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Now if they could only drop the MSRP below $30K (even if it's $29,995)...
(source: Cars Direct, Los Angeles area. $29,902 asking price plus $875 delivery)
Year end incentives will bring it down closer to $27-28K. And even the base model is very respectable when it comes to standard options.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
As for gas mileage, expect roughly 20 city and 30 highway, give or take. Pretty much like all of the 6 cylinder luxury sedans these days. For someone like my mother, who wants a car like the G37 but without the 300+ HP, since she's just using it around town, it's perfect.
EDIT - Japan's site says that the car gets an average of 24mpg combined(converted to US gallons). Pretty much what we expected. 30 highway should be possible.
The G35 has been replaced with G37 since 2009 model year. Now that G25 is unveiled and, given the fact that both IS350/250, 328/335, and TL/TSX are on the list, both G37 and G25 should also be added.
Thanks in advance.
That would mean 85 = approx. 3600.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/2008-cadillac-cts-vs.-2007-infiniti- - -g35-sport
[ edit ] Also, the G37 with A7 shows 2000 at 60
That would mean approx. 2850 at 85 mph.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1007_2011_cadillac_cts_coupe_2010_inf- initi_g37_coupe_comparison/specs.html
And on the maxima it might share a similar engine but power goes to the rear on infiniti cars as noted before.
edmunds link -- http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/infiniti-launches-ipl-performance-line-with-g- - - -coupe.html
This is the first step of infiniti dominating acura once again... they were first to 300hp then 300, now move towards 350-- now i think this first attempt could of been better executed at least they are trying,something you cant say about a 5 speed auto taken from the accord and installed into acuras "advance" performance sedan.
Let me tell you, this is one sweet masculine hell of car. Oh, I almost forgot, bought the Bright Whites Bulbs for the Rear License Plate and I am also going to get those really nice genuine Acura seat covers for the rear seats-kids can do damage back there.
So whenever you see me coming down the highway (White Diamond Pearl SH-AWD) get that wimpy outdated Maxima oh sorry,G35 out of the left lane.
PS- remember the allotment they gave you when you signed your lease-10k miles or .20cents for every mile over, so be careful with your mileage or you will be dipping in the kid's college fund.
I'm just trying to keep the peace I guess.
Given the choice I would take a TL SH-AWD first, a G37X second, Maxima third and a base TL fourth if money was no object. I have a limited budget so the Maxima worked for me best. I liked the interior size of the TL except for the trunk size over the G37X. The G is a bit cramped inside.
The Maxima has the best overall style inside and out and is just the right size ... and it has the superior glove box .... it's huge.
I owned both Maxima and Accord in the past, and bought a 2010 G37S in March -- would have chosen TL SH-AWD had it been the same size as the 3G TL. Personally, I like the intimate feel in a cabin. Some may think the interior of G37 is cramped, but coming from a 2007 BMW 328i, it feels spacious to me.
A friend of mine is considering the BMW 5-series, but I strongly recommend the TL to him and save the $10k-$15k. I think I almost sounded like a Acura salesperson.
There isn't any bad car in this class, just personal preference.
It's entertaining watching somebody 'go off'...let em go at it...
That's why reality shows choose people that grate on each other.
Sometimes I volunteer to bring bad news to the old crusty IT network guy we have...and watch him throw his hands in the air and huff and puff...very entertaining for me
As another poster would say- Happy motoring.
Poeple please help me, what's wrong with me? I made a huge mistake three years ago to pick MDX over FX35, and I made another mistake last month that picked TL over G37. I am thinking to trade my 07 MDX in for 2011 ZDX. Please someone stop me for another mistake.
Peace !!!
I drove a rental Maxima of around that vintage. It had great power, great audio, but compared to my A4 the handling sucked -- especially that solid beam rear end.
and enjoy your upgrades-- i hope you install the lights under the car- those are always nice.
smarty - you always seem to find me -- your always there to save a TL 2009-2010 owner when they are in a pickle. nice work but you made the right choice in 2008 when they were making FWD (normal) sedans that had an edge..not "performance sedans"
However, the transmissions went out after the warranty on the TL and the MDX. We had a great deal of problems with the CL. The transmission went out on my brother's MDX and his Accord. All of these transmission blow ups occurred shortly after the extended warranty ended.
