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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,120
    They do say in driving 101 that it is advisable to speed up a bit when changing lanes. Find the next open spot ahead and speed up into it.

    I've never understood people's need to stop traffic in one lane simply so they can change lanes.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD
  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 684
    They do say in driving 101 that it is advisable to speed up a bit when changing lanes. Find the next open spot ahead and speed up into it.

    I've never understood people's need to stop traffic in one lane simply so they can change lanes.


    You missed my point. I was referring to the situation of someone camped in your blind spot. That assumes similar speeds. Sometimes it's a matter of needing to move left to pass a slower car... ability to speed up is a bit limited there. And there have been times when the BSC/LLC will speed up to disallow the lane change, but not complete the pass.

    I try to keep moving at a consistent speed as much as traffic conditions allow. But too often people take that as an affront, and feel the need to race for the open spot.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,120
    I hereby condemn BSC. I think BSC and LLC are 1,000 X more dangerous than even the speeders in the top 1%.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    edited May 2013
    Easy drive to work this morning, other than an idiot with no lights (streelights still on).

    The drive home, not so nice. Started off with a woman in an Odyssey trying to turn left out of a parking lot, onto a busy street, where she wanted the far right turn lane (across 4 lanes). She couldn't do it cleanly, so she just pulled out and blocked a couple lanes. Then got behind an Outback merging onto a highway - I stayed right as I was exiting immediately, Outback merges left at the typical 43mph, I move by on the right, Subiedouche leans over and gives me the finger :confuse: ...typical passive-aggressive faux outdoorsman. Not long after, several cars ahead saw a rental T&C make a right turn from the left lane, onto a street I'd also be choosing. I scoot by on the left going about 45 in a 40, he was going maybe 25 (seriously) But by the time I was a few seconds past, he had sped up and was pacing me at about 50, genius. He later dropped back again and vanished. Also saw an older woman in a MDX following way too far behind traffic, being passed on the right, and a tiny girl in a Versa who required a honk to get moving on green.

    Then while on foot, encountered a newbie looking crosswalk crowder woman in a Maxima, phone yapping light running airhead in a big late model Suburban, smarmy greybeard crosswalk crowder light runner in an SL55, and a texting Jetta driving princess who only moved on green when I yelled and motioned at her from the sidewalk.

    It sure is good licenses are so easy to get/buy.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    edited May 2013
    Started off with a woman in an Odyssey trying to turn left out of a parking lot, onto a busy street, where she wanted the far right turn lane (across 4 lanes). She couldn't do it cleanly, so she just pulled out and blocked a couple lanes.

    Yeah, well that is an ordinary woman driver of an Ody. Too bad you can't be in our area. Most Mercedes Bens drivers would be left far behind by my wife driving one of her vehicles, an Ody. What I see in Mercedes cars is mostly "seasoned" citizen drivers, and, sometimes blocking the road.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    edited May 2013
    MBs tend to have more conservative/"experienced" drivers and driving styles than other highlines, esp. BMW/Audi/Infiniti, which in my area seem to attract the intentionally jerky. I am still not convinced that BMWs come standard with turn signals, nor anything that aids in parking.

    I remember several years ago on I5, seeing a late model S-class in the middle-left lane, going about 20 under the flow of traffic. Little old man driving.
  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 684
    MBs tend to have more conservative/"experienced" drivers and driving styles than other highlines, esp. BMW/Audi/Infiniti, which in my area seem to attract the intentionally jerky. I am still not convinced that BMWs come standard with turn signals, nor anything that aids in parking.

    The worst ones I have seen (going strictly anecdotally, and maybe it's skewed because if you see a brand rarely enough, it only takes a couple to make you think they all drive that way) have been Audis.

    Although the last two people that came really close to killing me were in a Chrysler 300 and a Cadillac.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    edited May 2013
    If you watch Top Gear, no doubt you have seen Clarkson pine about Audi replacing BMW for drivers with a certain panache. It's not untrue.

    Funny that yesterday's commute was torture, today's was a breeze - no real complaints at all. On foot, no crosswalk crowders, but did seem to notice a lot of phone yappers - once again most likely to be in large (and more dangerous to others) vehicles.
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,120
    In a change from talking about the inconsiderate, I thought I'd mention the cars that were driven by the best and most considerate drivers outside of an Audi club member driving event.

