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Second, The TSIB is a good thing, but a year later, while Lexus sends those who accept their lies without fixing the problem (lies here beiong that it was my driving and that the window problem was the stationa and or the tint). That is at best neglegence and at worst corporate fraud.
Third, if you go to "my.is" you will find a heap of postings about how the previous IS owners are underwelmed with 06/07 and that they are sick of fighting Corporate. If you go on a BMW forum and search for corporate problems (not mechanical) you wont find any because no matter how many mechaninical issues there are, BMW always fixes it and definatly never blames their customers.
Lastly, Enron and Lexus both cheated and lied for profit, is that simple enough?
I find that Lexus zealots, or eny make for that matter, are so blinded that they can't even see that they seem just a crazy as those who oppose Lexus. Maybe even more so because your blind faith is scary. At least I said that I would give BWM the boot if they acted like Lexus.
And as I've pointed out, BMW failed to resolve many of my issues. And plenty of BMW owners can attest to this sort of result. A check in bimmerfest will reveal many 335i owners with sundry unresolved issues - many fuel pump related.
They would've checked into the brake issue and pulled it up on the computer, showed it to me and said "here I see that there is a TSIB on it. would you like to leave it today or make an appiontment for us to change out the brakes for you?"
Not necessarily. Plenty of ZHP owners reported engine problems (dying, stuttering) for years without dealers acknowldege problems, looking for TSBS or in any way offering a resolution.
My trips to BMW for engine problems, electrical issues and HVAC equal over 20 in the course of 4 years of ownership.
Lexus Corporation, not the car, is evil, BWM corp is great.
Rofl. I had a 43k 330i that was marketed and sold as containing a "performance package" (ZHP). When BMW's ECUflashes did not resolve the issue with my engine, BMW corporate directed the dealership to disable my car's engine so that the variable valves would always remain in one position - thus no more highend power. Get how that might be frowned upon? I bought the performance package and BMW said they're going to remove the performance as a "fix."
No company is perfect. Lexus has a far better track record with customer satisfaction than BMW. By a longshot. I will continue to buy BMWs but I don't suffer from the delusion that BMW views me as anything but expendable.
And if you can't find people complaining about poor dealer service on a bimmer board, you're not looking very hard.
I agree that BMW has had a history of occasional system problems. I also agree that there are BMW dealers out there who suck. The important thing to see is how Lexus Corp is using it's great rep from the 1990's struggling to acheive the BMW status in the public eye, they are using that to now take advantage of thier customers by finding every excuse to save a dollar and over charging. That is corporate greed.
So I respect your opinon as that. Mine differs. This is a forum my a pissing match. That is more than I can say for those people who cant stand to read anything bad about their precious car. btw, I have found countless postings on how bad Lexus is, but that doesn't change the fact that they screw me everytime I go in there. BMW did not and that is my experience.
Rofl
BMW's problems with their cars cannot be quantified as occasional. The 335i line is currently plagued with fuel pump, RFT and intercooler issues. You can choose to deny that; just as BMW is currently doing.
I'm happy that you believe BMW will stand behind their product and attempt to resolve issues. As you're brand new to the BMW fold, I'd caution against blind devotion though.
rofl
I have been a BMW customer before you were in a car seat. My family has had BMWs since the 1970s. Never once in 30 years, have they ever given me or my family problems.
You seem to think that statictics are the only thing. For me it is how I am treated personally. Never a bad time in 30 years with BMW, but one car with Lexus and all hell breaks loose. Unlike you, I am not going to stick with a company who keeps screwing me. "And in the future I'll likely buy BMW again. " If BMW, according to you is so filled with problems that they dealers and corporate will not fix, then why do you continue to buy them? The answer is that they do fix the problems on a personal level. Anyone who complains that they are not is just not letting them get it through the system (a few months, unlike Lexus took a year and a half for the pads and still no rotors).
When I had my BMW I had some issues like shipo had with the computer which needed updating. But when I asked for help they would look into it and then fix it. Lexus tells me that it is me without even taking the car into the service rack. There is a difference between the ability to fix something (reconfigure software updates or develop a new part) to outright doing nothing on principle and then blaming customers who demand more.
I had an issue with my BMW. One of the rims looked like it got scrached up. I brought it into the dealer for them to look at it. The dealership brought the service manager out to look at my car. He said to me, it looked like car wash rail damage. Before he finished the sentence, he said, "we'll replace the rim on warranty". He ordered the rim and a week later it was installed. He didn't have to do that for a New York minute. In addition, they always voluntereed to pick up and deliver a loaner to me when I needed to bring the car in. (which wasn't very often)
As you said, the car is the car and stuff will happen. It's the gold carpet treatment that made the difference.
