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  • akjbmwakjbmw Member Posts: 231
    I don't know who has bought who, but Fisk was a name that made tires for others. Like K-Mart. The name had been around along time when I started being interested in such stuff, and I'm ancient... (just ask my daughter) ;-)
    Everyone makes different grades for different slots in the market. Mostly, it seems to depend on your driving style and the vehicle design/tire size specification. Explorer? :-(
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    Normally what I do is run the tires about 5# under the max unless I am going to haul near the limit of the tire then I run max pressure. So far it has worked well for me and it boosted my gas milage about 2 mpg.
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    Start reading back at post 41
    see ya
    Rando
  • xyz71xyz71 Member Posts: 179
    P265 75 16 tires load rating is higher than LT 265 75 16 tires? This is even at a lower Max PSI.

    P265 - 2,601 pounds @ 44 PSI
    LT265 - 2,470 pounbds @ 50 PSI

    Not that 131 pounds is that big of a deal, but I thought the light truck rated tire would be more than a passenger car tire.
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    Good question, LT tires have more belts than the comparable non'LT version. I always figured they would handle a larger load, but I guess not...I do know that the LT version will last better on the vehicle though, they always wear better over the miles. Might have to ask the mfgr..who is the mfgr you are checking..??
  • steve234steve234 Member Posts: 460
    Generally, the big advantage of LT tires is that they endure rough operations better. If you do not spend much time on gravel roads or going thru pastures, you do not have high need for an LT tire. I spend most of my trucking on the pavement, but even then, I have lost two tires in a little over a year due to gravel cuts.
  • xyz71xyz71 Member Posts: 179
    The strange part - the LT is rated to handle 50PSI, but still has a lower load limit.

    Could this have something to do with different rating methods for car tires VS truck tires?
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    I actually think that on-road driving is harder on the tires....potholes getting hit at speeds above 35 mph are a big "ouch" as far as I'm concerned.
    I go off-road routinely, gravel roads,rutted,,,,I go slow and try not to ram any of them ruts at the wrong angle, he he
    could be that the LT designation is for off-road intentions and is rated differently than the comparable non-LT version of the same tire,,I don't know,,,I have seen tires that have both versions but never actually compared the load they could carry...good question for a mfgr I think
    I do know that the LT tires do last better than the non-LT versions overall though on normal everyday driving (on and off-road,highway,summer and winter..)
    Maybe someone can enlighten us?
    Rando
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Hello everyone, nice to see this thread getting lots of posts... :) I was wondering if I can put different ply tires on my truck.. My truck now has a C ply rating tire and my dad's truck has an E ply rating.. Both tires are the same size.. Was just wondering if I can run dad's tires on my truck without any problems or does it even make a difference?? I know the E ply tires are just for heavier loads so I don't think it would matter or would it.. Thanks for all your replys..

    Swoosh Man
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    on your truck...They would handle a heavier load if need be but otherwise probably just cost more to buy them up front. You can always buy better load rated tires than you need, they just may cost more due to better construction. The main thing to avoid is putting low-grade tires on a vehicle that needs a higher grade due to load/speed rating...You can put his "e"s on your truck no problem, probably better for it anyway.
    Could ride a little rougher but probably not enough to notice.
  • smgillessmgilles Member Posts: 252
    On my taco I went from so called 'B' rating to the BF AT/KO's w/a D range. It does ride a little rough, but overall a million times better. You can expect to ride a little different when you go from a 4 ply to a 8 ply tire though.
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Yeah I figured the same but wasn't sure.. To answer your question, yeah I was thinkinh of putting his firestone steeltex at's on my chev.. Thanks for the response..

    Swoosh
  • mbatchelormbatchelor Member Posts: 27
    Actually, P rated tires usually don't have a higher load capacity than a LT tire. P ratings are based on passenger car use, so installing a P rated tire on a light truck you need to deduct 10% from the maximum weight rating.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    The real answer is between those two. Since load is an unknown (by the tire manf) variable. Max pressure and load are determined by the manufacturer.

    Properly sized and loaded tires increase pressure 3-6 psi from cold to hot. Less than 3 psi means the cold pressure is too high, not enough tire flex to fully warm the tire; more than 6 psi pressure rise means the tires were underinflated and have too much flex and get too hot. The vehicle manufacturer has tested the vehicle and recommends a cold pressue that will work for most applications.

    Checking cold and hot pressures will enable you to determine the best tire pressure for your use. If you have changed tire size or wheel width, the factory suggestions may not be right for your application, and need to be verified by the hot-cold method.

    Mike L
  • oldharryoldharry Member Posts: 413
    LT tires are generally heavier construction than P series, and as such build more heat. That is the reason for slightly lower weight ratings. The differences in construction, will usually mean longer life when loaded heavily. Most LT's come with deeper tread too, gving better traction off road.

