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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • lntlnt Posts: 192
    I have played with the lumbar support moving it all the way both directions and so has my son. It is the seam that is the problem. I have had two avalons and the seats in both were much better. There just doesn't seem to be enough padding in the area above that seam. To me it feels kind of hollow. Like I said, I have gotten use to it - except on long trips. It is my son that has the complaint. He hopes to inherit it some day-ha, ha.
  • I installed the Awell 4-sensor & beeper system this afternoon and it works perfectly. As you predicted, johni, the supplied connectors were problematic; one made good contact but the other didn't, so I removed it and made an old-fashioned wire-to-wire connection. I installed the beeper directly onto the metal underside of the rear shelf, half way between the center speaker and the left-center speaker (JPL sound system), near a 1" square hole through which I could see the underside of the rear shelf. This location allows the sound to carry well into the cabin.

    Thanks again for the useful leads, johni. Your earlier posts convinced me to buy the same Awell system from this internet supplier. Total cost: US$ 99.95 plus Can $58.47 for shipping, taxes and broker fees, or about Can $185.00 The Toyota dealer would have charged me Can$ 699 + tax = Can$ 800 to install a (nearly identical) Sienna parking sensor system.

  • ejmannejmann Posts: 12
    I spoke to Toyota and the dealer service people about the remote start which has a short range of 50 -70 ft. I have an aftermarket brand on my 04 Highlander (doesn't void the warranty) that has much greater range. I need about 130 ft to start the car outside the office here in the Michigan winters. The Toyota remote just won't do it. Plus, the remote system shuts the car off when you press the unlock button to enter the car. Does yours do that too? Competitve brands don't force you to restart the car after unlocking the doors.. My major concern is the limited range of operation provided by Toyota which makes it useless in my case. I am disappointed that Toyota didn't provide a better system for such a great car as the Avalon.
  • williamtwilliamt Posts: 39
    "William: A V rating is a tire industry standard, not a Toyota standard. V rated tires are rated 149 mph. H rated tires are rated 130 mph."

    I hate to stand corrected, so I'll just lean back here and take it! I was expecting auto tires are rated the way aircraft tires are--but as I said, I knew up front I'd be better off not contradicting you, Groza. Thanks for the correction.

    But the big news is that today I took delivery of my indigo ink pearl Limited. Wow! It is the first Limited I've seen, since my dealer can't meet the demand as it is (I ordered it on February 28th and it was expected the middle of May). I am up to 32 miles now (it had 6 when I got it). The navigation system is super accurate and even chose my favorite route of many options in one case. And that laser cruise control is SUPER. It's the main reason I leaned toward the Limited, but all the other features....Oh, the cool seats when on blower turned out to be much more essential than I realized. How did I live without it?

    I went out in the garage tonight to see the puddle lights. They're neat alright, but I didn't realize I have an alarm system. When I reached in through the open driver's window to unlock the door manually all hell broke loose. I probably woke up the neighbors==it was flashing and beeping while I dashed for the kitchen to get my little key fob, then ran back and punched buttons until it stopped. Yikes!

    I also didn't think I needed that adjustable under-knee support, but now I do! I find it definitely helps me make the seat extra comfortable. I also love the dimming mirrors and the turning signals in the side mirrors--very neat. The automatic headlights work fine, but I haven't tried the automatic windshield wipers yet. (I nearly chased a thunderstorm for that purpose today, but I was too busy reading the manuals.)

    XM radio is activated now, but I've not tried it yet. I'm not fond of the chintzy dealer antenna installation, since the wire will depress the trunk sealing, but lack of symmetry doesn't bother me at all. On their website XM says if the installer put it inside the car you should make them move it outside at no charge--they say it -will- experience reception drop-outs. I know some on this formum claim perfect reception even with it inside.

    BTW, that graphite and dark wood interior is perfect with the indigo ink.

    And speaking of tires, I was delighted to find the Limited came with Michelin XM4s, my favorite tires. I had just put a set on my '02 Avalon, which I am giving to my very deserving son. Apparently they put Firestones on all other Avalons...but don't quote me on that.

  • Thanks for follow-up...

    You're absolutely correct - we (especially me) love being higher off the road - just like the feel of it - and would have use for the rear fold-down cargo area... While I have an 02 Maxima, my wife has an 04 Sienna - we're both in love with the Sienna! So while that car stays, the Maxima goes (soon). Since we have a new addition (10 1/2 months now) to the family, van is a must - but we'd prefer not to drive it 100% of the time. We'd split it more evenly with the Lexus, but probably more of a 25-75 split for the Avalon.