Older Accords were bulletproof and unbelievably reliable. Transmission problems there now too.
The Infinitis are fun to drive, reliable, great looking, and reasonably priced. MPG suffer a bit but it's not bad. Their AWD is amazing and the car is 100% rear wheel drive unless it detects a need to use the front wheels
When the new body style on the G37 sedan comes out in a year or two, I will be one of the first in line to test drive it.
Infinitis (and Nissans) have timing chains. Hondas And Acuras have timing belts.
Timing belts are $600-800 to replace and if they break, it probably will cost you a new engine.
Timing chains are virtually indestructible.
Even though the timing chains are generally lifetime items, one should replace tensioners and guides every 100,000 miles. The Infiniti uses 3 timing chains, and replacing the tensioners and guides involves removing the exhaust, starter, AC compressor and upper oil pan - about 11 book hours.
How much do you think your dealer will charge for that?!?!
I've never heard of a timing chain breaking or needing replacing. It may be expensive if it did happen but it rarely happens.
Timing belts are a maintenance item and are expensive to replace. If the timing belt breaks while you are operating the vehicle, a new engine will generally be required. I've heard of many timing belts breaking which cause at minimum a bent valve, a hole in your piston or a need for a total engine overhaul.
If you are lucky and your Acura timing belt does not break, you can use the money you save to buy a new transmission. Check the Acura posts if you don't believe me.
Many TLs are on their 3rd transmission according to this Edmunds site.
Replace your timing belt every 6 years or 100,000 miles (whichever comes first) and it will be as reliable as a chain.
"Timing belts are a maintenance item and are expensive to replace."
A basic timing belt service will run $300 at an independent mechanic. You'll only pay $600 if you include a new tensioner, idler pulley, serpentine belt, and water pump.
Have you priced new tensioners, guides, serpentine belt, and water pump for the Infiniti?
Have you priced new engines for an Acura?
How about new transmissions for an Acura?
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Get your facts straight before you go bad mouthing an entire brand. To anyone else, if you get an Acura model 2006+, you'll have little to no worry about transmission issues. Very very reliable vehicles.
There are many posts about transmission and clutch problems in 2006 vehicles, not just 2005 and prior models.
Remember, it took several years before the transmission problems surfaced regarding the transmission failures of TLs from 1999-2005. Now the problems with the 2006 transmissions are surfacing. Next year we may hear about problems from 2007.
Acura's customer service and care are terrible at the national level also.
Just remember, the population sample of edmunds reports is a small minority of the total owners who have Acura vehicles and we don't here from the vast majority of Acura owners on edmunds, only a small group, sometimes only a few hundred, out of the hundreds of thousands of Acura owners. Doesn't mean there isn't a problem, but you have to take the sample size of problems with a grain of salt and try not to paint a broad brush, as your trying to do, that all Acura's are bad products.
You can make this same point with any automakers and their specific problems you here complained and reported here on edmunds and then paint a broad brush about the entire automaker and try to frighten people not to get those brands:
GM: numerous power steering and airbag issues in various models
Honda: brake/rotor issues on several models
Toyota/Lexus: acceleration, transmission, and safety issues
Nissan: early gen CVT issues
BMW: numerous electrical/sensor issues that need to be fixed
Chrysler: various mechanical/safety issues across the board
Infiniti: hunting/pecking and communication issues with transmission/computer
Audi: some mechanical/electrical gremlins in a more than avg chunk of its models
the list can go on and on for each automaker and the point is, you take your chances with anyone of them; it just depends on, what one gives you a slightly higher chance of not getting a problem model from that automaker
I can tell you with having two Acura's both 2006+ that I have had no problems or no sign of problems with my transmission and I don't know anyone personally with a Honda or Acura model that has or has had transmission issues; I belong to a few Acura boards and the MAJORITY do not have transmission issues; I only have seen a few dozen over the years on those boards report transmission issues, not that they can't happen, but they are not happening left and right with every Acura model and in the intensity your trying to portray it as!
I went to test drive a TL-Type S in January 2007 in Framingham, MA. The roads were clear and dry during a spell of unusually warm weather in the 70's.
The torque steer was surprisingly difficult to handle to the point where I dismissed the car as an undisciplined and poorly designed automobile. Nicely appointed, but dangerous to drive aggressively.
