ford f350 vs. chevy silverado 3500
modellfarms
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i want to purchase a one ton dual wheel truck to pull a 40ft four horse trailer with 17foot living quarters weighing about 9600lbs without horses. the trailer people say to buy ford f350. of course, that is all you see horse people pulling with is the ford. in edmunds it says pick the truck that fits your needs and pulling a heavy load is mine. its says chevy outweighs ford and dodge when it comes to power and towing capacity. i would like any opinions in comparing 2002 chevy silv. LT 4dr crew dual wheel long bed diesel with the 2002 ford lariat super duty 4dr crew long bed dual wheel diesel. i just keep hearing bad things about chevy
look forward to any opionions.
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Factor in a 10K trailer + 6K in horses + 6-7K in truck and you're over the one ton truck limits WITHOUT passengers, fuel, luggage etc.
My suggestion is Ford's F550 on up. Don't know GM's offerings for that kind of load.
kip
'99 F-350 XLT SC DRW PSD 6-speed w/3.73 gears - 100k so far and love it!
If I had to chose between the Ford and Chevy it would be the Ford. Maybe in 5 years after you see some Chevys with 200K and the problems ironed out I'd rethink it. Just too much past info available on the Ford and Dodge to venture into unknown territory.
I don't want to get stuck when the Allison goes out. And Ford is just that a ford. But there are alot more Fords out there. U can get an older 350 dually for around 8 grand. That might be a good solution for ya.
And you still get the same powerstroke as the new one. Talking about 94-96 model year..
The Powerstrokes prior to '99 are NOT the same. The entire FI system is different as well as the power output.
The allisons have not been failing any more often that the Ford or Dodge auto trannys, probably much less.
"And Ford is just that, a Ford." That statement shows true intelligence. Glad you could give us an opinion based on facts and expereience.
kip
Motor Trend described the brakes as "scary" when the 1500HD was only loaded with 1000lb. WIMPY!
It does make a good grocery getter.
Can you imagine getting a duramin diesel and being limited to hauling 1000lb because of the cheap, wimpy brakes Chev crippled their "HD?" trucks with.
Get a Ford or a Dodge - you will get MUCH more truck for your money.
Ok this is getting ridiculous now
Let's face it - as long as the Chev owners keep their loads limited to a couple of bags of groceries they MAY be alright. Don't try to work them though.
I personally think that the Ford F350 is a fine truck, in fact I suggested that people buy the Ford in an earlier post. That way they will get a heavy duty truck that isn't just heavy duty in name only like the Chevs.
Any time a 1/2ton truck such as the Tundra can outperform a Chev "HD" truck when loaded with just 1000lb, you got to wonder how Chev got the nerve to call their weak trucks "HD".
"Under normal driving conditions, the truck stops confidently, and the pedal has a solid feel. But, if you try to stop suddenly, the weight transfers to the front end, and the rear end lightens up. This can lead to what I consider premature ABS activation, especially if the road surface is at all bumpy. This results in a pulsing through the pedal and a near disappearance of stopping power. Very disconcerting."
"Since we were aware of the overeager ABS system (and regularly drove the Sierra with an empty bed and cab), editors planned for it and allowed themselves plenty of space between the truck and vehicles ahead. However, the system frequently surprised us anyway by engaging in instances where it clearly wasn't needed and lengthening stopping distances."
"My exit off the San Diego Freeway (I-405) was re-paved one weekend," Senior Editor Christian Wardlaw wrote. "On Monday morning, as I descended the ramp to Santa Monica Boulevard, the Sierra traversed the spot where the fresh blacktop of the ramp met the old concrete of the service drive. A new, insignificant bump at this juncture sent the Sierra's ABS into spasms, nearly hurtling me headlong into a Toyota slowing to a stop in front of me."
"Technology Editor Scott Memmer had a similar experience: "...Coming down a grade into an intersection in Glendale, Calif., the ABS grabbed suddenly and inexplicably — and this while traveling less than 20 miles per hour!"
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Just gotta love those wonderful 4 wheel disk brakes on those Chevys!
NOW, imagine this truck going down the exit ramp actually towing or hauling a load. Can you say DISASTER?
