Subaru XT Turbo Forester

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  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    For $12 grand less than the XC70 Ocean Drive I'll take the performance and customer satisfaction offered by the FXT. ;)

    The Cobb upgrades can improve performance with little effect on fuel efficiency, aftermarket tinting gives owners a choice in how dark they want their windows (35/20 for me looks great and keeps things much cooler) and the driving position seems to favor certain body types over others. I'm perfectly comfortable in mine for hours at a time. Telescoping wheel and steering wheel controls would be fantastic, as would a larger fuel tank and OEM tires specific to the performance levels of the XT, but for an extra 12 large I can live without; although I'm sure we'll see these things on the next Forester redesign. Plus a friend who rented an XC70 recently reported back that it drove like a truck. :P

    After a tuning-related dip, I'm back to getting 23mpg in mixed freeway/city driving. Anything less than 18mpg can easily be blamed on purely city driving and local traffic conditions. 13mpg is ridiculous however, and at that point I think I'd either put my foot on a diet or take the car back to the dealership. This engine warms up within the first mile, and shouldn't be that bad around town.

    Doug
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Hey Smantha I'm pretty sure we told you to get your windows tinted when you bought your FXT :) Tinting really does make a huge difference in cooling the interior. Of course it helps to keep in mind that the "greenhouse" effect you're experiencing is a good thing because it's a direct result of having one of the best 360 views of any make or model (no blindspots) :shades:

    -Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My tint looks good after 9 years...and I got the cheap ol' dyed SolarGard film. Nothing special. $140 for 7 windows all around.

    -juice
  • kumarikumari Member Posts: 72
    Thanks for the responses. Wholesale cost for tinting in my area is $175 (that's for all the windows on the car). The manager of my Subaru dealership gave me the number of the guy that they use. They mark it up to $300 or more, but they are letting me go direct. Since I've been getting sunburned THRU the windshield, I'm thinking of also giving it a light tint (it's illegal, but I'll take my chances). Something about the angle of the windshield is causing the sun to reflect off the hood and right onto my chest and face. And, this is after 3-4 pm, when the sun isn't supposed to be very strong. I'm wondering if there's such a thing as a UV coating in the tint?

    Also, met someone in a parking lot who had the same car and he's been having the trouble with rocks chipping his windshield, so he installed a plastic front "spoiler" which is curved to deflect the rocks. He says it's helped. Since I've read on here about others having this problem, I thought I'd let you know.

    Also, anyone else having issues with heat in the drivers leg box area? It seems to be radiating off the left side of the console, because when I touch the corresponding side on the passenger's side of the console, it's not hot. Some nights it gets so hot in the legbox area that I double check to make sure I haven't accidentally pushed the seatwarmer button!

    Samantha

    Samantha
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    Also, met someone in a parking lot who had the same car and he's been having the trouble with rocks chipping his windshield, so he installed a plastic front "spoiler" which is curved to deflect the rocks. He says it's helped. Since I've read on here about others having this problem, I thought I'd let you know.

    Sounds like the hood/wind deflector accessory, which SOA does not offer for the 06+ facelifted XT, as it hinders air flow into the hood scoop. I've communicated with SOA directly regarding this issue as I'm one of those who have had problems with cracked windshields.

    Doug
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Having owned several trucks, all 4WD models, I can honestly testify that the XC70 does not drive like one. Rather it has a luxurious feel to it and with the Goodyear Triples on, it grips the road like a sports car. Granted, it is not as nimble as the FXT due to the weight. If/when Subaru moves forward and offers the features I appreciate, I may decide to review their product again.

    :shades:
  • kev_xt_ownerkev_xt_owner Member Posts: 41
    I was under the impression auto glass already absorbed a large percentage of UV rays. Absorbing the rays helps prevent the interior from fading and the plastic pieces from cracking.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    The glass absorbs most - but not all - of the UV which can be particularly intense in Arizona because of the elevation and extremely dry air.

    tidester, host
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Since I've been getting sunburned THRU the windshield, I'm thinking of also giving it a light tint (it's illegal, but I'll take my chances).

    Apparently a few states let you tint your front windshield if you can produce a prescription from your doctor. Otherwise you may have trouble finding an installer willing to tint it for you.

