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Chevrolet Cobalt



  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    Something is rotten in Denmark here...


    If it's true that a Cobalt has been in the shop since December 22, if I were the owner of the car, I'd be researching the lemon law in my state. Most likely the car qualifies, having been out-of-service for more than 30 days in the first year.


    At the least, the owner should have called Chevrolet and opened a file - sometimes that can expedite things (GM may not know what this dealer is doing). At least demand to speak with Executive Relations. If they do fix the car soon, you may get an extended warranty for free out of this.


    Hope this helps,



    who is very familiar with this process, having purchased a lemon GTO from a dealer with a questionable service department, only to watch the whole situation spiral down (GM eventually replaced the car)...
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I'd say 3/4 + of cars on the road have poor back seats because front seat comfort is what matters to 98% of people and back seats are for the kids or are empty.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,974
    Vanman, that is a copout. When we're talking about 3,000 lb plus sedans, it's not acceptable to put in Camaro backseats.


    I'm not the tallest guy (5'7") but when I have backseat passengers in my Altima, people comment on how much room they have in the back. When I drive my Mom's Impala or Dad's Century, the backseat passengers are cramped.


    Being that the Altima is about the same length (maybe smaller) why can Nissan put a real backseat in and the General can't?


    Also, the always put the backseat 2 inches off of the floor so that they can brag about headroom but you can't even sit with your legs flat on the seat.


    Don't be an apologist for the General. They can do wrong.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I am not apologizing for anyone. You are comparing apples and oranges. The Cobalt is a compact car, the Altima is a midsize. My midsize Olds Intrigue has lots of back seat space also. Sit in the back seat of a Civic, it's tight also. Nature of the (compact car) beast.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,974
    "I'd say 3/4 + of cars on the road have poor back seats"


    I'm comparing the Altima to the Impala and Century. Both of those cars are at least the same saze as my Alt and have cramped back seats just like most GM cars. Even in their generally good review of the STS, C & D chided it for having a cramped backseat. That car is $62,000 and probably at least 3,7oo pounds.


    Maybe all GM cars have crappy backseats, but I don't think that 3/4 of all cars have poor backseats.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    The topic is Cobalt so I am comparing it to other compact cars which very typically do have small back spaces.


    If you want to talk midsize cars, I have sat in an Impala and I found the back seat to have lots of space. My parents have a LeSabre and it has a huge back space. My Intrigue also has very nice space in the back seat, our adult passengers are always comfortable.


    Do you spend a lot of time in back seats? If you want big back seat you need to get a mid-size car. Compact cars just do not have big back seats. Laws of physics.
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    Coupes are still very hard to find, and automatic coupes don't exist.


    Sad really, I need to buy a car soon and I guess I'll have no choice but to go with an Elantra because I can't even test drive a Cobalt Coupe auto.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    " Coupes are still very hard to find, and automatic coupes don't exist.


    Sad really, I need to buy a car soon and I guess I'll have no choice but to go with an Elantra because I can't even test drive a Cobalt Coupe auto. " -end quote-


    Hey, why not get a Mazda3, which is really cool to drive and has telescopic steering wheel, and good gas mileage.

    And there is the Honda Civic HX 36/44 MPG gas mileage.

    If you want a basic car, and can find one in a Honda Accord, those are actually around $17K, not sure it includes air, and it gets around 34MPG. Heck, if the Mazda dealer has '04 Mazda6 left in stock, those are starting at $15,999. And '05 Mazda3 for $14,999
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    The Mazda3 isn't in the same price range as a fully equipped automatic Cobalt or Elantra.


    By the time I add AC, ABS and Side Airbags to the auto Mazda3 we are talking over $17k. Mazda makes you take 16" alloy wheels if you want ABS. I can get a Loaded Elantra GLS 5-Door for $14k.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    A fully equipped automatic Cobalt is in the 18-19K range, Im not sure I follow your example?


  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    I don't know what your idea of "fully equipped" is, but I'm just talking about ABS and Side airbags, which to me should be standard anyways.

    With those features the Cobalt auto is ~$15k.


    The Mazda3 doesn't even come with AC, which costs $850 extra.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Sorry, but I was not thinking of auto. trans, side air bags, and ABS, so if ya need those things, I guess a Mazda3 would cost more. You can buy it with air conditioning here in Calif. for $15k on sale. I agree, for what suites your needs, some other car may work out better for ya - maybe the Cobalt or that Elantra. Don't forget the re-sale value, if you keep a car less than 5 to 7 years or so. Some magazine should do a comparison test with all these cars in the $15 to $17 range in 2005 autos, so we have more to go on.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I would guess resale on Cobalt will be similar to Mazda 3 if there are no major issues with it. Honda and Toyota will lead the resale world for some time to come but I see the gap tightening in the future.
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    I think most of us who buy cheap cars plan to drive them into the ground.


    I really hope the gov't forces manufacturers to make side-airbags standard. Hyundai is pretty much the only one who does this.


    I also have the GM Family discount, so when all is said and done, the Cobalt will be pretty much the same price as the Elantra. I just won't have power-windows, which I'll get with the Elantra. For $14k I really don't care.


