Waxing in South Florida

rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
edited March 2014 in Chevrolet
I need to protect my newest investment, '02 Suburban. It's parked outside all the time and I can't decide between Pinnacle, 3M or Meguires. Any suggestions? Thanks.

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  • jc1973jc1973 Member Posts: 63
    i used to live in south florida fort lauderdale i always used meguirs products and found them to be excellent i was also a former auto detailer
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    There seems to be a heavy push for Pinnacle from every place I go to. I just want the best protection from the daily sunshine.
  • zueslewiszueslewis Member Posts: 2,353
    then go over it with the Wax Shop's "Super Glaze". You can actually be sloppy with the Super Glaze (it comes off SO easy and has the consistency of milk) and I don't remove the other wax first. Apply Meg's, apply super glaze, then remove the second - it's easy.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    I'm sorry, I meant heavy push from the car shops I've gone to. They all tell me to use Pinnacle.
  • armtdmarmtdm Member Posts: 2,057
    I have a friend on Orlando that purchased a Porsche Boxter about 6 months ago. I recommended Zaino to try as it goes on so easy, even in sunlight and, based upon most peoples' experience is the longest lasting polish out there. He loves it.

    I use it on all five of my cars three of which stay out 24/7. I also like Collinite as it may give a slippier finish but overall Zaino is the best IMHO. Mequires is okay, I use it also but does not compare to Collinite or Zaino for shine or durabiity

    www.zainobros.com.
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    and while very beautiful, it is not a long lasting wax. Shine and durability are not always compatible. If you want to do it monthly you will be OK. Personally I would consider going to a motorcycle shop and getting S100. You get very good protection, great shape for about 15 bucks. Pinnacle Sovereign is over $50.00 for only 6 ounces. Most people say you can get 95% of the shine for 1/3 of the price.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    So far nobody has mentioned 3M Perfect-It Show Car Wax. Any one have experience with 3M? I've also heard alot about Zymol. Will any of these with stand the Florida sunlight? Thanks again for everyones input.
    Rich.
  • zueslewiszueslewis Member Posts: 2,353
    It's about 8 or 9 bucks for 10 ounces.
  • the_reel_deelthe_reel_deel Member Posts: 9
    In southern Florida, you just have some Cuban do it. If you are waxing your own car, you don't belong in Southern Florida.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    After buying the new Suburban I can't afford to have anybody wax it for me!
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    If you really want to learn about different waxes and techniques go to the "Store Bought Waxes Part II" thread and read for a couple of hours. Or for some real expert advice go to WWW.autopia-carport.com and you really learn what is going on. This should be your next step before you spend any money. It all depends on how much time and money you want to spend on your vehicle.
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    Perfect-It Show car Liquid produces a great shine, but doesn't last very long.

    3M Perfect-It Show Car Paste wax is one of my favorites. It's the best wax for 15 bucks (S100 notwithstanding) that you can buy. This is my old reliable wax. I never use anything else on my friends and family members vehicles that I detail. It is a very durable carnauba that looks darn near as good as P21S. And has twice as much in a can.

    This summer I put Meguiars on the trunk, P21S on the roof, and left 3M Perfect-It show car paste on the hood of my blaze red Mazda. We had 20 days over 100 degrees, and very dry weather. The Meguiars #26 and P21S were hammered after 6 weeks. No beading. The 3M Perfect-It Paste Wax still held up and it was applied a month earlier. It held up in the heat better than the other carnaubas on my dark car. A white car didn't have the same issue with the other waxes.

    "CMA at www.properautocare.com had this to say about the Perfect-It Show Car Paste.

    As I applied this wax to the hood of my test vehicle and started to buff I was mentally preparing to write this wax off as a bad experience. When I stood back and looked at the hood, I was stunned at the liquidity this wax created. This wax has a high jetting factor which will make it look great on black, red and dark color vehicles. I was also impressed by the sharply-defined clarity of the reflection. Waxes with a high jetting factor (which creates the illusion of wetness) tend to have softer reflections. This wax had both. The finish had a very liquid-like shimmer and reflections in the hood of the sky and trees were bright and clearly defined. This clarity of reflection will compliment light colors like white, beige, silver, light blue and yellow.

    Clearly the chemists at 3M have created a remarkable wax. . . .

    This wax has been on our test vehicle for almost 90 days and gone through 10 car washings (by hand). Water still sheets nicely and the beads are uniform without any empty patches. This is excellent for any carnauba wax during a Florida summer. I would rate this wax's durability as above average for a carnauba wax."

    It's qualities are improved if you add 3 layers at least 1 week apart. Don't ever apply in the sun. What is fairly easy to remove becomes major difficult if allowed to bake in the sun.

    If your car is new I would recommend a paint cleansing lotion rather than a glaze. If it's older use Perfect-It Glaze and Swirl Mark Remover a mild glaze and polish. Pick the lighter one for medium to light cars and the dark one for blacks, reds, hunter greens, midnight blue etc. But the Perfect-It Paste looks good on all colors.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    I think I'm going to try 3M.
    mrdetailer, any recommendations on the cleansing lotion?
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    Just last month I used S100 Gloss Enhancing Glaze to remove water spots and then put the 3M Perfect-It Show Car Paste over it. It was awesome.