Then there are those who have gotten the run around with BMW just like your issue with Lexus. It can happen and does happen to all makes dude.
The point I believe everyone is trying to make is that your incident doesn't make Lexus corp or your dealer the bad guy. Just like some guy a person would know that has issues with BMW corp and/or dealer make them the bad guy. It's unfortunate, but it happens and that individual can voice an opinion but also has to understand others may be treated just fine by that same corp or dealer.
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-Brian
That is what I am talking about.
That happened to me with my 330i and the sunroof was stuck after 50K. They took it back, cleaned it, regreased it and gave it back in an hour..... $0 but for me, priceless!
They always patched tires for me free of charge too. Lexus made me buy a new, unpatchable tire (run flat) for $250. This was after I had a tire warranty and an added "tires for life" scam at Tustin Lexus which I paid +$1600 at signing for.
Also, when I turned in my 330i just before 60k, I had to pay $1,600 early turn in fee (about 8 mo before EOT)(I needed to move to Asia for a year for work). 2 months later my Stateside mail service emailed me and said that I had a check from BMW. It was $2,250 for the residual value after they sold it pre-owned. That, I have never heard of before. But anything can happen, It's BMW.
I agree with Brian, If Lexus floats someone's boat more power to 'em. But that doesn't give them the right to discount me telling my bad and good experiences with Lexus and BMW.
Wrong forum. Isn't that Honda's slogan? :confuse
I believe statistics tell a portion of the story. Personal experience, anecdotes, and surveying among friends/family with BMWs matche the stats. BMW builds fun cars. That's the only positive thing I can say about the company.
If BMW, according to you is so filled with problems that they dealers and corporate will not fix, then why do you continue to buy them? The answer is that they do fix the problems on a personal level.
No it's all about the drive, friend. I bought another VW (Audi actually) even though my only experience with VWAG was awful too. I place driving pleasure above all else. So if I spend 20-30 days without my car per year it's worth it. Unlike most people, I don't let worries of reliability color my buying decision. Life's too short for me to be stuck in a bland car missing vital elements (ala carte ordering and a manual at Lexus for instance).
Anyone who complains that they are not is just not letting them get it through the system (a few months, unlike Lexus took a year and a half for the pads and still no rotors).
3 years with an engine that stuttered. 3 years with electronics that didn't work. 1 year with a bad HVAC unit. Shrug. It was worth it. 3 BMW products over the past 4+ years and a 4th will probably end up in my garage around 2009/2010.
Different priorities...
Amen.
Understandable
Lexus sold a performance car to a bunch of whiners who complained about brake dust, and they actually stepped up and came up with a free solution!?!? Sounds like they went above and beyond to me.
Hey, I know. For all those IS owners who have come to find their cars too small, noisy, stiff, and quick-steering, Lexus should provide free ES350 replacements...
BTW, I could care less about dust. However I do care about the 2mm of dishing on my rotors after 20k, then a dealer cost of $600 for new ones. I went had to go to Sears to machine them but I am going to replace them with Centric slotted and greenstuff pads in another 20k.
Also, they didn't throw in new rotors to make up for the damaged ones from the orig pads. and it took 1.5 years to get pads. In the mean time they blame the driver. so uncool!
see for yourself:
No it's all about the drive, friend. I bought another VW (Audi actually) even though my only experience with VWAG was awful too. I place driving pleasure above all else. So if I spend 20-30 days without my car per year it's worth it.
With all due respect, I don't think your experiences with BMW are typical, or the penalty you are willing to pay for personal priorities is necessary.
Within my social and business circles I know a large number of people that own Lexus, BMW, Mercedes and all of the other premium brands. I don't know of a single BMW owner that, in order to enjoy the "driving pleasure" of BMW, expects that they will need to be without their car an extra 5-10 days a year, let alone 20 or 30. These are law partners, doctors, and corporate execs that don't have the time or tolerance for such B.S. Even those that drive M5's and M3's.
Maybe 30 years ago "driving pleasure" meant you had to be prepared to go without your car for a month a year. And maybe that's also why Alfa Romeos, Fiats, MGs, and some of those other "pleasurable" brands aren't around anymore.