    This was a similar thread a while back:

    tdoh, "2007 Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon" #985, 11 May 2006 10:45 am

    Steve, Host
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Having owned several trucks, all 4WD models, I can honestly testify that the XC70 does not drive like one.

    And you wouldn't expect it to either since it's really just a tall wagon on a car platform. So is the FXT for that matter :shades:

    -Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The XC70 I test drove was very floaty, it never settled down on an on-ramp, for instance. I've been told the air suspension is vastly better, but I have not tried it.

    -juice
  • maunderwoodmaunderwood Member Posts: 4
    I just bought an 06 Turbo FXT and I went to Oreilly's Auto Parts and they sent me home with a WIX 51365 filter. Wow, what a tiny little thing, kind of a let-down. This may have come from an 05 model parts lookup. Did they change it for 06? Can somebody tell me where the oil filter is even located? Is it hiding behind that huge black plastic splash guard? Way the heck back there, perhaps under the passenger compartment there is a huge easily accesible drain pan with a spin-on filter right beside it but what looked like an oil filter actually said "automatic transmission". Well, that can't be it then.

    I didn't remove the splash guard to look some more because I was too lazy to remove all the damn bolts holding it on. 4 bolts or 6 bolts? I say to hell with splash guards anyway. Geez, do I need to whip out my air wrench?

    Is it also really that necessary to buy aluminum crush washers with every oil change? I've been re-using my Honda Civic one for 30 oil changes with no leaks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I would not re-use it more than once. It's a few pennies vs. a potential oil leak that'll cost you thousands. Just buy a handful from the hardware store.

    My Subaru dealer throws them in when I buy oil filters.

    -juice
  • maunderwoodmaunderwood Member Posts: 4
    Yeah you're probably right. I'll buy the crush washers. How much do you pay per filter at the dealer? I heard purolator is the OEM supplier for Subaru anyway...and Advance Auto sells the Purolator PureOne filter for around $5 or $6.

    Also, where is the oil filter located on the engine? Just a quick glance revealed only the transmission filter for me.
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    Your engine oil filter is hiding behind that the trap door with 6 clips. There's a diagram in your owner's manual.

    Edit: Also, if you're replacing the filter during your oil change, you'll require 5 qts of oil. There is a typo in the owner's manual stating you should refill it with 4.2 qts.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I bought a case several years ago and they were $4 per. Probably more now.

    -juice
  • merlinf18merlinf18 Member Posts: 2
    How do you get the glove compartment off after you remove the 9 screws on a '04 Forester? Thanks.

    Kev
  • kev_xt_ownerkev_xt_owner Member Posts: 41
    Once you remove all the screws (9 sounds right but I don't recall specifically), it's just a matter of pulling the glove compartment out of some "plugs". I believe there are more of these plugs on the right than on the left. The compartment comes out with a section of the dash area around it (basically the trim around the glove compartment and to the right of the compartment).

    I've done that several times on my 04 XT to replace the cabin air filter. It's a little disconcerting the first time as you're not completely sure you have all the screws undone. So, just be observant to see if you have indeed removed the correct screws.
  • lyndblyndb Member Posts: 6
    I have an '05 XT w/ 17K mi. and my OEM Yokos are worn enough to need replacement. Anyone had good luck with alternatives? I'm not impressed with performance or mileage. I'd consider tires that are an improvement in either. Recs will be appreciated!

    Lynd
    Woodside CA USA
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I just ordered a set of Falken Ziex 512s from Vulcantire.com, they were $55 a pop, plus about $10 per tire for delivery. Great price, and CR rated them quite well and a Best Buy.

    I was happy because even for a basic Bridgestone tire the price at Costco was about $99 per.

    This is for size 215/60R16, what you have I believe.

    -juice
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    17k miles and in need of replacement? You give me hope that I will have an excuse to buy new tires soon, seeing as how I've got 12.5K on mine after 9 months of use.

    There is still plenty of tread left, but the sidewalls are taking a beating, even keeping the pressure at 36/35 psi.

    To answer your question, I have been window-shopping new tires for about 3 months now, and am considering the Goodyear Triple Tread, BF Goodrich Traction T/A, and Bridgestone Potenza G009.

