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There is a law against speeding, but not passing on the right side
Now there you are wrong. There are MANY laws against passing on the right. And there should be because it is illegal and dangerous.
Much like driving in the passing lane is illegal. Even in your state.
A lot more people get speeding tickets than anything else because it is an easy ticket to write. All a cop has to do is sit on the side of the road reading USA Today until his radar unit whistles loud enough.
Bill
Perhaps the state that Kinley drives in lacks those signs: Keep Right Except to Pass, or if they have them, he must think it doesn't apply to him.
In CA it is the law that you can pass on the right, although there are many signs: Keep Right Except to Pass.
"Don’t drive slowly in the left (fast) lane. Avoid using the fast lane except for the brief time it takes to pass another driver. Driving slowly in the fast lane frustrates other drivers."
"Mobility and Gridlock - Accident Avoidance
How Fast Is Traffic Moving?"
"Going slower than other cars or stopping all of a sudden can be just as bad as speeding. It tends to make cars bunch up behind you and it could cause a rear-end crash. If many cars are pulling out to pass you, move into the right lane and let them pass."
It does no good.
He defends left lane travel at the speed limit.
It's all been chopped, diced, stewed, restewed, served, reserved, and recycled.
Just let it go....
I would have voted for him!
I'm not sure on the laws of LLC but if I did it purposely and someone passed me unsafely on the right which caused a fatal accident, I would feel partly responsible.
The speed limit is just that - the limit of speed you are free to travel. Using the cliches of "courtesy" and "discipline" could also apply to the high speed weaving cowboy. You will be cited for speeding before I get pulled over for LLC'ing. So, control yourself & not the guy you are behind. He's going as fast as the law allows. Frequently when I'm LLC'ing I'm in a line of cars ahead of me all doing the same speed. Do you expect every car in front of you to move for just you? Ridiculous!
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Your ABOVE INTERPRETATION of the law would make an interesting ROAD SIGN !!!! If it were true! But your intrepretation is NOT the law!
Again, Keep Right Except to Pass, is the law. Again, folks like you is one reason why I pass on the right! I would also submit that if you LLC in front of a Highway Patrol he would let you know and if you ignored him like you do other drivers, pull you over. But I would submit you probably don't make it a habit of frequently LLC ing in front the Highway Patrol.!?
LLC ing and doing it while in a bunch is very very dangerous! Also by your own admission doing it frequently, increases the chances and incidences for DANGER. You would think a smart law abiding citizen like you would know that !? That is why for example, DRAG RACING is illegal, read "dangerous" also. When you are side by side or flowing in a bunch you don't have much of an out especially if a passive aggressive meets an aggressive driver !!
I can understand that you don't like those who you perceive to be aggressive drivers, but on the other hand the shoe is on the other foot when it comes to passive aggressive drivers.
You agree that it is ok to camp in the LL at the speed limit.
In Illinois, the speed limit for trucks in rural interstates is 60, IIRC, but for cars it is 65.
So using your logic, it would be legal for a truck travelling at the speed limit to travel at 60 in left lane, right next to another truck doing the same speed.
Legal, perhaps, considerate, heck no!
TB
So what? So have I, on the left, on the right, when they were going app 100-125 in a 65 mph zone. This really doesn't change the law, the convention, or the fact that it is positively proven and enforced in Euro Autobahn's that is absolutel works!! Not doing it does gum up the works.
2. "Keep right except to pass".
They are both laws. Speeders are breaking the first law. Someone sitting in the left lane is breaking the other law. The first one is enforced more frequently that the second, primarily as a revenue generator and not a safety measure. But does that make the second law any less valid?
As far as the inherent dangers of passing on the right - If I check my mirror to move over to the left lane, I have far fewer obstacles blocking my vision to the left...If I am passing on your right, and you have the urge to change back over to the right lane (after all, the law says keep right except to pass), you have to look in a mirror that has special optics on it to help eliminate some of the blind spot...because you do have a bigger blind spot to the right. And looking over your right shoulder finds a portion of the car body blocking your view of any traffic that might be on your right.
The law is the law - speeding is one "wrong". Staying in the left lane is another "wrong" Last I read - two wrongs still don't make a right.
Well, then that's not LLC, at least not by my definition. I think most ppl would agree here that LLC is voluntarily driving slow in the LL while cars are waiting behind you. Obviously if there is a car in front of you, then you're not LLCamping.