But it's 2007. Porsche supplanted Lexus as #1 in the IQS, And my former Honda S2000, arguably about as "pleasurable" as you can get for under $40k was also tops in reliability and resale. You can have your cake and eat it too, today. I sincerely hope your experience with your Audi and Mini prove you wrong and you're not without them for 20-30 days annually. Because if I wasn't willing to accept that kind of trade off on a 911, you sure as hell shouldn't have to on them. There are plenty of other good choices in their categories.
Something seems odd about this since the Lexus IS does not come with run-flats. So if they "made" you (how can anyone make you is a whole different story) then you would have 3 non run-flats and one run-flat. Now BMW's include run-flats which many a BMW owner has complained about and spent their own money shortly after buying replacing them.
If it is true, then the dealership is the worst in the world (possible) or you are stretching the truth in order to bash Lexus even more.
PS - My dealership patched my tire after getting a slow leak. Gave me a RX loaner so I could travel to then next County and make a meeting.
People on this board has complained about persistent problems and denials by BMW that went on for years. Does their experiences count as well as yours since you stated that these forums are the only truth? Does that now make Lexus and BMW even as "baby Enrons" Or you only selective in determining a good and bad company? If BMW is good because your experience than Lexus is good based on mine.
Who shot JFK?
Maybe it is since you were posting over and over again the same thing and in the wrong forums. I guess you made it a goal to respond to every Lexus IS post and try to convince them that Lexus is bad.
No conspiracy:
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Fantastic. You have made your point many times and now it is for others to talk about the prices they have been quoted and how the dealer treated them. The best place to reiterated your issues with Lexus so that people researching if it is the right vehicle for them is in the discussion created about maintenance costs.
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The staff told you that the point was made and to give others a chance to talk without refuting everything. Even gave you the proper place to rate your dealership since that is where your problem seems to be. Now you come here and wonder why (after being told) you are being shut out.
Clue - it is not a big conspiracy, but the reflection in the mirror.
$600 for Lexus rotors!?!? Thank goodness for the internet, huh?
Cars today have more HP and weight than ever before, and brakes have to perform much better than they did just a few years ago. The dishing of the rotor (great photo, by the way) is typical on most European high performance cars - my wife's '04 Volvo station wagon had about that much lip on the rotors at 20k miles (I'm at 50k miles now and still going).
It's not a defect or damage - the pads and rotors are engineered to work together to provide both cold initial bite and high temperature fade resistance. A tall order for a 3500 lb luxury/performance car. Dusty pads and softer rotors are what it takes to deliver top of the line performance and safety.
Change the formula if you like (EBC and Centric), but only with the understanding that aftermarket suppliers may not know better than the factory engineers what works best on your car in all situations (cold, hot, wet, high speed, down hills, ABS/DSC, etc.). Also, how much R&D did EBC and Centric do with your particular car? With each other? Sure, your brakes will likely perform just fine (you probably won't even detect a difference), but they will no longer perform to "OE standards."
I'd say the experience is directly in line with all of my co-workers, friends and family's experiences with BMW. From replaced trannies at 25k miles to bad HVAC to replaced window regulators, the stories of woe with BMW are constant around my office, friendly circles and family gatherings. Everybody I know personally with a BMW - well over 15 people - can point to at least one catastrophic failure of their car while under warranty. One guy's SMG wouldn't go into reverse, my bro-in-law's 3 series' manual went out at 25k miles, another buddy's automatic required a rebuild at 50k miles, another M3 driver had constant issues with his mirrors bubbling and distorting, etc. Constant niggling problems, dealer inefficiency and poor quality control/component engineering are the order of the day with BMW in my experience. I live in socal - they give away BMWs with a latte at Starbucks and thus the pool of people is quite large.
These are law partners, doctors, and corporate execs that don't have the time or tolerance for such B.S. Even those that drive M5's and M3's.
Same circles, types of problems listed above.
You can have your cake and eat it too, today. I sincerely hope your experience with your Audi and Mini prove you wrong and you're not without them for 20-30 days annually. Because if I wasn't willing to accept that kind of trade off on a 911, you sure as hell shouldn't have to on them. There are plenty of other good choices in their categories.
1. I expect it. So far I'm ignoring problems in my Mini (engine hesitation in the morning, HVAC blows hot air).
2. I don't think there are many good choices available in any of the segments. Beyond BMW there is...nobody else I'd buy in the sedan world. Period, full stop. The other cars in its segment are just plain lame. The A3 won out because it offered a compact, fun, powerful, semi-luxurious wagon form (an anomaly in today's world of CUVs/crossovers). Mini got me for the same kinds of reasons - compact, powerful, semi-luxurious and most importantly a hoot to drive (closest thing to it is the GTI and that's all).