    The latter two are both high performance all seasons so should boost performance, and the GYTT generally gets excellent reviews as an all season tire, even in performance categories. To get the GYTT in an H speed rating, you'll have to go to "plus zero" sizing (225/60/16). I'll probably go to plus zero regardless of which tire I get though, just for the slightly wider tread.

    And for a slightly more budget tire with good performance, the Falken ZE512 has an excellent reputation.

    Doug
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    I just got Yoko Avid V4S for my Lexus and will be getting the Avid H4S for my FXT when the original Geos wear out. Yokohama makes a sturdy tire. No problems with the Geos so far at 35K miles. Still plenty of tread left.
    Stay away from Dunlop - weak, puncture-prone tires.
  • lyndblyndb Member Posts: 6
    Yes, 17K. Sad but true. I've been running at 33/32. My tread wear is pretty even, but a maybe little more so on the shoulders than down the center. I live in the mountains, and hardly ever get to drive in a straight line. :)

    I've had good luck with various Bridgestones on previously owned Maximas, and on motorcycles. Still have Yokos on my '03 WRX, however.

    Thanks, everyone, for the great rec's!

    Lynd
  • tangerinedreamtangerinedream Member Posts: 6
    I have an '05 XT with 18,000 miles and no driving problems... but the transmission fluid is black. I bought a new filter and fluid, and the service guy said to just keep an eye on it for now. Has anyone else had this happen? Any ideas?
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I assume you mean "auto" since it has a filter.

    Black means it got hot. Hot auto tranny fluid quickly loses its ability to protect the tranny.

    Usually results in a much shorter life for the unit, hopefully you caught it in time.

    John
  • maunderwoodmaunderwood Member Posts: 4
    Thanks for the heads up on the quantity typo in the manual and also the location. I guess I should've checked the owners manual but I didn't anticipate any useful info. in there. I usually buy a factory service manual, but lately the only ones I can find are on CD. I wonder if I were to buy the one on ebay that only goes up to the 2004 model year... will that cover my 2006?

    I used a measuring cup to see how much oil went into the drain pan after removing the filter and drain plug...it measured 4 Qts plus 28 oz. I guess a little was stuck in the filter and wouldn't drain out, although I tried my best to measure every drop that came out of the engine. The only thing that has me concerned is is this: before I drained the oil, I checked the dipstick. The engine was cold and it looked like the oil level was well beyond the "full" dot. It was almost up to the "notch". It's funny how the manual tells you not to fill beyond the full dot when the engine is cold to allow for thermal expansion, and yet the factory seems to have done just that.

    I'm curious to see where the level shows up on the dipstick after adding 4.2 Quarts and running it for a couple minutes to get some soaked into the oil filter, and then let it rest for a couple minutes just to see where the level ends up settling. Or even try 4.5 quarts for that matter.
  • maunderwoodmaunderwood Member Posts: 4
    For having only driven 3000 miles in my 2006 Turbo, I'm surprised at the hellacious number of tiny rock chips on the windshield. Why do I get the feeling that this is some sort of glass defect?
  • tangerinedreamtangerinedream Member Posts: 6
    Yes, it's auto, and we drained and replaced about 6 quarts of fluid. It looked just like used up oil. I saved a quart of it, plus the filter (dark and kind of corroded-looking) and plan to take both to the dealer.

    God help you if you try to check your tranny fluid yourself. The dipstick is nearly impossible to reach. The dealer just kept saying "it's back there", and they were right, but I was lucky to get my arm back out. Quite frustrating, after a few fairly non-helpful calls to the service department.

    I guess I'll just drive it awhile and check the fluid periodically before taking it to the service people. Still don't know why it would be black or why the transmission would overheat - I don't haul anything and have just had normal driving conditions.
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    I had 2 windshields cracked beyond repair within the first 7500 miles on my 06 XT. Your "feeling" is shared by many Forester owners.

    Doug
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    It's not Subaru. I think it's the type of material used in windshield. My BMW shared the same issues.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My wife went through two windshields on her 626. And guess what? We sold it with the 3rd one already cracked!