The ONLY big American truck I would consider buying would be a Ford with the PSD. I really think GMC has lost it, especially recently. Consider yourself lucky if you buy a new GMC that doesn't knock, shake, or have a faulty transmission. Some of the posters here have 2 or all 3 of these problems, all in one truck! Imagine having an engine that knocks, then a transmission which doesn't work, on a truck that doesn't stop.
My vote goes to the F-250 or 350 with the diesel.
But the original ? was about F350 vs 3500HD both with diesel,and while I agree with pluto about GM's quality issues I don't think the F350 is enough truck for modelfarms' intended use.
F450 at the minimum and for the money I'm still partial to the Freightliner.
kip
The only American trucks that ever impressed me were the Ford Power Stroke Diesels. If I needed a big truck, this would be the one for me, especially with the manual transmission. They seem like a good, solid truck. But no way, no how would my money ever go to GM.
Pluto, YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!! read the ORIGINAL, FIRST, NUMERO UNO post of this topic!!! How can you not recall what modelfarm's question is??? It's what the WHOLE topic is about.
If this isn't proof that toy boys just jump in to topics to start crap.....I don'tknow what is.
Unless you storm into a topic half baked, not knowing what the subject is being discussed......actually, that would explain a lot of things. LOL!!
The author of the thread asked the original question. In other words, the topic IS the 1st post ie: original question.
I can't wait for you to start a topic and tell you that's not what you mean.
I find your allegation that I jump into topics "half-baked" rather amusing. I don't "get baked" for many reasons, one of which would be losing my career.
Maybe you can enlighten us all on how braking performance shouldn't be considered when buying a pick-up, especially when it is as poor (or even downright dangerous) as the Chevy's.
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BTW my friends at whipple superchargers here in Fresno are working on a kit for Ford's v10 but it isn't smog certified yet and I don't know about Ford's A/T
Put 10,000 or 16000 lbs behind the tundra, and then behind my Duramax going down a hill without trailer brakes. Comparing apples to oranges isn't the point, and all three of the new style Sierra trucks I have had the privilege of owning would flat haul or flat shut down, with or without a trailer.
3/4 ton truck brakes are designed for durability, resistance to brake fade, heat disapation, and ability to stop heavy loads. Also, a heavier built, stiffer suspensioned truck handles a trailer better.
I love my Duramax, averaging 17.5 mpg on winter fuel driving hard. Got 12 MPG running 65-70 with 12000 lbs in tow. Can run 55-? in OD towing without any problems. Will outrun and outtow any STOCK Ford or Dodge. And has a transmission designed to hold up to the power and torque of a Diesel. I have friends who have installed multiple transmissions behind their Cummins or Powerstoke. But both are excellent engines.
Toyota aint even in the game, or in the same class, so don't try and compare again to a 1500HD, 2500, 2500HD or 3500.
Hunter
But if it makes you feel better comparing oranges to apples so you can have the advantage, more power to you. I always thought those Chevy Duramax/Allisons were awfully weak compared to those Freightliners...
Your orginal statement, "I don't recall modelfarm's question so I can't comment" is/was ignorant. This WHOLE topic is about that question.
Your incredible/important braking performance statements have NOTHING to do with this topic. You have not once shown ANY braking performance quotes for a 2500HD or 3500. You can't compare an Allison equipped or a 6 speed manual equipped vehicle to other vehicles that aren't so equipped. I'm sure you know the manual will assist in braking and the Allison also has a feature to do so.
Get off your high horse and stop justifying your ignorant braking comments that have nothing to do with the trucks being compared here.
We all understand your disdain for the 1/2 ton GM's and even if a 1500HD shares rotor size with a 3500, there are other factors that influence the braking performance.
You can't use info gleaned from 1500's, HD or not, and use it as factual info for a 3500.
You're wrong, now get over it.
I can't help to think the reason your panties are all bunched up over this is because a Toyota fan brought this fact to light. The title of this thread implies that pros and cons of the F-350 and Silverado 3500 be discussed so that a potential buyer (in this case, the original poster "modelfarm") may make an informed decision.
Why don't you contribute something informative to this discussion instead of throwing your temper tantrums?
Oh, and the last time I checked, English is spoken in the United States, not Spanish. Though I must say I'm impressed! It also sounds like you know more about premature ejaculation that me...well, at least you're knowledgeable in SOMETHING...
