didn't even use them. I am going to continue my observation to decide if I should add them!
I will not put them for show! I will if they get used!
I read the last few postings and I must Help out DodgerRam:
I have a 98 Ram 1500 4x4 Club Cab with the mighty 5.9 V8. This engine has a torque peak of 335lbs at 3000 RPM. The 5.3 chevy peaks out at 4000RPM , only 315lbs. The Chevy does have more HP but at 4500 RPM. The 5.9 has 245 HP at 4000 RPM. The chevy has peak specs at very high RPMS. If you plan to drive in 3rd gear the truck will kick [non-permissible content removed]. I know that when I am at 55-60 mph the rpms are at areound 1800. When I hit the gas from a stop I rarely exceed 2700 RPM. Who cares about high RPM specs, YOu will hardly rev the engine that High. My buddy has the 5.3 in his 99 Silverado and I drove it. It rides smooth,but I wasnt impressed with the power. My Ram has much more take off power and at 60+ MPH too. My buddy (who owns the Chevy 5.3) drove my Ram and said the Ram felt more powerful.
The Chevy is a nice truck, gets good mileage. But the chevy is a low rider and is high in $$$.
I love the Ram, it sits higher has the great 3 seater bench in the front and has a durable live front axle. It has awesome low end power and pick up from the go.
Both are great trucks but Drive a 5.9 and you will feel it.
Heres a question for ya dave. You load down both trucks, the ram 5.9l, and the 6.0l, with say 2000lbs (example only), you race the too trucks side by side, guess who's faster, not the 6.0l with its 300hp, but the dog as you call it with its 245hp. Why the dodge has more usable power at lower rpms, then thechevy does. It doesn't even have to wind up too pull the weight. Trucks were created to do work, not race. The new chevy's are worthless when it comes to work. You need to rev up really high to use the aviable hp, that no good. By the way the 5.9l does do zero to 60 in 8.5seconds, thats not bad for a 3/4ton heavy duty truck. That light duty chevy can barely squeak past it with a higher displacement motor, and being a lighter truck.
I'm taking you to task dodgeram. Comparing my Chevy 1500 (1/2 ton) reg cab long-bed 4x4 5.3L 4.10 axle to the Ram 1500 4x4 reg cab long-bed 4x4 5.9L and you get the following (according to http://www.carpoint.com): Payload: Dodge 1563, Chevy 2012. So you can't even properly carry 2000 lbs in the Dodge 1/2 ton. Meanwhile, I carried almost that much load in my humble 1/2 ton....I drove across the scales to prove it. 3150 lbs on each axle, 1912 lbs actual payload. It had plenty of giddy-up going up a 15% grade, and didn't get passed by any dodges. Got a 15% grade near you? If you want something to compare to the Chevy 6.0L in the 2500, try the Ram V10 which will pass everything but the pump.
My last email was a bit childish. The 5.3 is a good engine, but the 5.9 is a work horse. Both the Chevy and Dodge are good trucks. But if you havent driven both how can you compare?
that 5.3 will not out run my 5.9l, not now, not tommorow not ever!, and it will never win a pulling contest!
quadrunner, why don't you compare the 2500's. You abviously picked the one model truck that had the higher payload. Because I did the comparison the other day, and found that the dodge still has the higher payloads in most models, espeacialy the 2wd models. Remember truck trends tests of the three pickups. The dodge pulled the whatever wieght they were carrying faster than the chevy. And they all did zero to 60 in 8.5sec.
By the way, what are the chances of a another truck (Dodge) carrying 1912Lbs, going up the same hill as you were at the same time, get real. But if there was a dodge truck carryuing 1912lbs at the same time you were, it would have blown by you so fast, you would barely be able to read that 5 letter decal on the back of that truck!
Yes my dad has a Dodge! In the shop 3 times and needs to go in again(for the transmission)! I am sure they do not all have this problem but I was not going to take that chance. I got a 99 Silverado! See my truck online at! http://www.offl.com/chevytrucks/
If the 5.9L is such a work horse, why is it scheduled to be replaced by a smaller higher revving engine used in the Jeep? Perhaps it is a "dead horse."
Why did Chevy get rid of the 350 in the fullsize trucks for the 5.3? The 350 was a better motor, if you asked me.