    -juice
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    At around 28K my fluid was brown. Not black, but definitely brown. I'm not in the habit of checking the fluid regularly on the XT as the stick is indeed a horror show to get to and I can't remember when I've seen fluid this dark with less than 100k on it. Subaru doesn't even rate it as an inspection item until the 30K service.

    Anyway, I had the dealer do a drain and fill as soon as I noticed it - only good for about 3.5 quarts, then I did 3 more drain and fills myself over the next month. It's been 8k since then (now at 36k), and the fluid is still red/pink.

    When it was brown, it smelled really, really bad.

    Don't know why it got that hot- no pulling trailers, no driving that should abuse the tranny. Also, never saw an AT overtemp light.

    BTW - after all the drain and fills, I've found getting the stick in and out is an "acquired" skill. Still a pain, but less so now.
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Of the list of service items you provided, you can likely do many of them yourself:

    Replace Oil & Filter (I do this myself every 5K miles with MobilOne, or you can pay $20 at an independent service station)
    Supply lubrication as required - Isn't the subie a sealed chassis? I don't think this is necessary.
    Check & inspect for fluid leaks - You can bend over and look, it's free. :-)
    Inspect & top off all fluids - Open hood, read owners manual section on maintanance, free.
    Inspect tire wear & condition - Tires should be rotated every 7500 miles, costs about $20 a pop at an independent garage.
    Check & adjust tire pressure - $2 for a tire pressure gauge.
    Rotate & balance front tires - See above.
    Check battery & charging system - Eh... I would have this done at 11K only if having issues.
    Check all fluid supply hoses - Open hood, open eyes. Free.
    Check & adjust rear brakes as needed - Ask the guys (or girls!) doing your tire rotation to peak at your breaks (free).
    Insert fuel injector cleaner/additive $5 at the auto parts store, pour in gas tank
    Check all engine settings - You'd need special equiptment, you can put this off until 30K if you don't have any issues.
    Inspect axles and C/V joints - this is another "look under the car" item. If you don't know what the rubber boots look like or what a leaky axel joint looks like, you can have the oil change or tire guys peak at these items for you for free .
    Check all lights - That's a no-brainer.

    So ... in my opinion, even without being or knowing an auto mechanic, you can get away with this service interval for under $30. Sorry you paid a little more. :-( I think the service intervals themselves are very important. But I don't think you need to go to the dealer to have them done competently.

    -Elissa
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Perhaps you know someone with skinny long arms to help check the tranny fluid? I am the owner of two of those assets and don't have much trouble with the task (although I can see how it can be a real ordeal for others). BTW - My '04 XT has 21K miles and both the ATF and the diff fluid look a good color, but the front diff seems a bit shy of full for the last 5K miles.
    e
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Hi Elissa,

    Skinny long arms would indeed be an asset for that dipstick.

    BTW - It's unusual for the diff to go down, esp with so few miles. When that happened on my wife's OBW, it turned out to be leaking into the transmission. $4800 warranty repair.

    I still don't pretend to understand why the diff fluid was going into the transmission and not the other way around i.e. slightly pink diff fluid.

    But - then again my XT is the first tranny with brown fluid I've ever had.

    Might be worth getting it checked, although under the 5/60 you've still got plenty of time.

    HTH
    Larry
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    Yesterday I noticed that when my XT's engine is hot my coolant is barely above the "Low" marker; when the engine is cold it is about 1 inch under "Low". No visible leaks around the connection points on the hoses, but one hose leading from the top of the reservoir was coated with dried white residue that flaked off pretty easily.

    This is an 06 XT with 13,500 miles on it. I did some backreading and coolant loss seemed to be an issue with earlier XTs (like the 04s) when the model was still new.

    I considered just topping it off myself and keeping an eye on it, but with my car still being under warranty for the next two years, and the fact that this should not be happening, I'm making an appointment w/the local dealership to check it out for leaks and refill it. I want it documented unless problems should arise later.

    Anyone else had this problem lately? Any suggestions?

    Doug
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I've gone through 1 qt of coolant in 3 1/2 years and 55,000 miles. It may just be evaporation. Not sure where it has gone. I haven't changed my OEM antifreeze yet.

    Not really worried, this doesn't strike me as a problem.