I must admit, however, that one of my big peeves is a driver that tailgates me in the left even though the true LLC is in front of me or several cars in front of me.
As I am constantly stereotyped by my car, I'd like to thank you for proving stereotypes don't always hold water.
;-P
I agree...or when the traffic is so heavy that no one is LLC'ing. Some people can't see past their noses. These are the same ones who have knee-jerk reactions to a couple car length opening to the right, move over there only to find traffic slowing again, and, since they're now slightly ahead of you think they have the right of way to jack back in front of you in the left lane, only to find themselves one car length from where they started, causing a chain reaction of brake lights behind them as everyone has to readjust their following distances. And they don't seem to learn as you'll see them repeat this several times.
All you have to do is look ahead about a hundred yards and you can save yourself a whole lot of grief.
"Never try to teach a pig to dance. You are doomed to fail... and you will annoy the pig." Some battles you just can't win. Some people's minds cannot be changed.
Until the police begin enforcing lane dicipline, this country will suffer from... American traffic.
-james
That's just flat-out funny.
Want me to pull up the law that says it's illegal to drive in the passing lane in Washington State?
Or do you just pick and choose laws that serve your needs?
3++ years later this is still very amusing.
Of course, in other countries (Europe) Kinley would have rightfully had his license revoked.
You have to go 100mph on a Motorway in the UK to get a 30-day Ban. Or drive in the passing lane and get caught blocking traffic.
Of course, they do have the safest roads in the western world.
Bill
Good point expressed without immature frustration.
Now people, come up with a reason to stay right that does NOT enhance or aid and abeit speeding.
When you drive within the speed limit, there really isn't a problem with a car in front in any lane also driving the maximum speed the law maintains.
"Never try to teach a pig to dance. You are doomed to fail... and you will annoy the pig."
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I heard this one differently: "Never get in a fight with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."
So, ignoring my own advice, I'll take a stab at Kinley's question. Any number of times I've been passed by an emergency vehicle (hwy patrol, ambulance, etc) when I either barely knew or had no idea they were coming, due to a 40-50 mph speed differential (I'm doing 60-70ish, the trooper well over 100) and road noise, radio, etc. Invariably, there's gonna be an LLCer who doesn't notice the emergency vehicle and thus forces him to slow down dramatically. If you use the left lane as it was intended (STAY RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS) the emergency vehicle driver's job is easier and saver, and that ambulance just might get your mom/dad/brother/wife/kid to the hospital in time, or that trooper just might get that drunk driver off the road before he kills someone.
There you go, Kinley - a legitimate reason to stay right without feeling wronged.
-Jason
This means also that you can go 45 mph in a 65 mph zone and it is legal in the fast lane also. (under ideal condtions, ) But you know if you do an average speed, you could probably dip to 40 mph.
I actually did this once on a freeway designed for traffic at 80-85 mph. When then President Clinton came to this area for some fund raising trip an advanced Highway Patrol 7 ship escort, scouting the planned route pulled into the passing lane. Seeing them in the rear view mirror I decelerated to 45 (55 was the speed limit at that time, meaning I could have gone 35-40 and still have been legal. One at a time all seven dutifully passed me. Did it create a jam? You betcha, should I have moved right YUP? Did I get a ticket? NO!
Other times I have had Highway Patrol blister by (in the passing lane btwn 110-115 mph) and it was absolutely no big deal.
Upshot!!? Keep right except to pass !!
"RULES OF THE ROAD"
""Passing - On a road with two lanes traveling in the same direction, the left-hand lane is intended to be used for passing slower vehicles. On roads with more than two lanes traveling in the same direction, use the right lane for slower speeds, the middle lanes for higher speeds and the left-hand lane for passing only. If you pass on the right, the other driver may have difficulty seeing you and might suddenly change lanes in front of you. Never pass on the shoulder either, whether it is paved or not. Other drivers will never expect you to be there and may pull off the road without looking.""
No frustration .....just pointing out some facts from an authority I thought you'd pay more attention than us commoners.
Now people, come up with a reason to stay right that does NOT enhance or aid and abeit speeding.
Easily found.
1) It is the law. See above, even in your state. You have yet to respond to this.
2) It keeps the passing lane free for emergency vehicles as shown above.