    It comes down to overall driving experience, and I can't find an automatic Cobalt Coupe to test drive.
  • Eric, it sounds like you really like the Cobalt. If you can't find any autos to drive, buy a manual. They're so much more fun and rewarding to drive than an automatic. People like to claim that they don't make sense if you drive in a lot of traffic, but that's just a lame excuse. You'll get better gas mileage, have more fun driving, and save yourself about $800 to boot. If you don't know how to drive a manual, then you can learn. It's not that hard.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Is this a common problem? My wife and I parted ways with GM vehicles in 2002, when we said a hearty (not heartfelt) "buh-bye!!!" to her 1995 Cavalier with only 48,000 miles on it, whose THIRD head gasket was leaking like a sieve and requiring a fourth.


    I had thought GM had learned how to make head gaskets that lasted more than 10,000 miles, especially when it costs more than $500 in parts and labor to replace one.


    Good luck! My wife's enjoying her 2002 Mazda Protege5 with 42,000 trouble-free miles on the odometer.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Won't the resale values be about the same on Cobalt as it was with Cavalier? What I like about the Japanese cars is that they run and run with little more than oil and gas as far as expense. That said, Corolla's four McPherson struts, instead of two, is a little more costly down the road. But there is so little in the way of problems compared to Oldsmobiles I had in the past, it is hard consider USA cars. That said, my last US car, the Olds Acheiva, once it got past the 9 or was it 10 , trips to the dealer when new, was not too bad as a long run car. It has a resale that was not so good, even being sold before the sad news for Olds. hit the press. Anyway, things are better quality wise, if you believe the latest statistics, but I still don't know if US manufactures have completely caught up to the competition from Japan. The Corolla and Miata I have now seems to be pretty much trouble free, and solid. The interiors look almost new still, where my US cars looked worn in a matter of a couple years. Oh well, maybe Cobalt is a leader to a better GM line of cars.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    GM has not made that old 2.2L iron engine for a number of years now. The current 2.2L is an all aluminum Ecotec which is very reliable and powerful also!
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    I have a bad back so I must have an automatic.


    I just noticed one of my local Chevy dealers got in a few automatic base Cobalt Coupes today. So off I go!:)
  • I guess I can't fault you for that. That one's out of your control.


    How was your test drive?
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I love standard transmissions but I live in a big city and with clogged traffic 50%+ of the time, it's just murder on a persons left leg and right arm.




    If I ever have the money to buy a summer fun sports car, it will be a standard though.


    I have yet to see a coupe (outside the autoshow last year). My local dealer has 3-4 sedans though.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,974
    Vanman... we finally agree on something. I drove stick for eight years, but living in Queens I had enough of that. When my wife and I were dating and I'd drive her home to Brooklyn, sometimes I would do that 40 mile round trip and never take my foot off of the clutch peddle. By the time that I got home, I'd barely be able to walk up the stairs. Ergo, I drive an automatic now and dream of the day that I get my sporty weekend car with a stick.
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    Considering it was 2am when I noticed it on the website, I haven't had a chance to go down there.

    Maybe on the weekend.


    Also, we're expecting snow, so I'm not going to test-drive in that. I'll wait for the roads to clear a little.


    Of course none of the models shipped to dealers have ABS or side-airbags. Lame.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    ericf1 : Most people buying compacts do not opt for a lot of options, especially SABs. ABS is a must though, saved my butt twice this winter.


    gsemike : I would love an old MG but I think the repair costs would kill me. I am hoping to get a used base Solstice in a few years. All I need is a stick, a CD player and the roof down for summer fun.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,974
    Have you seen the Saturn version of the Solstice? It's pretty sweet, a little more masculine than the Solstice, IMO.
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    Yeah, I don't want alot of options either, just the ones that should be standard anyways. With ABS you get traction control as well.


    Other than that the Cobalt and Elantra come with everything I need. AC is the big one that's standard on both cars.


    I'm trying to keep the price to $15k or under.
  • hey everyone, got me a cobalt two weeks ago and i'm very satisfied with it. i got the sedan LT in blue for 14,560. this is my first time buying an american vehicle as my vehicles have always been japanese so i was happy that they gave me a 1500 loyalty cash for switching from an import to GM. my husband's impressed that it can pick up as fast as the accord i had before, considering it has a smaller engine! i'm totally satisfied!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    I had the ABS on an Olds Achieva and it was weird indeed. After making a complete stop, the back end would give a little nudge upward and what felt like a hope of the back wheels. Did not have the stopping power of the Stealth I had, which was 4 wheel disk brakes and stopped on a dime. Perhaps the '92 GM ABS was still in the experimental period, but I have not owned any other car with ABS, and have had zero crashes. Well let's see, that makes it around 36 years, adding in motorcycle years as a couple, but I drove a car too, now and then. So how do they work if you spin your car and you are heading backwards and try putting in the clutch and mashing the brakes? No, I am not planning on doing any track time with ABS to find out. I am too poor for the track anyway ;-)
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    gsemike : I like the Saturn Sky also but I would like to keep the price of my summer wheels down and the Solstice stripper is suppose to come in at around U$20K. If I can get a used one(2-3 yrs), I'll be happy.


    annalilly : Hopefully with this competitive car, GM can lure back some market share squandered over the years to the Japanese companies.


    eric : I can see why ABS is optional on a car like this. GM had standard ABS on the Cavalier before but no one else did so they dropped it so they could sell cheaper.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421


    I couldn't agree more. My wife's 2002 Protege5 may "only" have 42,000 trouble-free miles on it, but my car, a 2000 Protege ES has 88,500 miles on it right now. It also has had zero problems.


    Show me a couple of Cavs or Cobalts that'll do that and I'll be surprised.


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