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New S40/V50



  • mkupetz1mkupetz1 Posts: 1
    I was just wondering if anyone knows whether there is an aux-in available for the premium audio package on the new S40 2.5T? I'd like to be able to plug-in an mp3 player or even my laptop to here those played over the car speakers. Any info is greatly appreciated!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    how much $$$ in terms of incentives will be tossed onto the outdated S60.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    advertised in the newspaper for under $22k.

    & the old S40 is advertised for under $20k.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Prices will overlap for a while, then.

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    & will be "reincarnated" from the S60/S80 platform. It is expected that Ford will have to be ultra talented in tuning this chassis dynamically in order to keep the next Mondeo fun to drive.

    I wonder how will the Chevy Cobalt behave. The Euro version of it -- the new Astra -- is already seeking Lotus's help to tune it!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    That I'm actually excited about an upcoming Volvo! Just to give some background, my experience with Volvos isn't too good. My family had a 1985 740 Turbo (bought new) that actually dropped dead when the odometer hit the 85,000 mile mark. We had a slew of problems with it as well. My neighbor recently returned a 2001 V70 T5 wagon when his lease was up. The car was in for service 48 times during his 39 month lease. After the 31st time in for service, Volvo actually refunded him one month's lease payment. I know in general that most people have Volvos and they run forever and 2 days.

    I think the 2004.5 S40 is so cool! I like the bull nose styling, short overhangs, and the interior looks nice too. The styling is very BMW 3 series meets Lexus IS300 (which I like). Volvo seats are ultra-comfy.

    The car is priced very well in this super competitve segment. You get a lot of features for your dollar as well.

    I read originally that the car was also going to be available with AWD as an option on the T5 and that Volvo was going to bring an R version of the S40 here too. Is this still true?

    I'm excited for a T5 AWD w/ a six speed!

    All the magazine reviews for the car so far have been stellar!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    The FWD will understeer as well as torque-steer (hopefully not as bad as the Saab 9-3 I used to own). The AWD will help put the power to the pavement more easily.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Instead of choices of leather, leatherette & cloth like the Passat or Canadian 3-series, or the IS300's Escaine/leather besides the std black-only cloth & optional full leather, the S40 has std cloth, premium-package leather, & sport-package/turbo outdoor-type fabric called T-tech. Like the Mazda3, either beige or black.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I drove the S60 FWD and AWD back-to-back, the AWD model was superior in every way. Even if we ignore traction on the wet/soapy tarp, which was obviously much better, it handled better in the turns with far less understeer.

    Torque steer was eliminated completely. It was more neutral in general.

    The AWD option was worth every penny for the upgrade, in fact I wouldn't get the S60/V70 without it. It's also very quick-acting and engages smoothly. Impressive.

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    while test reports mentioned that the S40/V50 T-5 AWD only does understeer.
  • boydocboydoc Posts: 3
    If the new S40 has a nonturbo engine, will it take regular gas. Any damage if we don't use premium?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Even if premium gas is required. All premium-gas(& even most regular-gas) engines these days have knock sensor that automatically retards the ignition to prevent pinging. But using regular on a premium engine wastes both power & fuel economy, adds & wear.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Sorry about the lateness. Yes, I did try out the rear seat at the dealer and before at the auto show - it is indeed smaller. That, though, is the only thing I found wrong with the S40. I'm hoping to soon sit in a V50 and see if there is a slight difference in legroom.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    & tilt it high so you can keep it as much forward as possible w/o restricting your stretch-out front leg room, then go to the back & it's nearly as roomy as the Mazda3 sedan, at least on the right side.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    the T-5 does not have the sport suspension std despite having everything else the 2.4i's sport package got such as the 6.5"-wide rims, front spoiler/fog lights & T-tech fabric.

    So now we have 4 different combinations:

    2.4i w/ 6"-wide rims

    2.4i sport w/ 6.5"-wide rims

    T-5 w/ 6.5"-wide rims

    T-5 sport w/ plus-1-diameter 17"s

    So far one Brit magazine found the T-5 flawed because the ride over bumpy roads isn't so great & suspected the 17"s to be the culprit.

    According to my yrs of "Focus" experience, the firmer setting is less than ideal for comfort, such as the Euro-spec suspension found in the Street Edition Focus sedan/wagon, or the one-choice Mazda3 suspension. Eventhough either one is lowered like the Focus SVT suspension.

    According to my test drive in the Volvo All Access Drive event, both 2.4i w/ 16"s & T-5 w/ 17"s handled great w/ little roll, but the bumps weren't thrown into the test tracks for us to experience. I wonder why. I'm sure these cars we drove are equipped w/ the sport suspension.

    As I pushed down the corners from outside the car w/ my body weight, I discovered that the T-5 on stage actually has a softer suspension w/ slower rebound for relaxing ride comfort more so than the red 2.4i below the stage.

    I think my future test drive of both suspensions over bumpy roads should confirm that only the std suspension will ride sufficiently comfortably to compete w/ the std 325i while the sport suspension is design to compete w/ the rest of the 3-series w/ sport suspension.

    Sounds like the T-5's std suspension w/ 6.5"-wide rim is the right combo for me, since I corner pretty fast & will find the 2.4i's std 6" rim too narrow to hold the tires from dragging the sidewall.

    So if I buy the 2.4i w/o sport suspension, then I still have to spend at least several hundred bucks more to change the rim size.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Since the turbo model has slightly higher displacement than the non-turbo model to begin with, both engines should have about the same power w/o the turbo boost.

