Nothing worse than a break down on a road trip, back in '93 my Brother bought a brand new Eclipse GSX and was on his way to California from Colorado and 60 miles in all the wheels locked up. He left it on the side of the road for roadside assistance and took our Parent's car instead, he was not happy about it.
Nothing worse than a break down on a road trip, back in '93 my Brother bought a brand new Eclipse GSX and was on his way to California from Colorado and 60 miles in all the wheels locked up. He left it on the side of the road for roadside assistance and took our Parent's car instead, he was not happy about it.
Hmmm Fuel filter clogged, clutch is shot or at least slipping badly, or going out on a limb part of the air intake leading to the turbo started breaking and thus allowing unmetered air into the engine thus causing a knock condition in which the computer cuts fuel.------ Take your pick for this is the best I could come up with.
Hmmm Fuel filter clogged, clutch is shot or at least slipping badly, or going out on a limb part of the air intake leading to the turbo started breaking and thus allowing unmetered air into the engine thus causing a knock condition in which the computer cuts fuel.------ Take your pick for this is the best I could come up with.
Turbo failure - that's my guess. I can't imagine why it took so long to begin posting again on this car, but I'm very interested to hear how it bit the dust. I has supposed it was wrecked, but now it looks like the car quit in some spectacular way, which is even more reason not to buy one of these things.
Turbo failure - that's my guess. I can't imagine why it took so long to begin posting again on this car, but I'm very interested to hear how it bit the dust. I has supposed it was wrecked, but now it looks like the car quit in some spectacular way, which is even more reason not to buy one of these things.
So are they pushing too far into the technological advancements with cars in the name of fuel economy or is it just a fluke that the Dart and the Mazda3 both melted down? After years of driving 20+ year old cars on trips like the one listed it was great to finally take a 'reliable' new car on them, however these posts are making me hesitant to 'upgrade' to an even newer car now.
So are they pushing too far into the technological advancements with cars in the name of fuel economy or is it just a fluke that the Dart and the Mazda3 both melted down? After years of driving 20+ year old cars on trips like the one listed it was great to finally take a 'reliable' new car on them, however these posts are making me hesitant to 'upgrade' to an even newer car now.
yeah this just isn't supposed to happen on a new car.
@jeepsrt, the 1st gen DSM's were known to have transfer case problems - although it's been so long since I've been active on DSM forums, I don't recall the actual reasoning behind it). Same thing happened to a friend of mine (granted the car was 12yo at the time). But it's a common known issue/potential issue on DSM forums.
yeah this just isn't supposed to happen on a new car.
@jeepsrt, the 1st gen DSM's were known to have transfer case problems - although it's been so long since I've been active on DSM forums, I don't recall the actual reasoning behind it). Same thing happened to a friend of mine (granted the car was 12yo at the time). But it's a common known issue/potential issue on DSM forums.
Aw, man, you hinted at the demise of the Dart 4 weeks ago, and it took this long to say anything, and still, no real report about the outcome, just this teaser. You meanie.
Aw, man, you hinted at the demise of the Dart 4 weeks ago, and it took this long to say anything, and still, no real report about the outcome, just this teaser. You meanie.
It still boggles my mind how new vehicles can have problems like these.. this and the mazda 3. If I was in the market for a new car, I would definitely not opt for the Dart, seeing all the electrical gremlins this thing has. This is based off of other long term reviews as well, aka Car and Driver.
It still boggles my mind how new vehicles can have problems like these.. this and the mazda 3. If I was in the market for a new car, I would definitely not opt for the Dart, seeing all the electrical gremlins this thing has. This is based off of other long term reviews as well, aka Car and Driver.
Last month's fuel economy report indicates whatever the problem is, it was serious enough to remove the Dart from the fleet and/or kill it outright. Should be fun to see...
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for all the Dart apologists (and - HA! - owners) to weigh in on how wonderful this POS really is...
Last month's fuel economy report indicates whatever the problem is, it was serious enough to remove the Dart from the fleet and/or kill it outright. Should be fun to see...
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for all the Dart apologists (and - HA! - owners) to weigh in on how wonderful this POS really is...
all posts deleted from the blogs, now all seem to double post. Get with it Edmunds, reporting the issues doesn't seem to have any effect. all posts deleted from the blogs, now all seem to double post. Get with it Edmunds, reporting the issues doesn't seem to have any effect. all posts deleted from the blogs, now all seem to double post. Get with it Edmunds, reporting the issues doesn't seem to have any effect.