    The 04 Lexus RX330 I've drove extensively is my parents... We live nearly two thousand miles away from them, so every time we visit (normally every major holiday and sometimes for 2-3 weeks at a time), we're allocated the Lexus to drive :-)

    We're only considering brand new (preferably ordered w/out even test drive miles)... That's how we received both current vehicles - and we'd strongly prefer continuing this way. I've verbally negotiated about $500 over invoice on the Lexus... At present, invoice is looking like nearly $39,700 (Performance Plus Pkg, Navigation, 18", 6-disc, Rain Sensing Wipers + Heated Seats, ...). So $500 over is just over $40k... The Blizzard Pearl Avalon Limited w/all options + spoiler, but excluding remote start & XM, is @ $33,700. Problem is I'm having a rather difficult time getting a better price than $1,500 over invoice - as apose to the easy $500 over invoice for the Lexus. After math, this comes to a $5K difference on the nose! BUT, if we could somehow negotiate an Avalon price @ $1,000 over invoice, and combine this with tax/title/license differences, we're actually talking about a $6,000 difference between the two! Ouch, now, you're cutt'n a little deep into pockets.

    We'd only consider the AWD Lexus - value in, value out... The future used value retains most of the AWD vs. FWD cost difference - so pretty much a no brainer for us in this regard.

    Ride quality & up-front $$$ savings differences may pay off though... The 04 Lexus I've drove has 17" rims (apparently popular in mid-west, but very rare out here - most are 18"). I know we'd get the 18" - so a bit worse ride Quality I'm sure. Hmm... Decisions, decisions...

    Regarding your buy & sell 1 year later option - ouch... California (to my knowledge) doesn't take advantage of trade-in tax savings like other states... Hence, the $3,500 tax cost on the 1st vehicle would be a complete waste - with another $3,500 to pay for the 2nd vehicle - no special tax-on-difference breaks out here! This would be a killer in taxes alone - let alone the amount of $$$ car drops the second it's drove off lot! Nope - once we get this new baby, we're keeping it for a minimum of 3 yrs - with 5 years being target.

    To be honest, Lexus badge appears to be a little worth it - regarding future value... I'm not hung up on Mercedes, BMW, or Lexus brands too much, but love seeing their apparent used-car worth & respect years after birth ;)

    I appreciate the comments.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    This is my first post here, and I still haven't made up my mind on which car I will buy. I'm stuck between the Limited, the Acura TL, and the Nissan Maxima. I drive an '03 TL now, and love it. I know there is a big difference between the Avalon and the other 2 cars, but I'm still up in the air. I realize that the Avalon is a brand new car as far as design, equipt., etc., but has anyone heard of changes to be made on the '06 Avalon? I would really like to see power pedals, a power tilt and scope wheel, cornering lights, and for the interior controls for the mirrors, windows, and steering wheel controls to have a brighter light. I've test driven the Avalon XLS a few times, only because they had no Limiteds, and the Limited a bunch of times. What an amazing car. Any info would be welcomed......thanks :confuse:
  • avalonbobavalonbob Posts: 35
    I have the factory remote start on my XLS. It has worked fine for me. I can start my car when it is in the garage and I can start it from my third floor office where my car is parked (I'm guessing) around 150 ft. away. I wasn't really sure it would work from that far away, but I have used it three times and it has worked fine.

    I don't understand why the car shuts off when you unlock the doors but it doesn't bother me too much.
  • avalonbobavalonbob Posts: 35
    Here is a very recent, very complimentary review:

    2005 Toyota Avalon Touring Edition
  • grozagroza Posts: 89
    "I don't understand why the car shuts off when you unlock the doors but it doesn't bother me too much."

    Bob: To foil thieves, children and thieving children.

  • avalonbobavalonbob Posts: 35
    Actually I was concurring with the previous poster regarding the car shutting off but, on second thought, it seems like the car would have to shut off. Because my car is an XLS, it requires a key. The car would have to shut off so you could put to key in...correct?

  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    You have got to be an obsessive compulsive personality with so many conflicting thoughts. I'm out of breath reading your posts. Buy the SUV already, you won't be happy with anything else and will second guess yourself as you need that extra room for the family, JMHO. Any decision you make is the right one. Trying to have others help you decide on this forum only shows your insecurity in making a decision. You can do it, make up your own mind, your an intelligent human being, just go with your guts, that's the best way and start living with less inner turmoil.
  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    Yes depreciation can be figured into the buying equation for some people, well if you want it to and you keep the car for a few years. There is more to value than just price, see the link.
  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    I just read what I posted, regarding obsessive compulsive, I didn't mean to post that, so forgive me, my thoughts just came out and don't mean to criticize you, I hope you forgive me. I just think you should make a decision and not drive yourself nuts with doubts after doubts, and why I said your decision will be the right one whatever you decide.
  • Haha! No worries :-)

    Don't get me wrong I AM going to make my OWN decision - and will conduct my dd accordingly. But in this course of action, I at least attempt to gather some thoughts from others - and know that in this price category, there has to be some folks who considered midsized SUV vs. large sedan - especially in this high gas-price age.