    1. Toyota Corolla Sport model on a curvy windy road coming back from Julian towards San Diego. Upper middle almost old aged man kept up an EXCELLENT pace considering his vehicle for a fun weekend twisty run.

    2. BMW 3 Series on a road going up towards Julian from San Diego. I think it might have been a lady and she kept a very good pace on a fun twisty road.

    3. Lotus - Had to go almost all out to keep up with this guy, fun times on the best back roads near Palomar Mountain in Southern California.

    4. Driver over a decade ago in a Mustang that moved forward and over a bit when he realized traffic was coming to a stop for no reason on the freeway and the guy behind him might have taken his eyes off the road for a second or two overtaxing his '03 Accord's meager brakes. The extra car space worked wonders to avoid a minor fender bender.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    Considerate drivers - hmmm...I am happy when someone simply wakes up and moves into an empty right lane when I come up behind them. Not unusual, really.

    Nothing really bad on the drive today, but was annoyed by an airhead in a Lexus RX who slowed way down a block before her turn, and then turned at ~3mph. Also saw a woman in a 2010+ S-class, going around a blind corner, fast, wobbly, no visible signal, leaned over into the passenger seat - maybe she spilled her Starbucks. And I want to ride a motorcycle around these simps?
  • jjackson12jjackson12 Posts: 46
    Not trying to pick a fight, just gently reminding the LLC that they shouldn't be in the left lane, capped with an exclamation mark of full throttle acceleration as soon as they move right.

    You could also try flashing your high beams a couple of hundred times.

    That will teach them a lesson.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla VirginiaPosts: 707
    The lack of repercussions is precisely why so many drive so poorly.

    I favor cattle-catchers mounted on the front of cars; that way, should someone not recognize the 'slower traffic keep right' ideal... one can simply ram the offending driver off the road (given an appropriate warning, such as a flash of the high-beams, and time to respond).

    You'd quickly see the errant behavior end, as there would actually *BE* repercussions for doing so. Much in the same way that speeders are pulled over by police, ticketed, and points assessed on their record.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    A small car-to-car missile or some kind of EMP probe would do the job, too.

    I was out today, got behind a couple of women in an early 00s STS - so slow. I had to honk to get them to exceed 20. Going downhill, would hit the brakes when they got within 5 of the limit. Would tap the brakes everytime an oncoming car passed by. And the driver didn't even appear to be very old, nor a newbie. Finally turned - signaled two blocks beforehand before rounding the corner at 4mph. Seriously. Why are people like this?
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,120
    edited May 2013
    Finally turned - signaled two blocks beforehand before rounding the corner at 4mph. Seriously. Why are people like this?

    Well, you can start by firing their driving instructor, and firing their DMV driver's license tester.

    Their trainer should have taught them better, and the driver's license test should fail such shenanigans.

    Speaking of which, doesn't the DMW usually only require teenagers to spend just 6 hours driving with an instructor in the vehicle? If your an adult suddenly learning how to drive correctly is no longer important and zero hours are required I believe. All you have to do is get lucky and make 25 good guesses on a multiple choice exam, and avoid breaking any obvious laws during a 5 minute drive around the block.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD
  • hammerheadhammerhead Posts: 907
    I have 2 kids in Driver's Ed now. 6 hours of instructed drive included in the course, but they must also have a minimum of 50 hours of practice driving (documented by parents) before they qualify for the drive test for their license. Drive tests are now administered by the driving schools, not the DOL. Pass the class, pass the drive test, get your hours in, take all the paperwork to DOL & smile for the camera.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    edited May 2013
    Yeah, here the testing is privatized - which is probably more efficient, but I bet opens the door for potential shenanigans - ie: spend enough, get a license. I suspect it won't help conditions on the road.

    And that's right, IIRC at 18, one can simply pass the written and 15 minute driving test, and that's it - you're free to drive an Accent or a Veyron or a 42ft behemoth motorhome. It at least needs to be as difficult as getting a motorcycle endorsement. Those are also privatized now, but from the motorcycle instructors I have met, they won't just pass someone for the hell of it.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    edited May 2013
    Kids here always seem to flunk at least the first test and often the second, and often for no rhyme or reason.

    That costs the family another $100 to retest, most of which goes in the tester's pocket. Quite the scam and it really hurts the family when you live in a place where there's no good jobs.