    It is the same formula as P21S Paint Cleansing Lotion. They seem to be less expensive than Pinnacle Paint Cleansing Lotion. These have absolutely no grit to add swirl marks. It brought up dirt that I couldn't even see, and this was after claying.

    When your car gets older and needs a glaze to fill in scratches the best Glaze is 3M Perfect-It machine Glaze and Swirl mark remover ( light works great, but the dark car formula is amazing on maroons and reds.) But that has a very light abrasive which I see as great on older surfaces, but not so great for the first 2-3 years. Imperial Hand Glaze and Meguiars #7 Show Car Glaze are slightly more abrasive but also work well.

    Remember that no glaze has significant abrasives like like Meguiars #3 Fine Cut Cleaner, or 3M Finesse-It. I would only use these on a newer finish in emergencies.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    Thanks for the info. I need to stop reading al the reviews and start doing! I go from 3M to Meguiars to P21S back to 3M and then someone tells me "try Klasse!" Holy mackeral it was never this tuff before the kids were born!
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    Rich, my dad lives in the Keys. Islemorada for many years and now, he is retired in Key West. He and his wife own a 2000 Honda CRV and a 2002 GMC Envoy. As you well know, South Florida is very hot and humid except for maybe late December until Easter. It rains alot? It really rains alot??? Yea, it RAINS alot in South Florida!!! Lots of heavy salt laced air when the winds are from the East, South or Northeast. Very tough conditions for any wax to last more than 6 or 8 weeks. Jeeze, I would not want to wax my vehicle every 6 to 8 weeks in the South Florida heat & humidity. Soooo, I suggest Klasse acrylic sealant. Klasse All-in-One is the easiest product I've ever used. Both my 2000 Mazda Protege's are carrying a coat Klasse AIO and a coat of Sealant Glaze. All-In-One really does clean, polish and protect in one wipe-on, wipe-off application. It removes light oxidation, visually reduces minor swirls and leaves a deep, acrylic shine that can last six months or more. Two applications a year will keep your car looking new. I helped my dad apply Klasse to his CRV and he loves the durability. He wants me to come down over Thanksgiving and detail his wife's GMC. Prolly will go down, but he can apply the Klasse himself. I'm going to the Half Shell Raw Bar for some oysters and Tequila shooters, lol!


    -Larry


    http://www.properautocare.com/index.html

    http://www.yosteveshop.homestead.com/klasseapp.html

    http://www.tacscar.com/

  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    Here is some interesting hyperlinks from CMA.


    http://www.properautocare.com/baresfornewc.html



    http://www.properautocare.com/stafrec.html

    The Reference Shine kit combines a traditional glaze waxes with both BlackFire synthetic and Pinnacle Sovereign.

    Personally I've used the synthetics and the carnaubas, and if I were in a warmer climate I would personally favor a carnauba. I like the look much better. Synthetics to me often look sterile. But I really like their durability.


    How about using both? CMA has recommended using a couple of coats of Klass All in One and then topping it with a couple of Carnauba. While I personally love 3M Perfect-It Paste for its durability, P21S sheds dirt better in a steady rain. Fewer water spots and doesn't appear as dirty. Don't know how to explain it.


    Sorry if this is adding more confusion to the pot.

  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    Thanks, mrdetailer & protegextwo. It's actually helping me more than you think. I don't know what it is about the 3M product but I think I'm going to try the Klasse topped with 3M. Now, what should I use to wash it with? Also, I need some suggestions forthe leather interior. I was thinking about Lexol.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    Lexol's products are excellent and would be good choices. Their Vinylex product is a terrific rubber dressing & tire shine and much better than those crummy silicone-based products.

    I also like Eagle One's leather care products; even better than Lexol IMO. Pinnacle makes some terrific leather care products but they're expensive. Lots of people I know like 303 Aerospace protectant for leather, vinyl, and plastic. I like 303 best on dashboards as the gloss is very muted, unlike other protectants.

    Mr. D - It's been awhile since I've been to CMA's website and had not seen those "staff recommendations" until now. I must have 75% of those products in my garage now; only a few on those lists I've never used before. Thanks for the links. Hopefully the lurkers and newbies will take that info to heart.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    Just received my Klasse AIO and sealant glaze, can't wait for the weekend!
    One question, should I wash with Dawn or does it matter?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    Most dishwashing detergents are alkaline enough to remove any old wax that's still on the car. If you got Dawn or need some for the kitchen, great. If not, use whatever you got.
  • rad714rad714 Member Posts: 14
    Thanks, it's a 2 week old 2002 blue Suburban. I'm thinkin' that I can just wash it and go to town.
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    Don't want to seal in railroad dust which contains iron filings and can scratch. Have fun.
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    If you are looking for a product to use on your Suburban I recommend Eagle One's Wax as U Dry - I use it on my hubby's SUV and it is definitely a time-saver - if your Suburban is new you may not need anything other than a wax right now -
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