What really turned me off, though, was the attitude of the salesman who took me for the drive. Upon returning to the showroom, I wanted to know more about the vehicle and asked for the detailed brochure as I like to devour the technical details and be able to imagine myself behind the wheel. The salesman told me they didn't have any brochures, that I wasn't ready to buy and to come back when I was ready. He was arrogant and rude. He then promptly walked away leaving me thoroughly unattended.
That turned me off Acuras so completely that I wouldn't even consider another dealership. Too bad as this one was less than 1 mile from my home.
I then went to a local BMW dealership that I had avoided as I didn't think I could afford a BMW. I did a test drive of the 335xi. I was so impressed by the car, but more importantly, the manner of the salesman and the time he took to chat with me over the next 7 months when I would drop by that we are now on our 3rd BMW from the same dealership. ('07 335xi traded for an '11 335i xDrive, and my wife's '08 328xi).
Acura? No thanks.
I just turned 100K miles on my '05 TL and the only repair other than routine stuff was a recall for a temperature sensor. No other problems.
All I know is that we had 3 Acuras and all 3 had the transmissions go out. That's my experience.
Around 2003, my brother and I went shopping for an MDX for him. We asked about the reported transmission problems in the TLs from 2000 and 2001. The salesman was adamant that the problem only existed in the early 1999 and 2000 transmission in the TL. He indicated that there were no problems in the later TLs and never in the MDX.
Guess what? My brothers MDX's transmission went out last year. Now we see 2006 transmission problems with the TL.
Keep us posted in a couple of years on your TL or an MDX if you own one. It takes 4 years for this problem to manifest itself and become public. I am in contact with the NHTSA re any deaths or injuries from the TL trans failures.
Hopefully you will be lucky.
My family is batting 1000 with 3 for 3 transmission failures.
The world is a strange place!
I thought all the tranny failures for Honda/Acura were related to the Auto.
Pre 2006 I knew of 4 people with an Odyssey /Pilot and they all had the trannies replaced (a close friend was on his 3rd). They were all replaced with rebuilt versions...they presumably still had the design defect.
I assumed that the new versions were re-designed and 'good' now...who knows, maybe their failure rate was the same as others and the owners are just more vocal.
I maybe wrong in my assumptions...but I'd be pretty PO'd if any transmission went out...at anytime throughout the life of the vehicle; of course with the caveat that you're not at the drag strip or towing 10k lbs everyday...
I agree with the poster who said that all brands have their problems, quirks and nuances. How the manufacturer resolves these problems is what is crucial.
I complained for 5 years about the transmission in my TL, Acura only performed a jet kit quick service of some sort. That's it. Complained constantly about the other 2 also that went out. Acura refused to replace these unless they went out during the warranty period.
My daughter drove the TL and constantly called me worrying that she would not make it to her destination and would break down on an expressway. This eventually happened.
Acura could have replaced this transmission with a rebuilt one and that would have satisfied me but they chose not to do so,
An Acura rep in California named Ingrid took 11 days to tell me they would pay for 10% of the repair after the TL trans went out. That was insulting and waiting 11 days was inconsiderate at best.
My 2004 Infiniti G35 had a well known problem with the brake pads wearing out prematurely. However, they were proactive. After I had 35,000 miles on the vehicle they contacted me and put 4 new pads and new front rotors on the car at their expense. They even gave me a free loaner and an oil change.
At 68,000 miles I took the G35 into Infiniti of Ann Arbor and reported that rear rotors may need turning. I mentioned the pads and rear rotor replacement from 3 years earlier. They called Infiniti and gave me 4 new pads, turned the front rotors and replaced the rears at no cost. Incredible.
Last month, we took my wife's 2007 G35 to this dealership with 40k miles on it for a front rotor turning. The service advisor said they just received a TSB indicating that a problem with the front splash guards may have caused warping of the front rotors. They replaced the front splash guards and turned the front rotors at no cost.
This is truly great service. This is what we experienced with Infiniti.
Disregarding constant complaints and arrogance is what we got from Acura, in addition to 3 blown transmission between my brother and us.
None of us ever towed a thing nor did we abuse the Acuras in any way.
Acura is not proactive and Infinti was for us.
Acura should learn from the lessons re the Camry and Lexus models. They ignored and covered up the problem and look how it affected them.