    My neighbor is retired DMV; back in his day he'd ask the parents if their kid could drive (everybody knows everybody). If Dad say yes, the kid would get the license - no test. :)
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,383
    edited May 2013
    Drive tests are now administered by the driving schools, not the DOL. Pass the class, pass the drive test, get your hours in, take all the paperwork to DOL & smile for the camera.

    I've mentioned this before, but I sent my son to the two day teen school at the BMW Performance Center as well as to the BMW CCA Foundation's one day Street Survival course(which let him experience how his own car handled in extreme situations). The Street Survival course is a huge bargain at just $75.

    Kids here always seem to flunk at least the first test and often the second, and often for no rhyme or reason.

    My son flunked the first time because he bumped one of the cones in the parallel parking test. That's totally understandable; hundreds of kids die every year while attempting that dangerous procedure...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • slorenzenslorenzen Posts: 694
    "hundreds of kids die every year while attempting that dangerous procedure... "

    You owe me a keyboard...mine has coffee on it now...
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 23,917
    edited May 2013
    Construction zone: I was at an unfamiliar ramp onto an overpass on a major back highway where they built an overpass instead of the ground level stoplight intersection with US Route 40. They have a stop sign on a ramp at a 90 degree turn that's on the uphill part of the overpass. Apparently they didn't want to buy more land to build a real ramp.

    I looked, gauged the oncoming Honda to be far enough away in a 45 mph construction zone and accelerated. But not full throttle which would have wound rapidly through my lower 2 gears and had me moving.

    I didn't realize that the uphill slope would cut my acceleration along with the AC compressor that was on low volume. So the oncoming Element had to slow down for me as I was doing about 40 by the time he caught up to me. I didn't accelerate full throttle at first underestimating the slope AND I didn't accelerate at first enough to cut off the AC with the throttle position.

    The Element tailgated me at 5 feet behind up over the top of the overpass and down the other side at 45 mph. The speed limit of the road was 50 in that area normally. If I'd been in my 98 leSabre, I might have had to brake for a dog or cat on the road, but I'm not ready to trade this 03 leSabre.

    So I was the inconsiderate boob who didn't just wait. But I decided I was no longer the problem and the tailgating Element was the problem. Of course he zoomed around me since I was only doing 50 in the high semi traffic zone at the I-70 service area. The driver was doing nothing to mitigate the effects of my driving error.

    You really don't want to tailgate someone with the company name on the doors of your company vehicle. Maybe he thought gray hair meant I wouldn't be able to see the sign. But I've spent lots of money from me and Mediscare getting new eyes last summer. I called his company asking what this guy's problem was other than I slowed him down by about 10 seconds in his arrival to the I-70 ramp to Columbus from London. I admonished the manager about how that kind of driving appears to the general public and how I really would like to have a replacement car for my 98 leSabre and I wished I had been driving it. I believe I also mentioned road rage as an adjective for the 5-foot tailgating.

    I was inconsiderate. I am a recovering inconsiderate driver. This is the first step of the 12-step process. :)

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    I fear something different in my area, ie; you have a lot of money but are a crap driver - just pay me enough, and I will pass you. With some of the shenanigans I see from high end cars with newbie looking drivers, my theory isn't without merit.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    Was on foot today, saw a cop driving behind a bicyclist. I didn't see what happened, but the cop announced over the intercom "if you are going to ride on the street, you must follow traffic laws!". I laughed out loud.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    The truck from Edmonton on its way to Vancouver, Washington was carrying a drilling machine which was too tall unless the truck moved over toward the center of the two lanes., which the driver wanted to do. But because a truck was passing him on his left, he could not move over - and I suspect he therefore struck one of the diagonal braces across the top of the bridge entrance. (The brace above the outside lane is curved to be lower by design.)

    The at fault trucker was hemned in by another Southbound trucker traveling adjacently. IMO, the other trucker pinning the Canadian truck to the outside lane is most inconsiderate.

    Yet, the Canadian trucker should have slowed down on approach to the bridge and given himself enough time to occupy the center lane of the two lanes going his way.

    Always look out for the truckers & yield to them for safety. ;)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 23,917
    edited May 2013
    >Always look out for the truckers & yield to them for safety.

    I see the wink icon, but I have to respond to the other meaning of that statement.

    For a few years here in this greater area we had signs up showing that the car driver should not cut in front of truck after passing. They had to go out an unknown greater distance before moving back into the lane in front of the semi.