    John
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Recently, I've begun to hear an oscillating type of whining noise that begins to be noticeable at about 2k RPM and blends in with everything else by 3k RPM. It's really hard to explain it. Think "reeoo reeoo reeoo". It's engine speed related, not vehicle speed.

    With the windows up, it's not noticeable. Engine is running fine with almost 16k miles on it, smooth acceleration, power is all there, etc. Just this pesky noise.

    I'm thinking it's maybe a heat shield or something, though a coworker mentioned that alternators can whine. Regardless, it's at the dealer who probably thinks I'm just hearing things. I did explain to them that I'd rather be driving my XT than the T&C loaner they gave me, I'm not sure they picked up on that though.

    -Brian
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    It's "normal" Power steering pump noise apparently, or it falls into "within specs". Everything is operating properly, so they'll leave it for now. That's fine, at least it confirms I wasn't hearing things - at least while driving!

    I can't imagine it going away, I bet it'll eventually get louder or more persistent.

    -Brian
  • done37done37 Member Posts: 64
    My 05 XT only Needed new front tires at 20k. I did not rotate at all, the rears looked practically new. The fronts wore on the edges looking like low on inflation pressure problems, but I know thats not the problem since I am anal about keeping my pressures higher than recommended (about 33 psi). I also like to drive like a maniac around corners. I put my fronts on my back and backs on the front and hope to go another 20k :D
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    done37,

    Your car will last a LOT longer if you religiously rotate every 7500 miles. In fact you may be voiding the drivetrain warranty by failing to do so.

    You should always replace all 4 tires at the same time.

    John
  • terry92270terry92270 Member Posts: 1,247
    You should be "anal" about following the tire manufacturer's inflation reccomendations. Not under, not over.

    FYI, over-inflation can cause wear just the same as low inflation. ;)

    "Driving like a maniac around corners" breaks down the sidewalls pretty fast, so moving them to the rear wheels only sets you up for a catastrophic, and possibly fatal, failure. :(
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    The dealership called this week doing their own little survey for how things went with my service experience. I mentioned I wasn't happy with the outcome, especially since something was identified as the cause (even though it may be operating normally). So, the service manager of the dealership actually came to my house today, lives just a couple of blocks away and listened to the noise.

    He's going to check if there are any bulletins out there on it, but he figures they'll just replace the power steering pump sometime next week.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    At least they care enough to send someone out. Let us know what results from this...

    -juice
  • terry92270terry92270 Member Posts: 1,247
    You should most certainly call the dealership's General Manager, and tell him how happy you are the Service Manager stopped by. That is his boss, and he should know that guy is going the extra mile. :)

    We all need to encourage, through praise, when a dealership employee does those things!
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I'll probably wait until I take my FXT in *and* get it back *and* it's quiet. :)

    I have checked the other forum sites out there, would seem like my ps noise is isolated to just me.

    -Brian
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Yesterday, the service mgr stopped by with his own vehicle and took my F-XT in. He lives only a few blocks from us, which is fine, saves me a 45 minute round trip. Calls me today: it's not the power steering pump making the noise, it's actually the idler pulley nearby that is the culprit. In fact, when they removed it, it was not able to spin very freely. This is not stocked as well, but may be at the shop by tomorrow afternoon, if not Friday AM.

    Again, I don't think I've read of any idler pulley issues with Subies, so this is an isolated incident.

    -Brian
  • done37done37 Member Posts: 64
    Hey Brian, thanks for the update! I will have to keep an eye on my subie FXT. I have a little whine which I associated with the P.S. pump, but maybe its not. I will check my belt pulleys. Thanks again!

    Don
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Got the XT back tonight. All I can say is W O W. :surprise:

    I must have been living with the whiny idler pulley for a while, I can't remember my XT being this quiet. They also changed the oil, which wasn't necessary since I use Mobil-1, but a nice thing anyway.

    The service manager really stepped up here as well. One happy camper here.

    -Brian
  • terry92270terry92270 Member Posts: 1,247
    Nice to read a happy and quick solution!

    Good thing they changed that oil however, as even using Mobil 1, it will void your warranty going over the Subaru change guideline..... ;)
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