I don't see the big deal in giving up a car for repairs a few times a year. Turn it in, get a free rental or just go home and use an extra car. Shrug. For driver fun, I see that as a fine trade-off.
IMO, you are closer to my feeling than expecting no failures. The reality is, all cars WILL break. Even Porsche. So, get as much pleasure as you can but expect the inevitable. As long as I get a free loaner and the repair is free (in the last case, a 335i), I am good. That to me is valuable after the driving experience.
The bottom line for me in today's auto world is getting the best package you are looking for (and there is not a whole lot of choice if you expect top performance in a given segment) and plan your repair plan (redundancy strategy) and when you feel you should replace the car (exit strategy.
In habitat's case, the '99 Maxima is a good example of a redundancy plan!
In your case, getting out of the 330i lease early was your exit strategy.
Regards,
OW
Maybe there's something in the engine oil out there in southern California, but the BMW experiences of my friends and colleagues back east have been pretty good. Maybe not quite up to Lexus in problem infrequency, but comparable or better than Lexus if and when something serious goes wrong. My former boss put 120,000 miles on his 1997 528i and never had a major repair. Retired, moved to Laguna Niguel, bought a new Audi S4 convertible and has had nothing but problems in the first 18 months.
I'll admit that although "driving pleasure" is very high on my list, I'm not going to turn a complete blind eye to reliability and the potential for costly repairs. I had a chance to "steal" a Ferrari 328 at the time I got my S2000 and couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger on a car that runs $2k+ for a tune up and lots more for repairs. As I've said many times, the fact that my 1995 Maxima gave me 155k of trouble free miles contributed to my financial ability (and guilt free conscience) to buy a 911. Also, I always pay cash for my cars and expect to be able to keep them for 100k+ miles, whether I choose to or not.
Blueguy, not that it's any of my business but, if driving pleasure is/was paramount to you, and you are a two car family, why not one of the two cars you already have - take your pick - and something like a Honda S2000? I can understand why a single person might not want a 2 seater sports car as their only car, but for a couple to have two compact FWD cars seems a little redundant. Not that each isn't a great choice by itself, but I think one or the other with an S2000 would be a better "driving pleasure portfolio". Feel free to tell me to pound salt - I'm NOT trying to pull your chain, I'm just curious.
We've got 3 cars for two of us. I flirted with a MX-5 (we get s-plan pricing) but my fiancee expressed that she would never ride in it with the top down. Ditto the S2000, Z4, Z3, Boxster. No point in going convertible in San Diego if I can't use it 24/7.
but for a couple to have two compact FWD cars seems a little redundant. Not that each isn't a great choice by itself, but I think one or the other with an S2000 would be a better "driving pleasure portfolio". Feel free to tell me to pound salt - I'm NOT trying to pull your chain, I'm just curious.
I would agree and I wanted a small RWD. No such thing exists in compact coupe/sedan form. Also knowing that we are going to start a family in 09/10, I had to get a daily driver that I could flip easily - the Mini stands apart expressly because it's fun, BMW-engineered and it has astounding resale. In 09/10 I should be able to part ways with it and avoid the 40-50% drop of cars that don't hold their value very well (like my BMWs for for instance). At the point when I need to sell I'll get something roomier (alas, the 1 series won't come as a hatch/sedan here): WRX, 335i (wish it came as a wagon) or maybe the new A4 Avant.
ROFL
I bet you think that we attacked Iraq because of 9/11.
As I said before, the Lexus Zealots would say anything as to not let the reputation of their precious car maker be damaged. I have said that I had a good experience with BMW and have used it for contrast but more so than that I would have to say for me anything but Lexus. Give me a honda, Volvo, whatever but just not Lexus because the company is shady.
as for the other forum you did not get to see the whole story and all of the postings that Edumonds removed based on negative coments about Lexus in a Lexus forum. You cant have that when they are your advertisers. as for sylvias comment, how exactly can I prevent people from posting? you said "give others a chance to talk" If I had the power to control someone elses website, I would post the truth right on Lexus.com and not bother with Edmunds.