@nukedetroit2 So kiddo you've come back even after the community pretty much stopped caring all that much about your posts besides hitting the downvote button on the way to the newest comment. ----------------------------------------------------------- As
@nukedetroit, too many things went wrong with this car so I won't defend it. but you seem to take great joy in it's misfortune, my main objection to your often repeated derogatory posts. If it turns out to be the failure of a vendor supplied part, do yo
Having followed the various Dart forums on & off since I was shopping this car last year, the culprit here has to be the transmission (DDCT).
Actual hardware breakdown reports in the forums were rare. The poor ownership experience was mainly due to how it performed. My summary of ownership issues reported would be: 70% throttle programming, 20% shift programming, 10% hardware issues.
There was a TSB for flashing the ECU to revise the tranny programming. But some owners reported that the reflash caused check-engine lights & other gremlins under certain circumstances. On the other hand, everyone who bought an aftermarket throttle boosters said the car drove 100% better.
Regardless, I would be hard-pressed to buy a car with this transmission.
noburgers - Thank you for your considered and well-reasoned reply. I do indeed take "great joy" in this latest - and rather indisputable - evidence that the Dart is the single worst new automobile currently for sale in the United States, simply because I've been saying that right from the start. Despite the bleatings of unfortunate owners (who have no one to blame for their decisions to buy Darts but themselves) and even the rather lame attempts by Edmunds staff to cast a fine polish upon this piece of [non-permissible content removed], it has been made repeatedly and abundantly clear that no one with an IQ above 80 should ever see a Dart - a product cobbled together by two of history's least competent automakers - and say, "that's a car I should spend my money on." And now, as I predicted, we've reached a moment where not even Edmunds will be able to spin this one - the car is dead, or at least out of the fleet, because the Dart is garbage. That needs to be shouted in the faces of the masses too stupid to make a reasoned decision themselves. Even a Daewoo Cruze is a better choice in this segment; that's how pitiful this purported "car" is.
@nukedetroit I have to say is one of your best posts overall mostly because it doesn't sound like a angry 12 year old. ---------------------- Now a question for you assuming that the Dart is indeed dead and out of the LT fleet where will you go next? Will
I think what hybris and others are saying, with great politeness and care, is that you can comment on the flaws of an automobile without being a raging [non-permissible content removed] about it. But every troll already knows this, so there's no point in explaining it further.
There isn't, and yet you wasted valuable seconds (likely hours, for hybris - he doesn't seem too bright) hunting-and-pecking in vain. It ain't my job to protect your delicate sensibilities. I've shouted from the beginning that this car is [non-permissible content removed]. I have been proven undeniably correct. I will gleefully continue shouting that FACT whether you like it or not. Suck it up, buttercup.
Roger that, gslippy. One could chalk it up to Edmunds being understaffed (almost certainly true), but even if that is the case, the impression is that they simply don't give a [non-permissible content removed] about the readers.
If Fiasler's smart - pause for laughter - the company is lobbying Edmunds hard to take another Dart for a second year-long evaluation. That car will be HEAVILY vetted by the QC team, and fitted with the 2.4L/6M combo. "See? We finally got it right... or at least as close to "right" as our mongrel company can attain."
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@jeepsrt, the 1st gen DSM's were known to have transfer case problems - although it's been so long since I've been active on DSM forums, I don't recall the actual reasoning behind it). Same thing happened to a friend of mine (granted the car was 12yo at the time). But it's a common known issue/potential issue on DSM forums.
@jeepsrt, the 1st gen DSM's were known to have transfer case problems - although it's been so long since I've been active on DSM forums, I don't recall the actual reasoning behind it). Same thing happened to a friend of mine (granted the car was 12yo at the time). But it's a common known issue/potential issue on DSM forums.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for all the Dart apologists (and - HA! - owners) to weigh in on how wonderful this POS really is...
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for all the Dart apologists (and - HA! - owners) to weigh in on how wonderful this POS really is...
all posts deleted from the blogs, now all seem to double post. Get with it Edmunds, reporting the issues doesn't seem to have any effect.
all posts deleted from the blogs, now all seem to double post. Get with it Edmunds, reporting the issues doesn't seem to have any effect.
If it turns out to be the failure of a vendor supplied part, do yo
Actual hardware breakdown reports in the forums were rare. The poor ownership experience was mainly due to how it performed. My summary of ownership issues reported would be: 70% throttle programming, 20% shift programming, 10% hardware issues.
There was a TSB for flashing the ECU to revise the tranny programming. But some owners reported that the reflash caused check-engine lights & other gremlins under certain circumstances.
On the other hand, everyone who bought an aftermarket throttle boosters said the car drove 100% better.
Regardless, I would be hard-pressed to buy a car with this transmission.
(Source: http://www.dodge-dart.org/forum/dodge-dart-transmission/)