    So when driving the stick shift at low rpm & need an instant burst of power such as when a lane-change opportunity suddenly opens up, is it faster to step on the turbo engine & wait for the pressure to boost in about 1/2 second? Or is it faster to down shift, turbo or non-turbo, to use the normally-aspirated power already exists in the higher rpm range?

    During the '80's, Honda invented an "auto 1/2-gear down shift" feature for the manual-tranny Honda City when the driver floors the throttle as if when he needs to pass another car right away w/ no time to down shift.

    I think the soft-response effect of the turbo engine should help to damp some manual cars' jerkiness.

    The only disadvantage of the turbo is when the boost comes on just a tad later, will it be too strong that you have to back off the throttle again? Such as when you need to fine tune a line when cornering. Or I simply have to use a lower gear to run at higher rpm in order to avoid using turbo-boost while fine tuning a line?

    Unlike the weak-low-end TSX's engine that having close ratios in its 6-sp manual seems to be a necessity. The T-5's super-flexible engine can afford to keep the first 5 gears wide apart, while the 6th is just a luxury "silent" gear that also keeps the hwy fuel consumption economy-car decent! This is something the Mazda3 owners envy.

    Otherwise, the $2800 T-5 upgrade sounds like a bargain w/ the right-size rims, fog lights & one more taller cruising gear to saves fuel, noise & engine wear. Plus pwr driver seat, T-tech fabric, leather shift knob, steering-wheel audio control(worth $45 to deduct the price off the $895 stereo upgrade), trip computer, dual-zone auto climate control(hopefully the charcoal filter w/ smog-detecting recirculation will be included for N.A. by '05) & trunk 12-Volt socket.

    Anyone seen the base T-5 w/o the pwr passenger seat? Does it have wood or aluminum trim? The brochure lists both std.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    T5 has wood standard

    w/ any car in a cornering situation @ speed you should use the lowest gear practical.
    This way you can stay in the engines power band and build power coming out of the turn.
    For example, you wouldn't take a curve in a Honda S2000 in 5th gear, you'd be in 2nd or 3rd to stay in the engines power band.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    despite that I'm not a wood person. The silver, both in the std plastic & the optional aluminum, feels uncomfortably metal-ish, as if that thin center stack can cut you if you brace your right leg on it during hard cornering. Neither do I feel more comfortable putting my palm on it at the door armrest than the wood panel. Besides, it's kind of an annoying color not too different from the Dodge 600/New Yorker K-car from the '80's or even the old Caddy chrome. My '76 Chevette had silver plastic panels everywhere.

    The wood center stack looks thicker as if it was intentional to use a piece of thick curved wood as part of the structure in this FANCY interior design.

    The aqua-transparent looks gross & messy.

    A glossy piano-black, which is not available, should look nice despite ruining the visual contrast w/ the tiny black switches.

    Now I have another $-saving reason to upgrade to the std T-5. ;-)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    So I demand the charcoal filter to be included in the N.A.-market S40, at least w/ the auto climate control, hopefully by the '05 model year. That's how BMW does it -- the Canadian 320i w/o optional auto climate control has no charcoal. Getting the T-5 is the only way to get the auto climate control w/o requiring the moonroof or leather, both of which I hate.

    For only $500 more than the 2.4i w/ auto climate control, which requires the premium package that consists of moonroof & leather, you can get the std T-5, which has everthing(auto climate, wood, pwr driver seat, etc.) in the 2.4i's premium package except the moonroof & leather, everything in the 2.4i's sport package except the firmer suspension, & even part of the 2.4i's convenient package(trip computer) plus the T-5's exclusive trunk 12-volt socket. But it is the T-5's manual tall 6th gear I'll be proud of. ;-) Imagine a powerful sports car that also cruises relaxingly.

    & while cruising, the on-demand full-torque thrust is just half-a-second away starting at 1500 rpm! & if you don't like the half-a-second delay, you can always down shift to any of the several gears available & see which way is quicker. Sounds like either way will be fun!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 24,936
    You sound like a perfect candidate for overseas delivery. Could be real hard to find what you are looking for in stock, and not sure how easy it will be to order one. Resale down the line (for a cloth non-slider) will be your problem!

    In the past, you could actually do Euro delivery and configure a car in a way that wasn't available in the US (much more ala carte, with a whole slew of stand-along options). IIRC, on the S60, you could get the base car w/power passenger seat (N/A at all normally), Homelink by itself (package only normally), and a bunch of other tidbits.

    Just a thought about how to get your somewhat unique configuration and color.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    then I'd do it!
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The car in question has to have the option available. 2005 S40's will be available in Aug-Sept for Euro Delivery.
  • josh684josh684 Posts: 55
    Anyone know what kind of fuel is reccomended for the new S40, is it 91 Octane?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    I currently own a 1988 BMW 325. I'm hoping to buy something else. The S60 is not sporty enough. I waited over 8 months for the 2004.5 S40. I have seen all the pictures on the web and finally sat in one today at a dealer.

    I was extreemly disappointed in the interior. It looks really cheap and the center console is a joke. I felt like I was in a rental.

    It was a good idea but looks like Volvo screwed this up. No way is this worth 27.1K for leather and moonroof. This is an over priced Ford Focus.
  • Check out the Mazda3. Same platform, lower price, feels like much higher quality. Definitely qualifies for the term "sporty" though it wouldn't be considered a "near-luxury" marque like BMW and Volvo (Even though you can get it with Nav, and leather, and pretty much HAVE to get it with a sunroof).

    You might be better off waiting for the 2-series though. But there was a recent article in AutoWeek about how it's going to be VERY difficult for the Euro brands to keep from raising their prices because of the strength of the Eurodollar.
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