If you believe, like Edmunds does, that the cost of maintanece, and how that should affect your buying decision (my point in that forum), is not a factor for the purchase then you know nothing about buying a car.
or
Maybe you work for lexus. you seem to pull "facts" out with every posting breaking down any dissentient's comments line by line. If it walks like a duck. If the Pharm company lobbists can out number congressmen 4 to 1. Why can't an auto maker put an employee in forums to provide disinformation for potential buyers?
Before you do your ROFL dance, just remember this one, I said any car but Lexus so that clearly makes me impartial, but are totally Lexus Zealot all the way. You seem like a logo buyer.
and BTW this proves that your information is BS. IS250 AWD does come with runflats and that is why they couldn't patch them.
and lastly why when I am posting my viewpoint and experience, do you have to so vigorously rebute line buy line that my personal experience is wrong... it is my experience not yours and not JD powers and not Edmunds.... its' mine. Like I said either Lexus Zealot or a fourm lobbist for Lexus. Which is it? Maybe YOU should look in the mirror.
this is true. so many, and I cant begin to count, want to make it a major performance issue. That would be true if I was racing my IS. but I am going to work and back and the High Friction system might stop faster (no more than 2 feet), but in the real world with consumers, the weakest link by far is the person, between eyes to brain to foot. that could be many car lengths. so to spend $600 (that is for the front system, rotors and pads at the dealer) for 2 feet, is not logical (this is setting the dust asside which can be annoying but not as much as an empty wallet).
Also, Lexus did threaten me that not continuing on the $600 every 20k miles by putting aftermarket would not only void the warranty for those parts (understandable to me) but anything associated to them. (unacceptable to me). I took this as them making a case that my rear brakes are now not covered because they are part of the entire braking system which was void by the front non-om parts.
Considering I point out where Lexus is not as good as others - room, power (IS250), handling - how can I be a zealot or employee.
You go way beyond experiences where you state all Lexus cars are bad, unreliable, and that the corporation is defrauding everyone.
And yeah, I like to use facts. It is how effective debating is done - using things that can be verified. I also am smart enough to realize one car does not create a trend. Or distort things such as the TSIB to try and make it fit.
I guess Apple just admitted they lied since they just released an update to the iphone fixing bugs. Or that Canon lied since they had a firmware update to my Rebel XT after over a year of ownership.
I don't ever rebut your experience as being wrong, but I constantly rebut your logic of your experience = everyone's experience. It is the extrapolation of your one issues to the whole that makes no sense. The same as you dismiss the individuals that say the same thing about BMW.
Considering I have only owned my Lexus for a little over a year and have owned multiple other brands from Volvo, Audi, Acura, Saab, Honda, and others. I traded my Audi that I loved because of reliability and cost to upkeep on the Lexus and have experienced better fit and finish so far with the Lexus.
I drive a lot and need a comfortable, reliable car that also offers some fun. Seems Lexus fits it to a tee, but I miss the convertible and may ultimately end up with another one from another brand.
I will wrap it up by putting it this way. I had a Honda Civic in the 1990s that everything kept falling apart on it (bought new). They could never solve about 10% of the issues and they were all minor (no engine failure stuff), but annoyed the (you know what) out of me. I got rid of the car for a Mazda MX-6 V6 (fun car that should have lasted longer in the marketplace) and I still think that I got a bad example from Honda. Facts show Honda makes a reliable car, but mine was the small percentage that was not. I guess I am smart enough to realize that I got the lemon and that someone had to. Did I create a grudge about Honda Corp - Nope. They just stopped receiving my money and I moved on. If Acura makes a more compelling car to my liking, I may even go back. (I did have an early Integra that was great prior to the Honda)
I have said my peace and unless compelled will move on and enjoy these forums.
PS - Not for this group, but my company builds a lot of labs for Biotechnology and I have been involved in it alot. If you think that big Pharma controls drug discovery than you are misinformed. Look at Scripps Research Institute, Burnham Institute, Torrey Pines not to mention the University Research. Big Pharma actually does the least drug discovery. They just purchase the science and bring it to market with some internal research as well. Talk to any of the scientist researching cures and tell them that they have not made the breakthrough because of Pharma and they will laugh.
Oh really?
IS250 AWD Specs
Let me clear it up for you:
Wheels & Tires
Alloy Wheels, 17-In. X 8-In.
SBRP225/45VR17, All-Season Tires
Compact Spare Tire
Another one:
IS250 AWD Specs
Under "Handling and Control":
17.0" silver alloy wheels
Compact steel spare wheel/tire
Now why would a runflat-equipped vehicle have a spare tire? :confuse:
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Mini, A3 and ???
but my fiancee expressed that she would never ride in it with the top down.