    By the time I purchase my vehicle, I'll feel extremely comfortable with my choice - knowing that I went through hoops & bounds to research & ping similar thoughts of others.

    Thanks for comments.
  • angeange Posts: 158
    Your delivery time sure sounds good to me. I placed 1000.00 deposit on an Avalon Limited with only one option,VSC, on 2-19-05.Got a call from the dealer on 4-22-05 telling me my Limited did not arrive but I could pick from 3 XLS.

    I was wasn't a happy camper as I thought the call was to tell me the car was in. I am told Toyota sent the three XLS cars instead, They had no control over these cars sent. I was told Toyota is building Limiteds now, loaded.

    I am sure there a number of dealers reading these imputs. Can anyone give a better explaination for this long time car delivery? I am not sure what to think happened, this deal has a smell to it.

    Typical car salesman story. I was told there is a Limited to be delivered in late May, but it is loaded. I did not want the nav or cruse control, but to get a car that I almost wanted I had no choice,I got deal on these extras. They added on the dealer invoice cost to the origional agreement of sale.

    I have had about 20 company cars and I never heard of these reasons, excuses, or whatever. I sure hope the dealer did not sell my car to someone else because they would pay a better price or sticker price.

    Any comments? Ange1
  • deaniedeanie Posts: 172
    Hi Cmptrguy74:
    I have a three year old and a 1 1/2 month old new addition, and they are precisely why I chose the Avalon over a Highlander (Lexus minus badge and trim/options), or a Minivan (Oddesy or Sienna - spelling?). The Avalon handles, brakes and accelerates better than any RX, Highlander, Sienna etc., which makes it better at avoiding an accident than the others, and as such makes the Avalon a safer vehicle for parents choosing between a car and an SUV/Minivan - unless of course, you live in an area where you routinely drive in a lot of snow and need the AWD. Besides, the Avalon is a lot of fun when you lean on the gas pedal, and gets better mileage - make sure you drive 'em all before you decide. All IMHO of course, except for the part about the handling, braking, accelerating, accident avoidance, fuel economy.

    The money is another thing to consider. Insurance for the Avalon is probably cheaper than for the RX330 (call your insurance broker/agent before deciding). You talk about a $5,000 price difference with the Avalon at $1,500 over invoice. Two weeks ago (in MD), I bought at $657 over for an XLS w/VSC, etc, so getting under is $1,000 is emminently doable. I'm nobody special and anyone can get such a discount, or less if you do your homework, approach a sales manager who just got a delivery of Avalons, and are prepared to buy "today" right now (not next week) out of dealer stock. And yes, my $657 over invoice deal was valid for Limiteds as well. If you're willing to wait another month or so, it seems supplies are improving and dealers are more willing to deal, so less work will be needed to get an Avalon for less than $1,000 over invoice.

    But I digress. If you're willing to get the Avalon and put that $5000 (or $6000) into your 401K, IRA, or a CD, AND remember the many hundreds $$$ saved in gas and insurance over 3-5 yrs, your choice becomes a little more difficult .

    I'm not an accountant, but you'd probably be way ahead of the game, financially, "safety-wise", and "fun-wise", if you go with the Avalon. Also, the money you save may also serve as a substantial down payment on the next SUV/minivan you buy when the Sienna is ready to be sold/traded in, or you could do that next vehicle purchase that much sooner. Hope I've helped.
  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    Go for the 330. Are you sure you'd want the sport package? You are right that it makes the ride more harsh. When I helped drive my buddies down to FL from NY, I was surprised at hearing/feeling the freeway joints much more than I thought I would.

    Does your Parent's 330 have the sport suspension? I've never driven one without it, but I really noted how the ride was much more harsh than I felt a luxury SUV should be.

    Be sure to test drive with the sport suspension before you get it.

    If you can afford the payments and feel it's worth it, then go for it. There's no way it's a bad decision especially if this is a vehicle you'll keep for over 3 years.

    Don't forget to factor in the extra taxes and whether there is a difference in insurance...if you are crunching the numbers.

    Have you considered a 3yr lease on the 330? Not sure about CA, but you may be able to save a good bit on taxes and can use that down payment for other things if you just had a baby.