    In Kentucky, they even ran (run now) public service commercials from the highway department to not cut in front of trucks because it causes them to get into accidents. The signs have disappeared from where I used to see them on I-75 in Ohio. I don't know if KY still has the signs. \

    But why is it okay for truckers to cut in front of cars with as little as 8 feet spare before they wag their trailer back over, but cars cutting over with much greater distances to spare in front of trucks causes accidents? Gimmeabreak.

    In KY they actually used a distance radar in a trap truck to measure how closely autos pulled over in front of the truck and then gave them tickets.

    I give truckers courtesy and about 60% respond. I find FedEx semis and dual trailer drivers to be very good drivers in this part of Ohio. We have a terminal near I-70 and I-75 junction, so there are a lot of them.

    As for the I-5 semi driver: that's why God invented brakes--he should have stopped instead of entering the bridge. However, I find a few of the semi drivers traveling resist using their brakes to slow down for anything, even when they are exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla VirginiaPosts: 707
    edited May 2013
    However, I find a few of the semi drivers traveling resist using their brakes to slow down for anything, even when they are exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph.

    Why would anyone brake to slow down by 5 mph?!? Just take your foot of the gas pedal and gently coast slower.

    Brakes are meant for stopping... killing speed to avoid accidents, collisions, and to keep oneself from flying off the road, *NOT* for the minute by minute regulation of your cruising speed!!!

    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Everytime I see drivers like this (tapping their brakes every 30 seconds or so), or those that comment in the same vein... all I can think of is a scene from Happy Gilmore.

    Happy Gilmore - Just Tap it in...
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    I see you've driven on I5 between Seattle and Olympia - brake tapper city. They do it when the road turns, too.

    Locally, I think turn signals have gone away for the holiday weekend. Some appalling driving out there yesterday and today - random unsignalled turns and turns from the wrong lane galore. I also notice the city has put up a sign at a major intersection reminding free-turners that the U-turn lane on the cross street has the right of way when the free turn lane has red. I've seen many a close call there, esp by the new to motoring set who we so dearly need.

    Got to use the horn yesterday, couldn't hold it in. Stuck behind a Camry going 25 in a 35, crawling, then at the last second gets into a turn lane with no signal. I hit the horn, driver glares at me. If only I had a car-to-car missile launcher.

    Also lots of stupid light sequencing, as city traffic volumes are light for the long weekend. I saw a late model Jag XK stop and go on a red, bravo, someone else who is fed up with the negligent "engineering" of local traffic controls.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Posts: 907
    Brake tapping: Often caused by left foot braking, with the foot resting on the brake pedal. My dad was infamous (and infuriating) for this!

    The truck I drive at work has engine braking (aka 'Jake Brake') - if it's activated, and you take your foot off the gas to decelerate, it triggers the brake lights. Might be what's happening with the trucks in your example as well.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 23,917
    >Brakes are meant for stopping... killing speed to avoid accidents, collisions, and to keep oneself from flying off the road, *NOT* for the minute by minute regulation of your cruising speed!!!

    That doesn't even make sense in rereading of my post. The word "tapping" is not mentioned. Too much caffeine?

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    So, is this "inconsiderate", "safe" or "reckless"?

    Got on an interstate under reconstruction yesterday afternoon to go east. Had considered an alternative route but decided to take a chance on getting on the interstate and usual heavy Sunday/holiday traffic. Two lanes each way with trucks, semis required to use left lane.

    On the ramp and just before merge noticed a huge, huge backup of vehicles from the west, which would be behind me. Merged into the right lane just behind a black limo with livery license plate. A semi was next to me in left lane and another semi just in front of him.

    For next 8 miles, 8 MILES, the semi drivers and the limo driver drove exactly the construction zone speed limit. Safe and legal drivers no doubt. With the limo driver exactly placing the rear of his/her car at the front bumper of the trailing semi, for 8 MILES. Noticed no traffic, vehicles in front of this blocking trio. Finally, the construction situation changed a little and allowed getting around both the limo and each semi.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Posts: 907
    Which is exactly what would happen if everyone was a slave to the speed limit, as some have advocated on these pages. Good reason not to be.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    edited May 2013
    Should have added more details. There were absolutely none, zero, nada construction workers anywhere to be seen on this Sunday, Memorial Day National Holiday weekend. No rain. Pavement was dry. Sky was overcast, but not somewhat bright. No glare. Hardly any wind. Just about ideal driving conditions.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,934
    If they want to stick to the speed limit (here, the work zone limit) and there's more than one lane, they should stay right. Pretty simple.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    Not mine, my brother's newish Odyssey. We split up today after hanging out all week in Croton on Hudson NY. We headed toward Buffalo and they got just into Vermont across from Albany NY when someone "without brakes" plowed into them. No one hurt, but they had bikes on the back that got trashed in addition to the entire hatch - blew the back window out, etc.