    If going from "C" rated tires to "E" rated, I recommend running a little more air pressure. The "E"s have more material to heat up from flexing. I always inflate my tires "cold", but also check them "hot". If one tire is picking up more pressure than the rest, it is showing early signs of tire failure. A small ply separation will heat up a tire more, and "hot" pressure gives you early warning.

    Harry
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Anyone know the right tire pressure for a 2001 Ford F250 with LT 265/75 R16 E tires??

    Thanks, Swoosh
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    I'm sure everyone's seen those tire products that give you a new black shiny look to your tires... I was just wondering what people found to work the best on their tires...

    Swoosh Man
  • white250white250 Member Posts: 68
    I have been using formula 2000 in the green bottle.I have used it for years & works great !
  • jaguar0027jaguar0027 Member Posts: 387
    is also some pretty good stuff. Spray it on and leave it. No foam not much mess...
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Yeah I've used tire wet too, good stuff... I also had this stuff in an aerosol spray and it was garbage, I'm not sure of the name but I will try to find out and let ya know...

    Swoosh
  • warfishwarfish Member Posts: 117
    My 2001 Dodge 2500 diesel came with michelins and from the day it was delivered I hated the way it drove. It wanted to wander all over the place like a twin I-beam Ford, and the ride was so hard it was painful. I tried lowering the air pressure as far as I considered safe and that didn't help. Driving in the raain with those tires was downright scary. Finally I got on the internet and researched who made a tire to fit the 8" rims besides Michelin. I had a set of Uniroyal Laredos installed and I couldn't believe the difference. I stopped a few miles down the road to see if the installer had put in enough air, and he had pumped the almost to the max. These tires handle like a dream and ride so much better it is almost unbelieveable. Since then I've hauled a 12,000 lb fifth wheel almost 30,000 miles and the tires have served me very well. I expect to get at least 40,000 more miles out of them.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    much less sold them. Thought everyone had Firestones.
  • steve234steve234 Member Posts: 460
    If you haven't got the skinny on air pressure yet, the drivers side door has the recommended tire pressure or else it will be posted in the glove box. Plus the owners manual should have a chart for each tire offered.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The posted tire pressure are for the tires that come with the truck from the factory. If you change brands, they no longer apply.
  • xyz71xyz71 Member Posts: 179
    Michelin makes a private label tire for Wal-mart called the Liberator A/T. I thought the Wal-mart guy was a liar, so I called Michelin myself to confirm. He was telling the truth.

    I decided to move up a size to 285 75 16R 119/122Q. This is by far the best deal - $462.00 - tires, lifetime balance, stems, road hazard & tax. Discount tire wanted almost $800 for the BFG KO's, over $600 for the no name brand (Pathfinder) with no road hazard. I actually like the looks of the Liberator's better.

    Now I need to get the correct PSI in the tires - starting out 40 F/ 35 R, but may need to add about 5 PSI to each - any opinions about PSI in this size tire?? - I hate it when they wear out in the middle.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I run 52 in the front and 50 in the rear on my 285/75/R16 BFGs

    So far with over 15K no wear problems
  • xyz71xyz71 Member Posts: 179
    2 PSI differencce between F/R - you must be as picky as I am!

    I did the "chalk test" this morning - color a wide stripe across the face of the tread - then drive (slow & straight) about 1/2 a block and look at the stripe. With 35 PSI in the rear tires the stripe was gone in the middle 1/3 of the tire and not even rubbed on the edges of the tread. I think 35 PSI is the bare minumum so I plan on leaving it alone for now. With 40 PSI in the front tires the chalk was gone in the middle and about 75% gone from the edge - Think I will leave the front at 40 PSI.

    I am sure some with think 35 PSI is under inflated for this size tire- if I was heading out on a long highway trip in I would add 5-10 PSI.

    Can a tire be under inflated if the load on it is not even enough to extend the contact patch all the way across the tread?
  • oldharryoldharry Member Posts: 413
    Did you know that Michelin owns Uniroyal/Goodrich. It is part of MAST (Michelin America Small Tire group)

    Harry
  • steve234steve234 Member Posts: 460
    The vehicle manufacturer's pressure recommendation applies to any brand of tire if it is the same size or within a size. You do not go by the pressure posted on the tire because that is like a rpm limit. Long term use at that will decrease the life of the tire.
  • davids1davids1 Member Posts: 411
    The panel on my door says 35 psi(cold). The sidewall of the tire says maximum pressure is 35 psi. Doesn't make any sense.
  • warfishwarfish Member Posts: 117
    Yes, I do know that Michelin owns the company that makes uniroyal, but that doesn't mean the tires are all clones. Ford also owns Jaguar but a Focus is not a Jaguar. Daimler owns Chrysler too, but a Neon is not a Mercedes.
    I stick by my belief that Michelin tires are not safe to use in the wet or the snow because the compound is made for high mileage and is too hard for good wet traction.
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Anyone know a good tread pattern, looking for both offroad and snow conditions but still good on the pavement? Thanks.