I won't ask you how one can live in San Diego and NOT want a convertible. And to think I got a call on my 911 Cab when I was considering selling from a guy that lived in Nova Scotia. :surprise:
I'll give you credit on the Mini purchase / exit strategy. The damn things just don't depreciate at all.
Man, you're telling me about the convertible thing. Just today a coworker was pointing out the e93 BMW 3 series convertible and I laughed as it'd never be an option. She has agreed a used Boxster in the future might be okay if it's not my primary car.
IIRC, you originally suggested PBR/Axxis pads as a solution to the brake dust problem a couple of years ago on the 3-series forum. Before this thread dies, I'd like to thank you. Earlier this year, I replaced the pads on my '01 330i with PBR/Axxis. What a difference!
Should've done that years ago. Thanks again.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Convertibles are a great thing. I had an '04 Audi A4 Cab prior to my Lexus and when the top went down - a lot of stress went out the roof.
I would have bought another drop-top if there was one that fit my needs (4 seats being one of them). The Volvo was new and they wanted full MSRP (worried it would drop like a rock resale value and slow); Saab was old; new BMW was not out; Mercedes was too expensive.
I figured the Lexus would be my between car. I would love for the rumored IS Convertible to be real.
I also am leaning towards a hardtop even though I love the look of the ragtop. My Audi was Black/Black/Black - a killer in the sun of South Florida, but it looked great.
What are your thoughts on the convertibles in this segment since it is an area that is heating up (pun intended)?
The new A5 will be a great looking convertible.
PS - My Audi top seperated at the rear window at 2.5 years and 52,000 miles. I mention since it is the reason I now lean towards a hardtop - Please lets not talk about quality as we beat it to death over the last few days.
He has lots of frequent flyer miles and his wife has never been to Europe, so they are turning it into a second honeymoon. But the savings are substantial. He saw a car on the dealer lot that was going for $1,500 more than his price - and it was the 328i not the 335i. The dealers are adding crap to the cars here to pump the price.
I've yet to see or drive the car in person, but he says it is very nice, and a rocket compared to his 1999 328cic.
Never drove the 328, but the 335 is a rocket compared to the 330.
Regards,
OW
Notice how one really good test helped overall or one really bad test hurt. The Volvo was really saved in the list by the one Corner test.
I guess we need to know where the accident will occur to pick the best car. I'll give the Saab props for never reaching $2 grand on any. Never the cheapest, but consistent.
Results really varied from test to test. Mercedes was either really good or really bad.
All I know is if I get in a low speed crash - please let it be the rear corner of my Lexus
Great info. So much for the price difference between the G35 and BMW if you hit something in the G35. I wonder how these affect insurance rates on the respective models?
Also, Lowering the SUV/Truck/Van is a good idea to reduce damage but ground clearance would suffer for the off-road set.
Regards,
OW
To be honest, I thought BMW would have fared better. I hit a deer in my BMW, damage was about $1800. The amount was a pittance to what it could have been.
A little bit different in a sedan, as you can attest to. OW that hurts!
Regards,
OW
Just read that freakin article and this happens.I'll update with cost next week.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/jzalkin/Cars/2006%20Lexus%20IS250/Accident/- IMAGE_003.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/jzalkin/Cars/2006%20Lexus%20IS250/Accident/- IMAGE_004.jpg
his car:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/jzalkin/Cars/2006%20Lexus%20IS250/Accident/- IMAGE_006.jpg
Cop (man, they have the undercover thing down):
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What does the Mustang have to do with it, or did I miss that?
My idjit bro-in-law hit the side of our A3 the other night - while it was parked in his driveway. His BMW's back bumper has been repaired, while the A3 has been at the shop for 2 weeks this Monday. Apparently, they had to order a new door from Germany. Argh.
This isn't the first time he's hit cars parked in his own driveway. Talk about being a menace to parked vehicles.
Visibility to the left rear is extremely limited due to the door post. When entering a highway it is difficult to get a good view of on coming traffic.
Entry to the drivers seat is limited. On my GM sedan the steering wheel tilted at an angle to the steering post allowing easy access. On this car the whole steering post tilts but it has a very narrow range. If you are a little heavy in the thighs ( I don't mean fat ) it is difficult to slide into the seat.
The forward cup holder is so deep a small container of coffee gets lost in there and is difficult to get out.
I paid 30K and that was 5k too much.