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  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    I hate the vehicle, totally (except for the interior). Good job Nissan. You've made an ugly SUV again. I think Nissan should just stick to the Armada. They don't need another Pathfinder.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I agree, the exterior is fricken WEIRD. Too bad Chevy can't build an interior like that though. :)
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    i think its totally fine.

    eye of the beholder i guess.

    at least its not an ION freakshow.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    I almost bought an Armada. Everything is great except for the fact that I actually do not need 9100lb towing and some minor exterior and interior dislikes. i.e. Armada is beyond what I need. The new Pathfinder looks mighty fine to me. Even though I wish they had put the 5.6L V8 in it (instead of 4.0 V6 in pictures), I am one potential buyer for it as of now.
  • Kudos to Nissan for actually sticking almost entirely to having the new Pathfinder look like the DuneHawk concept! I loved the DuneHawk, and I love the new Pathfinder. It's MUCH better looking than the Armada.

    You guys are too conservative if you don't like this design. It's aggressive and progressive. It's sculptured design isn't watered down at all, like many SUVs that move from concept to production guise. It has a real muscular stance to it, that really sets it apart from other vehicles on the road.

    If the H3 SUV looks as cool as the H3T, it'll be a no-brainer next fall when I trade my truck in, but I'm going to give the new Pathfinder some serious consideration, along with the redesigned '05 Grand Cherokee.
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    I think the new Pathy looks pretty good....certainly a lot better than the new 4Runner (and with 7 passenger seating to boot!)
    2 things: I know it's kind of a signature, but those rear door handles you have kids, it's almost impossible for them to reach, let alone operate. And, are they going to drop the Pathfinder part of "Pathfinder Armada"? What's wrong with just Armada?
    Speaking of names, even the new Pathfinder is getting a little big for it's name, although it is somewhat more svelte than the Armada. I mean, how many paths could your find your way down in that boat!
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Is it really a 4.0L V6 powering this new SUV?? Wow, Nissan finally stopped using the VQ 3.5 in all their cars!! :)
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    That interior looks so ugly, I'll puke. The Nissan Maxima's interior is just like the Cadillac CTS (almost) and its bad. Personally, everythings bad.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    is nice, but the exterior to me works better on the larger Armada than the smaller Pathfinder.
  • probably grow on me, but I have to agree with previous post about the rear door handles. At least they have started to make them body colored. When I bought my 01 LE I was surprised it did not come with body colored door handles. The new Pathfinder looks like an Armada clone, just a little smaller. The look is a little too boxy for my taste.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    "That interior looks so ugly, I'll puke."

    You're just saying that because Nissan has something to compete with the gawdawful TrailBlazer. Typical GM fanatics..can't respect another car, er SUV. It looks very well built inside with so much luxury! Please, I'll take this over a TrailBlazer make me laugh. :)
  • Any word on whether the 2005 Pathfinder will still have the option of a manual transmission?
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I was surprised that the automatic doesn't have a manual shift mode! Heck, the Murano has a manual shift on it's "transmission". It would've worked better on a real automatic, not a CVT which hogs all the HP up. :)
  • I really don't like the gold one, but for some reason the last few pics in silver look better to me. Maybe I'm biased, owning a silver '02 :)

    I dunno, the interior doesn't do much for me, maybe I'll have a different opinion seeing it in person. And I'm not so sure about the front-end treatment, it just doesn't seem like the "Pathfinder style". It suits the Armada better, IMHO.

    Maybe I'm just stuck on the current Pathfinder generation...
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I agree that the new Nissan SUV stying works best on the larger Pathfinder Armada than it does on the smaller Pathfinder.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    For 2004, the 4Runner is available with a 3RD row seat, I'm pretty sure....

    Overall, I like the distinctive look of the new Pathfinder and Frontier, and I'm glad they've adapted the 3.5L VQ for real truck. I'll admit Im a little disappointed in the interior of the Maxima, but the Patherfinders looks better, IMO.

  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    I researched 4Runner, almost bought it until I found out that if you choose 3rd row seats, a lot of options becomes unavailable for no obvious reasons. GPS, for example. It make you wonder why? Probably Toyata want me to buy 50K+ Gx470 instead, which I won't. Too bad. Besides, 4Runners with 3rd seats are hard to find, according to my salesman if you can trust him, that is...
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    All seats fold flat (unlike Armada - base of 2nd row fold vertical). See official link from Nissan.,,action-NStaticLoader_path-@ni- ssan@future@static@futureModels,00.html