    Did you consider the Highlander at all, as that is a much better comparison vehicle than the Avalon IMO. You can get a fully loaded Limited with nearly all options checked off for $34k invoice.

    What would be some reasons you'd pick the Avalon over the 330 or Highlander? I mean, if you want to sit higher up and have the utility of the cargo space...that's the way you'd be going.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 591
    This seems to be a subject of frequent discussion. The attempt by Toyota to lower the average age of the Avalon buyer by producing a new body style and more powerful engine is working. We, of the previous Avalon generation, really never asked this question. Times change.

    Rather than have someone report their findings from a remote stretch of Oklahoma interstate, perhaps we can do a little math and reasonably calculate this magic number. We might not get it exact, but the test results will not include "deer collision damage estimate" and "police radio somewhat faster than Touring edition."

    Another advantage is that we can all participate together. Ready? The virtual straightaway is ours. Buckle up, lock the doors and "Gentlemen (ladies), start your....... research."

    We need the following:
    1. Standard tire size
    2. Final drive ratio
    3. Transmission gear ratios, gear IV and V both
    4. Max torque output @ rpm
    5. Max hp output @ rpm
    6. Vehicle weight, loaded
    7. Value of a slice of common "Pi"

    Eager drivers: Please do not get ahead.
    Advanced drivers: Which one of the above is meaningless in the task?
    To stay on topic and within the rules of, use ONLY the available figures for the 2005 Avalon. This is an open forum and all relevant ideas, comments and corrections are always welcome. Let's ride...... :)
  • jordan7jordan7 Posts: 77
    Ange1. I guess I got LUCKY. I also order a Platinum Limited with only the VSC option on Feb 19th. I picked up my Ltd on March 19th and have driven from Maryland to Florida. I purchsed it through UBS and paid $600 above invoice with NO dealer prep charge. I fell very fortunate and have enjoyed the car. I think your dealer is playing games (it does not surprise me since they will do what they can for the profit margin) and wish you good luck. Maybe a call to Toyota Corporate would help.
  • tweakertweaker Posts: 30
    Has anyone installed window tinting in your Avalon with ivory interior?
    How are you dealing with the reflection from inside looking out?
  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    I did, and have no reflection looking out, but I did not tint my winshiled, just all the rest.
  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    Thank you, sorry once again. Dean makes good sense if money is an issue, but you have to feel comfortable that it is what you want so you don't say I wish I had.... Good Luck.
  • gbinplanogbinplano Posts: 65
    Ange, your story reaffirms my concern that special ordering really isn't special. I'm happy that the new Avalon is so well received and that once more Toyota is delivering a world class automobile. It is very unfortunate for folks like you whose orders are not filled in a timely manner. When I was notified, my salesman said that my order matched one on their May allocation, so I would get it. I guess "Be Patient" seems trite, but being patient is probably the only way to get the exact match to your desires.

  • johnijohni Posts: 43
    Havalong, good to hear your installation went well. Your speaker location appears to be better than mine. I'll look at moving it when I get a chance. Thanks for the tip.

  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    'puterguy, since you're having a hard time deciding why not throw the Toyota Highlander into the mix? It's the Lexus' cousin and you'll save even more! Heck there's rebates on those babies right now in most regions. Or better yet get the hybrid version of either the Lexus or Toyota (same vehicle as far as I'm concerned although the Highlander is a little bigger on the inside) ;) Or maybe the new Lexus GS?? Seems to me you're hung up on the "luxury" nameplates.
    Mackabee :blush:
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    The reason the engine stops when you open the door is for safety reasons. Also to avoid a potential thief (carjacker) from just running up and knocking you down and taking the car.
  • tweakertweaker Posts: 30
    Can you tell me if it is metallic tint?
  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    No I decided against the metallic tint, Yet my tint does a great job here in SC near Ga border, so it does get hot. It makes a huge difference when I park the car after putting my sunshade against the windshield, and when driving with the A/C on, the heat I used to feel in the days of no tint is no longer a problem.
  • ccriderccrider Posts: 26
    Question - The heated and cooled seats are not offered on the Touring. The dealership has offered to do heated seats (they can't do the ventilation for cooling) for $195 a seat. Is that a reasonable price and can it be done adequately without the factory doing it? I'm currently at an offer of $750 above invoice and $565 under what my trade-in is worth according to kbb. I would like to get at $500 above invoice and what my trade-in is worth. Difference of $815. I figured my trade-in at fair condition because I have a dent in the passenger side (parked too close to a damn post at convenience store). You think that's an accurate description or shoould it be poor? Also, has anybody noticed a gap between the tops of the rear seats and the area behind the seats? I can slide my fingers in that space.
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