Does the Protege compare in reliability to Civic or Corolla?
......and the Protege actually looks very nice, even compared to the Civic and Corolla. I just don't know much about how well they're built. The Civic and Corolla have an impeccable reputation for reliability, I was just wondering how well the Protege compares in terms of reliability.
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I see over 150 cases a week.
Check Consumer Reports for the latest ratings and it will back up my observations.
The 01 Civic only had an average rating and the 01 Corolla had above average. Only with the passage of time will the reliability of these new generations become apparent.
Both the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla as well as the Subaru Impreza are rated above the Mazda Protege.
Also on page of 162 of the same publication regarding the Mazda Protege---Quote-----------
"This small sedan has fallen behind the main competitors, the Honda Civic and the Toyota Corolla. Handling is secure, but the ride is stiff., choppy and noisy." Last road test: July 2002.
Please check these observations out in the 2003 Consumer Reports Buying Guide.
The question was about reliability, not ride quality.
And, I'll say it again, the only use I have for Consumers Reports, after being in the car business, out of the car business and now a lemon law consultant, would be for ammunition in the outhouse.
The Civic was eliminated very soon as Honda wanted 8.6% financing over 4 yrs and I wasn't thrilled about the new style of the 01 models anyway.
The Sentra was ok, but I went to drive a Protege just to see what it's like before I signed for the Sentra.
What attracted me to the Protege was the firm composed suspension with the least body roll, the fact that it gave feedback (aka: road feel) and the interior which I think is still the best out of small cars - the black interior on the ES/P5 trims that is. Oh yeah: price and financing were good too = value that is for your $.
I went and did my research: the PRO was always recommended by CR, scoring better than the Civic in 2001 and similarily to the Corolla.
What really made me buy it was how it drove - like an aspiring sports sedan, unlike the competittion that drives like a family sedan. The sporty part is what made me get it.
If you read Car and Driver's Nov 2002 issue you will find that is won a 10-car comparo once again not b/c it's the fastest of the bunch, but b/c it can be driven, while other cars drive you. A small difference you say, but it makes a big difference to me.
The Civic came #5 - they labelled it "a loser from Honda".
I now have just a little over 30.000 miles (48.000 kms) on my 2001 ES and I am VERY happy with this car - it makes me smile everytime I wanna push in in turns, it can go on hwy ramps w/out braking, faster than other cars.
The ES comes standard w/ABS, 16" alloys, spoiler, etc. The car is put together very well - no rattles, quality interior materials.
I drove a 2003 Corolla (a friend's) extensively and I can say that car accelerated much faster than the PRO and the ride is more comfortable. However, on those ramps where my PRO can go w/out touching the brakes, the Corolla had to be slowed down... Personally I like road feel and a firm suspension with more noise in the cabin over a hush-hush ride and tipsy cornering.
I'd definitely do it again if I were in the market for that sort of car.
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The Protege was a fine automobile three years ago but it doesn't compare in build quality to either the Toyota or the Honda counterpart. J D Powers proves this in its research.
Both sources are "for profit" organizations.
My cousin bought a '99 Civic LX around the same time I bought my Protegé. She drives far less aggressively than I do and hashad constant trouble with warped brake rotors.
Yes, people have had issues, but so do all car owners. I think you'll find, however, that in general the issues have been minor.
I've had no problems with my 2000 ES. I'm close to 20,000 miles now, and very happy.
Good luck making your decision!
Let's face it, Mazda is nothing more than a mid level car company at best!
Hence the herd goes to Honda and Toyota for reliable, but very average vehicles in terms of driving fun.
Have you ever driven a Protege (ES, P5, MP3) and a Corolla S or Civic LX back to back?
I know you haven't b/c if you did, you wouldn't have posted that message.
Well, enjoy the herd
mott--go hide under a bridge.
Having driven the Automatic versions of the 2003 Corolla, Civic, and Protege5 (and 2001 Protege sedan) this week while shopping for a new car for my wife, I can say that the Honda and the Mazda seem tighter and more solidly built. The Corolla was quietest on the highway, but it is a buzzy affair getting there. The Civic had the best engine/transmission combo and highway ride. The Protege had the best seating position by far(don't even get me started on the Corolla), best handling, and scored poorly only in fuel economy. Well, I will take the hit in fuel economy to actually have a car that is comfortable to drive, especially over long distances. When talking about Japanese (the Protege being the only one actually built in Japan any more) economy sedans, these are the issues that are important. Reliability was perfected by these companies long ago.
If the Protege was as great as everyone says it is, how come customers are not flocking to Mazda dealerships in the hundreds? A month or so ago, I so zero percent financing by Mazda for 5 years,
how come I haven't seen Protege's all over the road?
Mazda was trying to give them away and no one went for the carrot. The next thing you people will start telling me is that the Yugo was the forerunner to the Protege and it was just as good a car!
What makes the Civic and Corolla so much better? Do they handle better than the Protege? Are they more fun to drive? Do they look better? Are they a better value? Are they built in Japan? Do they come with 4 wheel disc brakes? No, no, no, no, no, and no. Thanks! Come again!
Just because you may not like Mazda doesn't make you right. And you don't have any idea how many Mazdas were sold - you're quoting statistics from what you see on the road - not very scientific for a basis for an argument.
And, no, I don't own a Mazda.
#1 sold car in Quebec
#3 sold car in Canada
As for rust, old PROs are in better shape than old Civics. I used to have a Civic - it had rust holes in it by 2000 (it was a 93 model).
Canadians prefer smaller cars than Americans -there really is no need for an Accord, when a Civic will do the same job but for less. That's just my opinion, but then again, I like small European cars and detest large sedans, minivans and trucks (aka: SUVs).
a) Honda/Toyota have more name recognition.
b) Mazda's typically ride more harshly in the opinion of the typical appliance driver
A driving enthusiast will probably like the Protege better than the other two. A toaster driver will probably like the Honda or Toyota more.
However, I wonder if mott_da_hoople uses the same logic to choose the best burger.
Just because McDonalds sells the most hamburgers, doesn't mean they make the best hamburgers.
Expert in bad logic.