    Do brakes really "fail" that often anymore? My money's on a cell phone.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,323
    was up in Ithaca NY this weekend for my son's graduation. He lives on one of the (many) steep streets heading downtown (man, your legs get a workout on those hills!)

    anyway, parked in front of his apartment (on the uphill side) a bit behind an old saturn wagon. Come out about an hour later, to find the saturn mushed up against my front bumper. turns out, the girl in front of that car (with a 2007 Milan) tried to get out of her parking spot, and managed to back into the Saturn hard enough to wrench it sideways and push it into my car (wife's 7 MO RDX).

    thankfully, looked like it only bent my license plate and did not other damage (there is a little pod that sticks out to hold the front plate). So, pretty much no big deal. I back the car up as far as I can and we go out to dinner.

    When I get back and am loading the car, the girl that owns the Saturn comes back, and I explain what happened to her (there was a card on her windshield from the cop that wrote up the report). But, it has a stick and as she was trying to pull out, she was so bad at it that she managed to back into me again. Same spot, more damage to plate. So, I back up in front of the driveway to get out of her way, determine that there was no additional damage, and she finally manages to roar out into the road.

    it was a long, long day.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,323
    Steve, that is why I like the hitch mounted rack. between that and the heavy duty hitch, it stops a lot of impact to the van.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    Well, I don't know much about hitches, but their carrier is a hitch mounted one. I assume it's an OEM Honda one but not sure. I'm guessing their Yakima bike carrier is trashed too, and Yak racks aren't cheap.

    His advice to me tonight? Drive fast so no one can hit you from behind.

    Not a good weekend for cars, but major congrats to your kiddo!
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla VirginiaPosts: 707
    However, I find a few of the semi drivers traveling resist using their brakes to slow down for anything, even when they are exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph.

    By saying that you have a "few semi drivers that resist using their brakes to slow down for anything, even when they are exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph"... then the converse is that most semi drivers DO use their brakes to slow down for anything, even when they are exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph.

    That's what got my goat.
  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 684
    That costs the family another $100 to retest, most of which goes in the tester's pocket. Quite the scam and it really hurts the family when you live in a place where there's no good jobs.

    How can you say there are no good jobs there? It sounds like being a driver's license examiner around those parts is a good job. ;)
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    edited May 2013
    Good testing price, but all the families had to move elsewhere for the jobs so there's only a half dozen kids around to test every year. :shades:

    Had to drive on my nemesis highway yesterday, the 401 in Ontario. Luckily I only had to go a mile to cut over to another road. The news last night was all about the complete blockage of the 401 east of Toronto due to an accident. My general impression of Ontario drivers hasn't improved any over the years; lots of speeders and tailgaters that belies the "polite" Canadians rubic.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    No remarkably bad scenes today, but there seemed to be an abundance of yappers and texters - the majority of the latter seeming to be the fairer set.

    Oh, did see a Range Rover Sport pull out of a Whole Foods parking lot (naturally) and block 2 lanes of traffic trying to get into a desired turn lane. It received several well deserved honks. Never a cop around that place...
  • Steve EliasSteve Elias Posts: 2,187
    edited May 2013
    bravo from me and the truckers and other lane-disciplined drivers, andre3!

    also i bet you have noticed how the traffic flow opens up after the Left Lane Controllers have been given the prescribed treatment.
    For the ones that will just stay behind you in the left lane, you can just stay ahead of them at minimum highway speed 45 mph, until all the bigrigs and normal drivers have passed on the right. expect cheers from them, but some may be confused and flip you off!

    the prescribed LLC treatments provoke the exact results you mention in the northeast too. indeed a certain percentage of LLCs are the ones who try to pass on the right at 99 mph, to then go 55 in the left lane again if they can cut back to left lane. they really love the left lane more than life itself!