I'm with dodgeram on this one, the Dodge 5.9 will certainly outpull one of them GM 5.3's anyday. It is definitely a stronger motor, not the dog Dave40 calls it. Why don't you look at the torque specs? Dodge's 335 LB/FT vs. GM's 315 LB/FT. And the GM motor has to go all the way to 4000 to do even that.
why don't you kids look at the torque curves? the dodge only has torque over a small range of rpms, why the chevy has torque from low rpms to high rpms.
this is a very hard mathematical concept for some people to consider, i guess becuase they don't know what horsepower really is. The Chevy's have specs at high rpms because their torque curve stays almost at full torque up there. Dodge and Ford torque curves fall to nothing at higher rpms. The Chevy has over 300 ftlb all the way up to 5000 rpms. Torque*rpm=horsepower. if you still have a lot of torque at high rpms, your peak value is going to be read there.
there's nothing wrong with Dodge's 5.9, it'll get the job done anyday of the week. but it gets really crappy gas mileage. a half ton 4x4 dodge will get about 14 mpg, while the same sized chevy will get about 18. that adds up over the course of 200,000 miles.
even with the smaller torque curve, the 360 can run great if its geared correctly. that goes for any engine.
but if you look at the torque curve of the 6.0 Chevrolet, it is MUCH wider than that of the Dodge. that means usable power at ANY rpm, at ANY speed.
so go ahead and pull your 3000 lbs up a 40% grade. one truck wins by one truck length. I guess if you were pulling a trailer to the moon, then it would actually make a hill of beans, but most hills i drive aren't that big....
xl_1228, Chevy did not get rid of the 350 in the full size trucks. Visit your Chevy dealer and ask to see a '99 C/K 1500/2500. You can still get the 454 too. It's not too late for you to buy one. Many people still do!
As for the 5.9L out-pulling the 5.3L anyday, you should open the same Truck Trend issue (2/99) that dodgeram cites. You'll see that when they added an 800 pound payload to both trucks, the Chevy surpassed the Ram (and F150) in both 1/4 mile time and speed. Dodge not-so-definitely stronger! And the Chevy got 2.9 more miles per gallon to boot. Arf....Arf.....Arf!!!
cdean, I'm feeling a lot of love in here, and you are right about everything, but there are no paved 40% grades anywhere! I guess that's why it doesn't make it up a hill of beans!
Quadruner 500, the 5.9l is being replaced because of people like you who complain that the current motor design isn't getting good milage. Not to say thats not true. The replacement will have a lot higher hp, and torque, plus will be rev happy like the gm's, but I bet the farm that it will have more balls than both chevy and ford, because dodge never likes to finish last. also the 350 and 454 will be done production in a few more months, and then they too will be replaced by new motors.
Cdean, why would you want to run your engine at high rpm's, when the dodge can achevie it's peak power at lower rpm's. Unless your racing you want your truck to have it's max torque at lower rpm's. And if the chevy has such a flat torque curve 300+ all the way to 5000rpm, how come it doesn't our run the ram in the quartermile by a long shot, if the ram has little torque past 4500 rpms?
you're missing the point. the dodge motors have the peak at lower rpms. but the chevy engine are around peak values at ALL rpms, low and high. nobody said they wanted their rpms high. but when you're driving your engine will have to run thru the higher rpms before it downshifts. if you never run your engine over the torque peak, you're not putting much hp on the ground. if you have a manual, try to accelerate as fast as you can, but upshift before you hit 2700 rpm. you won't get there as fast as if you let it rev. more torque at those higher rpms simply means it overall pulls better.
as for the quartermile, the torque at high rpms won't really be noticed until you strap a load on, since you run through the higher rpms much faster than you do the lower rpms. but that has little at all to do with the quatermile time... irrelevant. you have to take into account transmission, axle gearing, tires, wt, etc. take that into account and get back with me.
With the 100 horses you also get a high pitch whine . I hear my neighbors suburban whine every time he leaves .But if your exaust is loud enough you may not even hear it. He has the whipple .
Dave40 ... I had a whipple on my '95 and the blower was bearly audible at best. Most never knew anything was different. Nowhere near the whine of the turbo in my PSD. Centrifugal blowers are much noisier than roots type and screw blowers.
I would like some help in trying to find a build sheet for my pickup. It is a 1977 GMC Sierra Classic, I called GMC with the VIN but they said they only keep records back to 1991! How am I supposed to find out anything?