3) Whether you approve of speeding or not, proper lane useage does promote a smooth flow of traffic and prevents rolling traffic Jams. Here's an example:
I travel to Lakeland, FL from Orlando frequently. I take I-4 and it is a road with heavy traffic. Frequently someone will block the passing lane at, say, 65-70mph which is the posted speed.
However, the 85th percentile speed on this road is about 78mph, and the FHP's tolerance level is set at 80mph.
What will happen is the left lane blocker will create a substantial (10+++) car backup and cause the speed on the road to drop down to below 60mph at the end of the backup, often as low as 45mph. This in turn causes a speed differential, in heavy traffic, of 35mph or so. Furthermore, as the LLC continues to block traffic, several things invariably happen..
A) An ACTUAL Jam occurs (Local TV station did a story on this in conjunction with the DOT who is pushing for stiffer penalties for LLCing)
In the meantime the LLC is annoying many people around them and is acting in an exceptionally inconsiderate manner.
3) Common Courtesy/Respect for Others. Whether or not you agree with others, it is the equivalent of wearing a KKK T-Shirt into a Black neighborhood and blaming the inability of others to control their emotions when people get upset at you.
Bill
The second kinley actually pulled out to pass a car to his right -- then SLOWED DOWN (his brake lights flashed) to proceed at the same speed as that car. I could see him waving at them, repeatedly; apparently he was a friend of theirs and thought it would be cute to wave at them over and over while traffic stacked up behind him. Finally somebody got frustrated and laid on the horn, and after a few moments he sped up and moved over.
Kinley, you can sit there and spout your "road rage is caused only when you choose to respond to another driver's actions" all day. The FACT is that you are wrong. The FACT is that your actions cause traffic snarls, unsafe driving, and road rage.
Let me address a question to Kinley (which I am sure he will dodge as he dodges all questions that might weaken his position). What does it cost you to move over? How much effort does it really take you to twitch the steering wheel and move over into the empty lane to your right, thus solving several problems at once? Whether the other drivers are "choosing" to get angry isn't the issue -- why do you insist on doing something that DOES cause anger, if it does you no harm to just move over?
cheers,
Phil
I suspect that you do and your logic is that since there are no specific speed limits on the slopes, only protocol based on courtesy, that you follow protocol.
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
The summary says (and references a list below it):
"You may use the left lane (when there is more than one lane in your direction) to pass. You may or may not be able to use the left lane when not passing. A few states permit use of the left lane only for passing or turning left. These have "yes" in the "keep right" column. Six states require drivers to move right if they are blocking traffic in the left lane. Most states follow the Uniform Vehicle Code and require drivers to keep right if they are going slower than the normal speed of traffic (regardless of the speed limit; see below). A few states either do not require vehicles to keep right, or permit vehicles moving at the speed limit to drive in the left lane regardless of traffic conditions."
A couple highlights from the Washington state law:
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway (it then lists exceptions, none of which is a belief that you are helping to enforce speed limits by hogging the left lane).
(4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic.
NOTES:
Rules of court: Monetary penalty schedule -- IRLJ 6.2.
Legislative intent -- 1986 c 93: "It is the intent of the legislature, in this 1985 [1986] amendment of RCW 46.61.100, that the left-hand lane on any state highway with two or more lanes in the same direction be used primarily as a passing lane." [1986 c 93 § 1.]
Finally, here is a link to a site "designed to inform the driving public about proper use of the left hand lane."
http://www.keeprightpassleft.net/stickers.html
It sells bumper stickers that say "KEEP RIGHT PASS LEFT" for just three dollars, which I will gladly purchase for Kinley if he will affix it to his Mustang:)
Ooooo boy, it raises my pulse just thinking about it.
Comments.. please.. I would love them.
Why does that bother you that someone may choose to drive faster(dont confuse with unsafer)than you? Is it solely because speeding IS illegal? I suppose you have never gotten away with a "California stop" either.
"Fewer tickets are issued for left lane violations than for speeding. Ergo, LLCing is not as bad a sin as speeding."
So not keeping right(illegal)is not as bad as speeding(illegal)because fewer tickets are issued for the former?
It sounds like he is justifying frequency of citations with degrees of legality. Both are illegal, period.
Perhaps a more apropo sticker would be: PLEASE hit me I could use the money, cause I sure as hell aint going to move out of your way you speeding scofflaw!
And now it's 40+ messages of the same old, same old.
P.S. And Kinley, like the pig, likes it.
Let's take the next off ramp and get away from the minefield.
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