Official Mercedes-Benz Vision CLS pictures
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The 5 Series, I'd say in my opinion is an 'ok' vehicle, but what is happening to BMW?
Mercedes just released the CLS. Nothing I expected. 'The future styling of MBs', Mercedes said. I'm sure the Germans were surprised and said What in the world are they doing, trying to ruin the auto manufacturers?
jstyle, I will agree with you because I don't like it anymore. What is happening???? I wouldn't want a BMW to look like a Lexus. I do like Lexus's but that is an embarrasment to compare a quality luxury brand to a German 'handcrafted' vehicle.
Obviously, it looks like the manufacturers in Germany are running out of ideas, except for VW of course.
Why in the world did Mercedes feel the need to take on Jaguar when Jaguar doesn't even compare in worldwide sales and has always been around..in short there was no need for Jaguar to be the stated objective. The Japanese are the competition, not Jaguar as Jaguar has been around forever, and Mercedes will never out-style a Jaguar by veering off in THEIR direction. Memo to Mercedes: Hire Brunno back and stick to the traditional! Hopefully the reaction to the CLS will be lukewarm and Mercedes will back away from producing it. Not likely though as the Germans are stubborn as all outdoors. I hope this is not the styling direction they'll take with the next S-Class.
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I would agree that the looks may take getting used to it, and it does look Japanese; my greater dislike is the dash.
About the styling, I when I first saw the design, I thought it was an exercise for the next E-Class. That couldn't be right though, the E-Class had just been updated two years ago and was selling pretty well. I find it pretty strange that a car manufacturer is introducing two similarly sized, fairly similarly styled, and comprably priced vehicles back to back. IMHO, I think they should have used is design as the next E-class in 4 years or so. By then, it might not look as radical and a new class wouldn't be treading on any other models' ground. Personally though, if I want an edgy, sporty car for $50k, I'm not going to be looking at a Mercedes sedan.
I too didn't like the styling, and I'm still not crazy about it, but I figure as long as they don't go that route with the next S-Class (the next new Benz a comin') they can do whatever they want with the CLS. Who knows they might win over a new group of buyers that would have never considered a Mercedes before. The next E won't arrive until about 2009 or so, it was brand new for 2003.
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There is a huge price gap between the CLK and CL Coupes, of which the CLS is attempting to fill. People who buy E-Classes want practicality, the CLS won't be too good at that its more of an indulgence.
I see no resemblance to the new GS, the GS is far less svelt. I predict the CLS will be a hit, its different looking for a Benz, and afterall a new Benz is hot no matter how it looks, the new CLK proves this.
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Are you kidding me, no resemblance? Just look at the side profile. Someone got the plans to the other guy's car and copied it. The same swooping rear with the mega C-pillars to give the car extra big blind spots. The front lights swooped back ala-350Z. Sure the front end and rear end have typical Lexus and Benz treatments, but the cars from the side look too similar for it to be a coincidence.
A huge price gap and off the shelf equipment. That fuels my point even more. Although I think most people are out of their mind for buying a Benz to begin with when they could have gotten a Lexus, Infiniti, or Acura for at least a couple grand less, I think they might have enough smarts to spend the extra grand or two and buy an E55 if they want a performance sedan or an S500 if they want the pinnacle of luxury. Heck, the E500 Sport might even suit their tastes for $10k less.
Next, the CLK and CL coupes are based on completely different platforms. The CLK coupe is a 2 door E-Class and the CL is a 2 door S-Class. The reason they are priced so far apart is because they are completely different cars in size, performance, and purpose. The CLK is a nimble coupe or convertible for the middle aged yupi. The CL is a 2 door sedan and sitting in the driver's seat, you could mistake it for an S-Class.
And everything Mercedes imports to the States is a hit...because we all see G-Classes every day while driving to work.
About the Benz competing with the 6...maybe in price but probably not in characteristics. The 6 is more of a competition for the CL than anything else (big 2+2 2-door sedan with a huge amount of power). The nice part about the 6 is that it has more power, better handling, and undercuts the 6 by $20k. Also, I doubt someone in the market for a 2 door performance coupe for somewhere in the neighborhood of $80k will be drooling over a 4 door, automatic CSL any time soon.
Like I said before though, nobody's really tried this sort of concept before, so who knows, maybe it will attract a whole new clientele. We'll see how the GS and CLS will fare against regular sedans and coupes.
Value and what people could or should by is also too much to get into here, we'll just have to disagree there too, obviously the sales numbers prove otherwise also.
You're correct the CLK and CL are built on different platforms. Who said they weren't? However, the CLK isn't based on the E-Class , it's based on the C-Class, and the CL is based on the S, hence the CLS being based on the E-Class platform. Mercedes hasn't done a true "E-Class" Coupe since 1995.
You're right in that the CLS probably won't match the 6-Series dynamically, I don't think Mercedes expects it to. Truth be told the CLS is just a swooper E-Class with a few extra perks.
The 645Ci might have more power and outhandle the CL500, but the CL500 is at a styling and luxury point which the 645Ci can only dream about. The CL is a true 4-seater, I doubt the 6 will match it in room and it certainly won't match it in luxury. The 645Ci won't be able to compete with the CL55 or CL600 either, which it shouldn't considering the price. The real 645Ci competitors are the CLK500 and CLK55 AMG.
" We'll see how the GS and CLS will fare against regular sedans and coupes."
The GS is a regular sedan, has been since 1993 and it hasn't "fared" to well. Whether or not you see the logic behind the CLS or not, pricewise/sizewise it fits in the MB lineup. I agree, nobody wanting a true coupe is going to want a CLS, hence it being a true niche product designed to fill a void in the MB lineup with a coupe-like sedan. I predict it will be a hit.
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By the way they also state it could be higher because the 2006 CL model will go even more upmarket. 8cyl starting around $US115,000 with the next CL700 closing in on $US150,000
those who think the CLS rear and interior look like lexus, u need new spectacles! my, my, which lexus ever looked like that, may i ask? which [non-permissible content removed] saloon EVER looked anything like it? and wsag26--VW being creative in design?? we've got people with weird tastes here. VW is doing nothing more than copying their Audi department's design ideas. look at Phaeton vs A8, new Golf interior vs Audi A3 interior. nice, yes, but yaaawwwwwnnnn....
CLS might or might not be a hit, but it deserves mention as mercedes attempting something new, though i do agree it is slightly over-styled. though nothing as bad as new BMWs. btw, why not have a new style for the interior and exterior? i personally think it's very good indeed. those who refuse merc to change are in the same class (sorry, pun intended) as those who didnt understand why the current S-class looks so different from its predecessor. the sales figures should answer that question. with [non-permissible content removed] finally catching up to copying german interior design successfully, it's time for something new. i respect that.
http://www.maybach.ru/cls/index_en.php
absolutely beautiful in this trim.
especially like the headlights. very nice, nothing like anything i've seen on any recent car--it's like an 'aggressified' version of the S-class's items. btw the CLS should be the same length and width as an S-class, though headroom will be smaller.
Mercedes is going to push the next CL even higher huh...interesting. That move is probably a direct result of Bentley selling a coupe for a little more than the current CL600. I just hope the next CL is a beauty like the current one.
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But it also kind of looks like an ES330, especially from the side. Look at the profile of the ES, and the profile of the CLS, and there is definitely some resemblance.