I have a '99 Silverado LS, Z-71, 5.3L, auto, and almost of the other goodies. Personally I think the fog lights could be brighter. I pulled one of the bulbs out and the markings on it stated: GE880 H27W. I would like to know if I can put a brighter bulb in and not do any damage to the fog light housing or lens.
A Supertrapp is okay, just go for an aluminum or stainless steel model. The regular steel ones rust to easily. I have one on my motorcycle and I like it a lot.
There is one disadvantage to a Supertrapp, the discs get clogged with dirt if you are in muddy conditions, and then have to be taken out and cleaned.
I know Supertrapp now makes a model for motorcycles that has the discs inside of it to keep them clean, but I'm not sure if they make one of those for trucks.
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hose to the inside of the cab you would'nt care!
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Even more when I hook up that Airaid Highflow Filter and Catback Exhaust like Awesome DAVE40 . Going with Edelbrock IAS shocks too !
http://www.nosnitrous.com/page12.html
Dave40 .... Where did you get your information on the 502 foundry pumping out 12,000 per day?
things out!
Was starting to wonder if you were OK Dave? It sure got quiet here!
Dave how did you get pictures of your truck on the web site?
I have the Westin chrome nerf bars on my Ram 1500 Quad cab. They also come in black and stainless steel and attach to the underneath without drilling. I don't know if they have a web site.
Since my newer 1999 will be coming in soon
without power bucket seats and a more plain one color of Indigo Blue Metallic, I thought the non-two tone of Blue/Pewter needs a little contrast. The dealer I talked to gave me item# 150046 for the stainless steel Ext. Cab nerf bars that mount directly into the existing holes of the 1999 Ext. Cab Silverados frame - no drilling required. The cost was $475.00, but since if I ever sell this new truck, I can always unbolt the nerf bars and put it on another Chevy truck. Do you think since $475.00 is MSRP, the dealer would throw in either free installation or give me lets say $50.00 off of $475.00?
I will not put them for show! I will if they get used!
I have a 98 Ram 1500 4x4 Club Cab with the mighty 5.9 V8. This engine has a torque peak of 335lbs at 3000 RPM. The 5.3 chevy peaks out at 4000RPM , only 315lbs. The Chevy does have more HP but at 4500 RPM. The 5.9 has 245 HP at 4000 RPM. The chevy has peak specs at very high RPMS. If you plan to drive in 3rd gear the truck will kick [non-permissible content removed].
I know that when I am at 55-60 mph the rpms are at areound 1800. When I hit the gas from a stop I rarely exceed 2700 RPM. Who cares about high RPM specs, YOu will hardly rev the engine that High.
My buddy has the 5.3 in his 99 Silverado and I drove it. It rides smooth,but I wasnt impressed with the power. My Ram has much more take off power and at 60+ MPH too. My buddy (who owns the Chevy 5.3) drove my Ram and said the Ram felt more powerful.
The Chevy is a nice truck, gets good mileage. But the chevy is a low rider and is high in $$$.
I love the Ram, it sits higher has the great 3 seater bench in the front and has a durable live front axle. It has awesome low end power and pick up from the go.
Both are great trucks but Drive a 5.9 and you will feel it.
Rich
So 6.0l under a load arf arf arf and arf!
Payload: Dodge 1563, Chevy 2012.
So you can't even properly carry 2000 lbs in the Dodge 1/2 ton. Meanwhile, I carried almost that much load in my humble 1/2 ton....I drove across the scales to prove it. 3150 lbs on each axle, 1912 lbs actual payload. It had plenty of giddy-up going up a 15% grade, and didn't get passed by any dodges. Got a 15% grade near you? If you want something to compare to the Chevy 6.0L in the 2500, try the Ram V10 which will pass everything but the pump.
I have driven both the 5.3 Chevy and the 5.9 Dodge.
The Dodge seems to be a faster truck. Both trucks were 1/2 ton extend cab 4x4's. The prove is in the pudding!!
Dodge Ram Rules!!!
The 5.3 is comparable to a high reving Hundai 4 cyl.
Rich
My last email was a bit childish. The 5.3 is a good engine, but the 5.9 is a work horse. Both the Chevy and Dodge are good trucks. But if you havent driven both how can you compare?
Rich
quadrunner, why don't you compare the 2500's. You abviously picked the one model truck that had the higher payload. Because I did the comparison the other day, and found that the dodge still has the higher payloads in most models, espeacialy the 2wd models. Remember truck trends tests of the three pickups. The dodge pulled the whatever wieght they were carrying faster than the chevy. And they all did zero to 60 in 8.5sec.