Let's see, earlier toy pick ups rusted out.....Therefore, I speculate all toys may rust. Some v6' toys blow head gaskets.......Therefore, I speculate it is a problem on all toys. There is a current sludge problem on some toy motors......Therefore, I speculate all toys are prone to this.
I get it Uranus.....er I mean pluto. GREAT LOGIC.
Your reading skills must be fading. I did contribute back at post 2....Oh, I forgot, you selectively choose what to read/understand.
Even if the EXACT same ABS "software" is used on the 3500 as the 1500. The weight difference, tire size and a myriad of other factors could/would affect the ABS performance. Please stop, like the combo LSD/locker, you're embarrassing yourself.
Washington, DC (SafetyAlerts) - The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has published the recall of certain 2000 Chevrolet S10, Silverado, GMC Sonoma and Sierra trucks, manufactured in August 1999, because certain light duty trucks equipped with 4-wheel disc brakes, the Antilock Brake System (ABS) motor contains an out-of-specification spring clip.
This clip could allow the motor bearing to become misaligned. If misalignment occurs, eventually the ABS would be non-functional. The base brakes would remain fully functional, but the Dynamic Rear Proportioning (DRP) system, which optimizes front to rear brake balance, would become inoperative, increasing the likelihood of a crash.
This came from:
http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/autorecall/00/055.htm
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I'm not posting this to say the spring clip is the culprit for the Sierra's braking problems. The whole point is these vehicles share common ABS system componets and when there's a problem, many models may be affected.
This supports my statements. I'll wait while you remove your foot from your mouth.
You never commented on how the Toyota DOHC 4.7 creates more torque at a lower RPM than the OHV Chevy 4.8 or SOHC Ford 4.6.
Again, lack or comprehension and reading skills?
I will try to educate you one last time. A DOHC 4 valve motor is, by design, a high revving(7000 RPM+) motor. If it is indeed spinning those high RPM's to create high HP numbers, the low speed drivability will suffer. Hence, most high RPM, high HP 4 valve motors have some sort of variable valve or varible intake technology for respectable low end power.
The Toy 4.7 is not a high revving, high HP motor. It has respectable numbers, obviously, but no where near what it is capable of or what would be useable in a truck.(what's funny is both the 4.8 GM and 4.6 Ford Mustang have higher HP #'s, another indication the DOHC is not being utilized to its one MAIN advantage) Therefore, The DOHC 4 valve technology is not being utilized well in a 1/2 ton pick up. Basically what I've stated before. Impaired indeed!!!
Are you sure you're not from Alaska???
So what are you going to do in a panic stop? Compression brake? Downshift? LMFAO!!!
Since the 1500HD has exactly the same wimpy brakes as the 2500 and 3500 LDs the brakes are pertinent to this discussion.
When you load 1000lb in Chev's so-called "HD"s you are driving a very dangerous vehicle. Putting a heavier engine and transmission in it will just make matters worse.
While on paper you can haul or tow more than 1000lb with Chevs wimpy trucks, you would have to have a death wish to do so.
It is ironic that a Tundra is actually more capable than Chevs HDs.
If you want a 3/4 or 1 ton truck that you can work safely - Fords and Dodges are the only game in town right now. Maybe Chev will eventually put some brakes on their trucks??
Any info for a 1500HD means nothing when comparing a 2500HD or 3500 until you prove the calipers and other components are the same. (Just like your demand of proof of forged pistons, you can't have it both ways)
Like I TRIED explaining before, saying the brakes are exact just because they are GM would be the same logic that ALL toys rust, blow head gaskets or have sludge.
bama- to even speak of a tundra in an article relating to super-duty, hd chevy's, and ram 3500's is ludicrous. the tundra is more at home in a ranger/tacoma/s10 forum. it barely beats the ranger in gvwr ratings, and it needs helper springs to tow claimed ratings. any of these three real full-size trucks would rip it in half if hooked to one another.
pluto- you truly need to get a life. do you ACTUALLY think that the 1500hd comes out of the factory with the same exact brakes as a 3500hd truck? do you have a life outside of edmunds? seems every thread i check out, you're right there in the middle stirring trouble. do you realize how retarded you sound to these cowboys who know what the term "truck" means? you know, the guys that see a toyota truck and only see a camry with larger wheels? go call your mom for christs sakes.
Now back to the topic.