    Swoosh
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    I have a S10 ZR2, factory BFG AT tires now at 53k miles and almost a third (maybe) worn. They are doing great!
    Load range C, 3 ply side, 5 ply tread. Tires are wearing evenly and get rotated every 6k miles
  • prlady1prlady1 Member Posts: 573
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  • chevy4mechevy4me Member Posts: 203
    Are the versions of the LTX sold at Costco LT M/S,the Sears LT +4 and Sam's club ... the same quality and design?
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Just have to have them special order it. From what I understood from the tireguy in the Tires, tires, tires topic was that Sam's and Sears has essentially the same tire but markets under a different name so as to not compete with the dealers. The basic tire design is the same as the LTX M/S.
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    I have been told by several manufacturers that they make a product and change a part of the model number by maybe one digit for use with the wholesale clubs, it was to keep them from having to compete with the dealers on the "we match the price with any other advertiser..."
    I've seen it on several types of products, tires, electronics, but the items were the same in construction.
    see ya
    Rando
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    I checked a local retailer and they quoted me $1053.00 for four tires and installation. Sound like a good deal? Oh yea canadian dollars.

    Swoosh
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    $600 would be awesome $700 not so bad.
  • am70043am70043 Member Posts: 22
    LOOKING TO REPLACE STOCK P235/75-16 ON A 2002 CHEVY 1500 2WD EXT. CAB WITH LT265/75-16. IS RE-PROGRAMING NEEDED FOR THE LARGER SIZE TIRES?
    THANKS FOR ANY REPLIES.
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    It would be the same as around 675 USD for the set of four tires and installation. I am assuming that would include taking off the old tires as well. It seems like a good deal on my behalf. Will shop around a little more yet.

    Swoosh

    PS: I believe that increasing the size of tires on your truck (beyond on what the manufacture has stamped on the door facing) does mean you will have to compensate for speedometer readings. Check with your dealership or tire seller.
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    These came stock on my 2003 Dakota Club Cab Sport Plus with the #6010 GVW & handling package. They are listed by Dodge as a "on/off road tire."

    Anybody have any experience with this model Goodyear?

    Thanks in advance,
    Dusty
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Well I think I am finally going to breakdown and get a set of LTX A/T's. Dad wants a set too because he finds his steeltex a/t's bad in slushy and heavy water conditions but unfortunately they don't make the LT265/75R16 tires in an E load range, only a C range. So he might have to get C's. What does everyone think of putting a set of C's on an F250 diesel??

    Swoosh
  • akjbmwakjbmw Member Posts: 231
    Depends. ;-)

    Check what the tire of choice is rated to carry and compare this to what you will load onto the truck.

    A truck that runs empty doesn't need heavier tires. It could even run P-metrics. If there's any chance that you will be near the rated load of the C, go for the heavy tire.

    You'll only feel the road surface more when the truck is empty. 'Course, it is a truck, after all.
  • revkerrevker Member Posts: 33
    i got 4 Michellin tires LT235/75 i think are LTX from Costco, Disposal, everything was done, drove in and drove out by the time i finished shopping. all for $420 US b/c of $100 off coupon.
  • swooshmanswooshman Member Posts: 56
    Well everyone I finally got my new Michelin LTX A/T tires. Spent $200.00 each and another $100 to put them on. I am very pleased, I went for a drive today in an area that I normally had to use 4wd to climb this hill but with the new tires I scaled it in 2wd with no tire spin of any kind. :)

    Swoosh
  • minikinminikin Member Posts: 389
    Changed my tires out to LTX/ATs at 2800 miles due to really crappy performance of the SteelTex AT tires in snow/cold weather. Have been totally pleased with them for the last 17K miles in all weather from hot & dry to cold and really nasty ever since. Had considered the BFG T/As as I've run these before on off road rigs, but consider the Micheln superior for any use that doesn't really pound the sidewalls.
    -- Don
  • zr2randozr2rando Member Posts: 391
    If you are going to change tire sizes more just 1 size, you may want to check with the vehicle mfgr to see if any issues with the anti-lock brakes.
    I've been told that the AL brakes have problems with significant difference in tire size,,,just something to check...
    see ya
    Rando
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    .....factory tires on my 2003 Dakota Club Cab 4x2, LSD, have so far surprised me. First day of deer season in the Southerntier of New York we had 4 inches of fresh snow with an icy base from freezing rain the night before. Traction was excellent on unpaved seasonal roads. I did have a 620 pound ATV in the back that undoubtedly helped, but the Dakota just motored up icy hills like it was a 4x4.

    So far with the ATV off the truck these Wranglers are giving me very good traction on slushy or snow covered roads. It brakes very, very well, better than my wife's Avalon. Handling is excellent also.

    They are performing pretty much like a snow tire. So far the only negative thing I have to say about these Wranglers is they are quite noisy.

    Dusty
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