By the way, what are the chances of a another truck (Dodge) carrying 1912Lbs, going up the same hill as you were at the same time, get real. But if there was a dodge truck carryuing 1912lbs at the same time you were, it would have blown by you so fast, you would barely be able to read that 5 letter decal on the back of that truck!
I compared the 1/2 ton long bed because it's what I own. Is it my fault it kicks butt?
http://www.offl.com/chevytrucks/
Why did Chevy get rid of the 350 in the fullsize trucks for the 5.3? The 350 was a better motor, if you asked me.
I'm with dodgeram on this one, the Dodge 5.9 will certainly outpull one of them GM 5.3's anyday. It is definitely a stronger motor, not the dog Dave40 calls it. Why don't you look at the torque specs? Dodge's 335 LB/FT vs. GM's 315 LB/FT. And the GM motor has to go all the way to 4000 to do even that.
Of course then there is the 5.4 Ford with 345...
this is a very hard mathematical concept for some people to consider, i guess becuase they don't know what horsepower really is. The Chevy's have specs at high rpms because their torque curve stays almost at full torque up there. Dodge and Ford torque curves fall to nothing at higher rpms. The Chevy has over 300 ftlb all the way up to 5000 rpms. Torque*rpm=horsepower. if you still have a lot of torque at high rpms, your peak value is going to be read there.
there's nothing wrong with Dodge's 5.9, it'll get the job done anyday of the week. but it gets really crappy gas mileage. a half ton 4x4 dodge will get about 14 mpg, while the same sized chevy will get about 18. that adds up over the course of 200,000 miles.
even with the smaller torque curve, the 360 can run great if its geared correctly. that goes for any engine.
but if you look at the torque curve of the 6.0 Chevrolet, it is MUCH wider than that of the Dodge. that means usable power at ANY rpm, at ANY speed.
so go ahead and pull your 3000 lbs up a 40% grade. one truck wins by one truck length. I guess if you were pulling a trailer to the moon, then it would actually make a hill of beans, but most hills i drive aren't that big....
Chevy did not get rid of the 350 in the full size trucks. Visit your Chevy dealer and ask to see a '99 C/K 1500/2500. You can still get the 454 too. It's not too late for you to buy one. Many people still do!
As for the 5.9L out-pulling the 5.3L anyday, you should open the same Truck Trend issue (2/99) that dodgeram cites. You'll see that when they added an 800 pound payload to both trucks, the Chevy surpassed the Ram (and F150) in both 1/4 mile time and speed. Dodge not-so-definitely stronger! And the Chevy got 2.9 more miles per gallon to boot. Arf....Arf.....Arf!!!
cdean,
I'm feeling a lot of love in here, and you are right about everything, but there are no paved 40% grades anywhere! I guess that's why it doesn't make it up a hill of beans!
Cdean, why would you want to run your engine at high rpm's, when the dodge can achevie it's peak power at lower rpm's. Unless your racing you want your truck to have it's max torque at lower rpm's. And if the chevy has such a flat torque curve 300+ all the way to 5000rpm, how come it doesn't our run the ram in the quartermile by a long shot, if the ram has little torque past 4500 rpms?
you're missing the point. the dodge motors have the peak at lower rpms. but the chevy engine are around peak values at ALL rpms, low and high. nobody said they wanted their rpms high. but when you're driving your engine will have to run thru the higher rpms before it downshifts. if you never run your engine over the torque peak, you're not putting much hp on the ground. if you have a manual, try to accelerate as fast as you can, but upshift before you hit 2700 rpm. you won't get there as fast as if you let it rev. more torque at those higher rpms simply means it overall pulls better.
as for the quartermile, the torque at high rpms won't really be noticed until you strap a load on, since you run through the higher rpms much faster than you do the lower rpms. but that has little at all to do with the quatermile time... irrelevant. you have to take into account transmission, axle gearing, tires, wt, etc. take that into account and get back with me.
A Supertrapp is okay, just go for an aluminum or stainless steel model. The regular steel ones rust to easily. I have one on my motorcycle and I like it a lot.
There is one disadvantage to a Supertrapp, the discs get clogged with dirt if you are in muddy conditions, and then have to be taken out and cleaned.
I know Supertrapp now makes a model for motorcycles that has the discs inside of it to keep them clean, but I'm not sure if they make one of those for trucks.