    btw, have you noticed that Priuses seem to be MLCs more than LLCs ? MLCs are not egregiously bad as LLCs, but they can be annoying iimpediments to normal traffic/drivers too!
  • Steve EliasSteve Elias Posts: 2,187
    imadoz, the reason its ok for trucks to cut off cars closer than cars can cut off trucks is Newtonian physics and the law of conservation of momentum, and energy required to dissipate larger/faster vehicle's larger kinetic energy and slow down. you can't get a break from that even if you say 'gimmebreak'.
    good luck to LLCs trying to avoid Newtonian physics when LLCing a larger or faster vehicle.
    years ago friend of mine with 99 suburban diesel was LLCed and brake-checked by a car driver ahead of him. significant crash resulted. no damage to suburban or suburban-driver.
  • Steve EliasSteve Elias Posts: 2,187
    A New Jersey approach to LLCers is to drive exactly match their speed adjacent to them, without passing (since passing on the right is illegal). Only go as far as front axles being adjacent - never pass.
    This does nothing initially to cure the traffic blockage caused by the LLCers and may make it worse... But sometimes it results in the LLCer realizing that following the rules and moving right is their best move.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    Around here, I'd be worried about a passive-aggressive explosion, where the LLCer swerves into me. I have no problem passing on the right, and I think its illegality is overstated in some places - I don't live in limeyland.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    What was the contruction speed? 45mph? So if it was 45mph, the 8 miles took 10.7 minutes. If that limo moved and you could go 75mph it would have taken you 6.4 minutes to go the 8 miles.

    Lot of whining :cry: for 4.3 minutes ;)
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    What was the contruction speed? 45mph? So if it was 45mph, the 8 miles took 10.7 minutes. If that limo moved and you could go 75mph it would have taken you 6.4 minutes to go the 8 miles.

    Yes, what is 4 minutes in the big scheme of things. So, if a commute on an interstate were 24 miles, then it would only be 12 minutes more. Not really that much when compared to 24 hours in a day. Think of all of the lives saved if all interstates had a 45 mph speed limit. ;)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 23,917
    >What was the contruction speed? 45mph? So if it was 45mph, the 8 miles took 10.7 minutes.... 75mph it would have taken you 6.4 minutes to go the 8 miles.

    I'm laughing because the construction zone speed is set for a reason. Going 75 through the zone is not safe or they would have the limit at 75 mph.

    I laugh because during our Road Trip starting Monday, I saw several police cars watching in construction zones here in Ohio. I saw 3 OSP units with stopped vehicles, all from Michigan, who apparently thought the 55 speed limit did not apply to them in construction on a legal holiday in Ohio.

    Those few minutes for a miles-long construction slower speed are trivial in terms of your whole trip. We had more time wasted by the DOT in Ohio which had been doing temp construction at an overpass and had lanes down to 1 with a huge backup on Wednesday. Signs still out and after 10-14 miles of slow then 30-40 mph, there are no workers. Just two trucks with workers/supervisors chatting on one side of interstate--but the signs were still left out to form one lane. They should have taken down signs both directions and then had their chat to kill time before heading back to clock in.

    Now that's inconsiderate. I think every truck in Michigan and Canada was heading south through that backup--more trucks than passenger cars.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,323
    Well, I live in Jersey. and there is nothing in my experience that will get the cruisers to move over. maybe a weapon, but 1/2 of them still would not notice.

    and your idea reminds me of a story. My boss of some years back commuted on 95/295 from PA to NJ, and tended to drive quickly. one stretch is about 5 lanes wide, and one day he comes up to a LLC convention, essentially a rolling roadblock, in the 4 left lanes.

    so, being in a hurry, he moves to the far right and passes (I think he had a Bullit mustang at the time).

    Yup, next thing you know a cop is pulling him over. that LLCs were a police trap, just trying to sucker someone into passing in the right hand lane. And I guess go over the SL, since I think the cops were right at it.

    talk about a waste of taxpayer $ and time/effort that I am sure could have been better spent elsewhere.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,323
    last time I was on 95 between DC/Baltimore, they had cameras set up in the construction zone. assuming they were actually being used, the state was making a lot of money considering how many people never slowed down!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,572
    If you want to go 45, get onto a minor highway and let drivers drive. Everyone in the country isn't in bland middle America with nowhere to go and all day to get there.

    Funny thing about the unmanned construction zones though - HUGE problem in Europe, worse than in the US.
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