    BTW, Nissan says (250+hp, and 270+ lb-ft) for the new VQ 4.0 V6. I wish they make the 5.6L V8 in Armada available in Pathfinder also..
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    nobody would buy the Pathfinder Armada. Does the Pathfinder have optional third row seats?
  • ric29ric29 Posts: 1
    Here's my problems with the new pathfinder;
    It's got a 10 horsepower increse and a similar torque increase, but the weight is definitely going to go way up, which means it will be weaker. The Truck based frame means trucklike handling, which is not horrible, seeing that it probably wants to be distanced from the Murano. Things like the skyview roof, as seen in the concept, aren't on it, and neither is sonar parking or a rear camera, which is now essential in the class; I see zero innovations. Styling wise, it looks exactly like the new frontier with a bed shell, which is what the Xterra should have looked like. My biggest complaint is the engine. The V8 should be an option. The smaller 4Runner, GM, Ford, and Mercury all offer V8s as options. If the Xterra will be again fronteir based, with the same engine, it will end up being more powerful than the pathfinder, which makes no sense, b/c no one will buy the pathfinder The Armada will still sell, Ford's V8 explorer is as popular as the expedition.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    before it is too late. I hope Nissan is watching this...
    - make backup sensor standard (std in PF Armada) - at least optional
    - make 5.6L V8 optional (std in PF Armada)
    - make backup camera integrated with GPS (optional)
      Don't keep all goodies for Infiniti like Toyota do to Lexus.

    P.S. jchan2, the 3rd row seat is standard.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Youre making very big assumptions. Yes, weight has gone up, but is it that considerable to overcome the new engine/transmission combination? The new 4.0 V6 will likely need far fewer revs to reach peak power and torque, and depending on how well it is matched to the transmission, it may (or may not) make up for increased weight. The V8 4Runner, from what I have read, is not quicker than the lighter V6 (which offers simlar power to the new Pathfinder), and its only advantage is if you tow OFTEN. This, while suffering worse fuel economy. I feel that the V8 in the 4Runner is mostly a psychological option for guys who need tough V8s in thier ladder frame macho trucks. I DONT see many V8 Runners on the road. That said, Nissans V8 is almost an entire liter larger than Toyotas, and I highly doubt that Nissan could shoehorn it in the engine bay of the new Path w/o significatn modification.

    I believe that Car and Driver clocked the current PF in the mid 8s to 60 with the 3.5L VQ. I dont really believe the new PF will drop below that.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I was at the Detroit show yesterday and saw the new Pathfinder and Frontier. They both look great. Nissan did a super job on these two! If you like the Armada and Titan, but want something a bit more manageable, these are your rides. Think of them a 7/8 scale versions of the big trucks.

  • Pathfinder advantages:
    - 5 speed automatic versus 4 speed, I thought I read this was derived from the Armada/Titan 5 speed auto which might mean it's exceptionally strong for the V6
    - Independent rear suspension (better onroad and rough road ride)
    - maybe better initial design incorporating 3rd row seats rather than add on as in 4Runner. The 4Runner seats aren't very convenient to store up against the back side windows.
    - probably more BHP and torque (later design knowing what is needed to beat the competition)

    4Runner advantages
    - Live rear axle probably gives better offroad capability. Most 4 wheel independent suspensions lack sufficient suspension travel (especially droop), offroad these vehicles usually have at least 1 wheel in the air on rough surfaces. This is why I assume the Pathfinder has an Advanced Offroad Traction control system to keep the wheel in the air from spinning without sending power to the wheel(s) on the ground.
    - Power rear window, you don't know how many times I've had something long (ladder, lumber, etc.) sticking out the back of my 96 4Runner
    - V8 if you really need it

    At this point in time I'll have to see which of these two I would prefer, it's going to be an interesting yearend comparing the two!
  • I'm interested in what this puppy will have as a max tow rating. Does anyone know? I'm assuming it'll be in the same ballpark as 4Runner, Explorer, Trailblazer, which would max out around 7000lbs.

    I'm also interested in what the wheelbase will be, another important ingredient for towing a 23' hybrid trailer. The current 4Runner's wheelbase is too short for towing a trailer that long...
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    I didn't say in my post that the Trailblazer's interior is cute. How do you know I even think it is? FYI: The Trailblazer's interior is ugly... and so is the Pathfinder's..
  • scnamescname Posts: 296
    Ready to buy a mid-suv soon. The 04 are virtually non existant on dealer lots.

    Has anyone tried the 3rd row seat, what size person can fit in there? The 4runners 3rd row is for 6 years old only, the explorers can fit a 6 footer( me ).
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I just thought it was logical since you think that every GM car is better than the competition...
  • I just left the Auto Show, The '05 PF looks a WHOLE LOT bigger...
    so make your decision when you see it up close, you GM tightwads
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    LOL..GM tightwads<<perfect name!
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