By the way, I purchased a new Nissan Altima for my daughter on Friday.
I agree with the poster who said that all brands have their problems, quirks and nuances. How the manufacturer resolves these problems is what is crucial.
I complained for 5 years about the transmission in my TL, Acura only performed a jet kit quick service of some sort. That's it. Complained constantly about the other 2 also that went out. Acura refused to replace these unless they went out during the warranty period.
My daughter drove the TL and constantly called me worrying that she would not make it to her destination and would break down on an expressway. This eventually happened.
Acura could have replaced this transmission with a rebuilt one and that would have satisfied me but they chose not to do so,
An Acura rep in California named Ingrid took 11 days to tell me they would pay for 10% of the repair after the TL trans went out. That was insulting and waiting 11 days was inconsiderate at best.
My 2004 Infiniti G35 had a well known problem with the brake pads wearing out prematurely. However, they were proactive. After I had 35,000 miles on the vehicle they contacted me and put 4 new pads and new front rotors on the car at their expense. They even gave me a free loaner and an oil change.
At 68,000 miles I took the G35 into Infiniti of Ann Arbor and reported that rear rotors may need turning. I mentioned the pads and rear rotor replacement from 3 years earlier. They called Infiniti and gave me 4 new pads, turned the front rotors and replaced the rears at no cost. Incredible.
Last month, we took my wife's 2007 G35 to this dealership with 40k miles on it for a front rotor turning. The service advisor said they just received a TSB indicating that a problem with the front splash guards may have caused warping of the front rotors. They replaced the front splash guards and turned the front rotors at no cost.
This is truly great service. This is what we experienced with Infiniti.
Disregarding constant complaints and arrogance is what we got from Acura, in addition to 3 blown transmission between my brother and us.
None of us ever towed a thing nor did we abuse the Acuras in any way.
Acura is not proactive and Infinti was for us.
Acura should learn from the lessons re the Camry and Lexus models. They ignored and covered up the problem and look how it affected them.
By the way, I purchased a new Nissan Altima for my daughter on Friday.
About a week went by and I did some of my own research online and found a TSB put out by Nissan for the auto-up feature not working on the Maxima and what needed to be done to correct it. Printed out the TSB and took it into the stealer on the third trip, gave them the paper and threatened to get the stealership owner involved if they did not address the issue.
Suffice it to say, third time was the charm on such a ridiculously non-complicated issue that both the Nissan stealer and Nissan Consumer Affairs could have addressed but do to their idiotic and poor customer service I was dismissed and blamed for my warranty problem.
Doesn't get any worse then that. Never have had Acura stealer blame me for a warranty or issue on my vehicles yet.
I've got 2 or 3 more issues I could describe but this specific one above is enough to illustrate my point. :shades:
Luckily it was all covered under warranty which I never could understand b/c most automakers consider brake/rotor wear a normal wear and tear item which is not covered under warranty. Come to find out, there were multiple class action lawsuits against Infiniti for poor brake/rotor problems that people with early year G35 and FX35/45 vehicles had. Infiniti was not covering the brakes and rotor repairs even for people that had their brakes and rotors shot to hell after only 6-7k miles on them. Enough people sued and Infiniti was forced to settle and cover the brake and rotor repairs under warranty. It wasn't until Infiniti was forced to do the right thing that they actually stepped up and did it!
Thats the reason why all those issues you had were covered under warranty at no cost to you. Enough people had problems and sued to get that stuff covered. Shame is, Infiniti continued to put poor quality brake/rotors on their vehicles all the way up to 2008 models. I've only recently seen signs that the issues on their models have changed with a changed to better quality brake/rotors on their 2009+ models and the frequency and occurrence of brake/rotor issues has dropped dramatically since the change in parts in 2009!
I had $33000.00 in my checking account my wife was looking to buy a TSX. What a nut case, he got upset because I liked a RSX and wanted to try it out.It was a 2006 used. He thought I was poor and needed a loan.He asked me if I was upside down on a loan.
I got peeved and went 8 miles down Route #1 and bought my wife a new Lexus.I did have to pay 5 % sales tax in ME and I think $1200.00 in excise tax also.
Prime Motors of Maine owns the place I guess they sold out in MA and bought half of the auto mile in Saco, ME I'd stay away from them. :lemon: