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Lincoln Mark LT



  • "How many years of college are required for a degree that allows one to dream this stuff up?"

  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    I also think that they will eventually be a PAST name in the business...along with Oldsmobile. Soon to be Buick, Pontiac also. It's a shame what has happened to the American auto industry.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    At this point, Buick and Pontiac are more likely to make it, given the product being introduced or in the pipeline. Buick needs to move beyond its sedans, and the new crossover will help. Still, one or both going away would not hurt GM much, considering they will still have Chevrolet, Saturn (now tied with Opel), GMC and Cadillac. Plus Saab, but they may need to depart too.

    Lincoln is directionless in trying to save itself. Lincoln will continue to have an unintegrated, mishmash of a line-up. The Town Car is ridiculously out of date and pretty much unsalvagable with its bad (and fairly noisy) interior, low power, old architecture and a look that was fine for the 90's but not now. The 2007 Navigator bears no family resemblance (beyond the tail lights, sort of) to any other Lincoln. The Mark LT (MK LT??) still looks like an F150 with more chrome. The Zephyr is fine although it looks too much like the Mercury Milan, and not enough like any other Lincoln. The MKS and MKX introduce two more unrelated looks.

    Sales better pick up with all the models, or Lincoln will soon enough be skipping through the clouds with Oldsmobile and Plymouth. Sometimes they auto business is a crap shoot. You can a lucky roll or a bad one.

    Monday morning quarterbacking says anyone should have known for example that the 500/Montego was going to be a mediocre seller, and that the Chrysler 300 would be a hit. But Chrysler took a gamble and fortunately didn't lose.

    There are so many factors to consider that are almost completely unpredictable. Who would have forecast a car as good as the LS would get such a lukewarm reception? Maybe we need to be grateful Lincoln has been able to sustain itself as long as this.
  • "Who would have forecast a car as good as the LS would get such a lukewarm reception? Maybe we need to be grateful Lincoln has been able to sustain itself as long as this."

    The LS used to outsell the Lexus ES. The problem is that Ford abandoned this car.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Yes, you are right. LS sold over 50,000 in 2000 and a smidgen under 40,000 in 2001. Not bad numbers at all for a luxury ride.

    People have been lauding the sales of Zephyr as if the numbers are really good. In fact, the LS did way better after its introduction than what the Zephyr is doing at the same point. That is kind of scary when you think that Lincoln is promoting the heck out of Zephyr, and it is a less expensive car. Oooh...things may be even worse for Lincoln than we thought.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    compared to its primary competition, the Escalade EXT.

    1543 Mark LTs sold in March, while only 359 Escalade EXTs were sold. Im guessing people are holding off buying the EXT until the much improved version is released.

    I wonder what would happen if the Japanese would enter this segment. Would they have a hit, or would they screw up the pickup formula?

    Personally, I can see Lexus entering this segment in 5 years.
  • I wonder what would happen if the Japanese would enter this segment. Would they have a hit, or would they screw up the pickup formula?

    Well, the down-market marques are already there. Personally, I don't think any self-respecting pickup truck driving man should buy a Honda Ridgeline or any full size Japanese truck. But, it seems the Ridgeline hits the target market of urban wannabes who will never tow anything or go further offroad than some minimal road work which might be in front of the Super Target or Starbucks. I suspect any Japanese entry into the Mark LT / Escalade EXT market would do the same. Toyota and Nissan get good reviews from the talking heads for their full size pickups: slap some different doors and grilles on them, stick a little Lexus or Infinity badge up front, and there you go.
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    I wonder what would happen if the Japanese would enter this segment. Would they have a hit, or would they screw up the pickup formula?

    Look at what Honda did with the Ridgeline. IMO a screwup.
  • Any ideas what the 2007 LT will offer that didn't come on the 2006? Will it be further differentiated from the F-150? Will AdvanceTrac be available?
    thanks for any info
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Slight changes to headlights and grill in a meager attempt to differentiate a bit more from F150.
  • lyletlylet Posts: 27
    I can't find any information on the 2007 MarkLT at the NY show. Any links?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Just go back to message 211
  • lyletlylet Posts: 27
    Any news on new options on the 07 Mark LT like, All wheel drive, foldable mirrors, GPS, 6-speed Trans?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437

    As a lifelong Ford guy, and a long-time stockholder, I am just appalled. Even Hyundai is running circles around Ford.

    Why does every other company seem to be able to issue frequent re-designs and new models at a rate that makes Ford seem to be working at a snail's pace? Ford has had a good 10 years of incentive to begin issuing more exciting new products. Flexible manufacturing is a great idea. But it hasn't resulted in issue of new products even as fast as most competitors. At least there is some solace in the Ford family seeing so much wealth fade away in the plunging stock price.

    Let the car guys out of their cages and get out of their way! The GT, Mustang and F150 indicate the good things that can be done if allowed.
  • ford624ford624 Posts: 75
    Does any one have any thing good to say about the Lincoln Mark LT Super Crew ?
    I believe that it is going to be a very good choice for me.
    Just how many of you, who are so very critical of this truck, actually own one, or have even driven one ?
    I should be taking delivery of my new 2006 Lincoln Mark LT next week.
    I plan on buying GPS Navigation and keeping it in the glove box until I need to use it.
    I was able to negotiate a very good deal.
    I did not buy a Silver one, because that is the color of my 2006 Chrysler 300C SRT8.
    I am going to be happy with my new truck.
  • Ford promised to show the freshened 2007 Mark LT at the NY auto show. I've been "googling" it for a week and I don't see mention of it anywhere.

    Did Ford flake out again?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Of course it is a good truck. That it is an F150 (a good truck) with more chrome, a slightly customized grill, tailight extensions on the tailgate and the Lincoln name does not make it bad. The LT is a niche vehicle and fine for what it is. The criticism is more directed toward Ford's and Lincoln's half-hearted effort to recover. It's about product, and the whole company needs a lot more new and interesting machines to sell.
  • balebosbalebos Posts: 3
    Just to let anyone who cares. I got a mark lt about two months ago. I traded in a lincoln aviator (don't buy one of those it is an overpriced explorer) for a mark lt. I didn't really want a full size truck but lincoln dealer was the only one to give anything for the aviator. I hate to admit to it but I like the mark a little more every time I drive it. sure the gas mileage is terrible but it has a great ride for what it is. Plus the lease rates on it were cheap for a truck that lists for 45,000$. I would give it 2 thumbs up.
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    (don't buy one of those it is an overpriced explorer)

    Not to be offensive but isn't that VERY obvious? Even my 16 year old nephew (who is into cars) noticed that
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    You are not being offensive. However, you should know that there are posters on these Lincoln threads who really do believe that the similarities are NOT obvious (in spite of posts like yours, and the poor sales of FoMoCo clones and half-hearted updates).
  • At least the Aviator had it's own specific 300hp engine, unlike the Mark LT which is mechanically, 100% F-150
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    That good, as I re thought myself on that comment. When I post here it not meaning to offend anyone but just to express my points of matter how strange or wrong!LOL I respect that with everyone else here and I glad you did with me.
    It amazes me why people can't see the obvious. :confuse:
    I would never buy one of the "clones" however I do have to admit the IMO some clones look better....even though it only amounts to minor trim/grille changes.
  • No one is finding fault in the truck or it's buyers.
    F-150's are excellent. I have a 2002 f-150 and it's never had a single problem of any kind.

    We are bashing Ford for making such an embarrassingly weak effort at badge engineering.

    Myself, I'd likely buy one if it had any distinctive features at all. A grille and taillights don't count.
  • lyletlylet Posts: 27
    So I guess Lincoln did not show the 07 Mark LT at the New York show!!!
  • Why do I keep think of Lucy holding Charlie Brown's football?

    Hopefully they are holding off while they differentiate it more, but more than likely they are just working to design a larger Lincoln emblem for the grille
  • Wow, it's more dead in this forum than it was in the Mark LT booth at the New York Auto show.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    That's because there's nothing new to discuss about this vehicle, except maybe how the new Escalade EXT will kill its sales.
  • Strange. Didn't Elena Ford herself say they needed to "Lincoln-ize" it more and didn't Sandie Deas, marketing manager for the Mark LT say Ford will show a refreshed version of the Mark LT at April’s New York auto show.
    "While Deas declines to elaborate on specifics, she says there will be some exterior enhancements and additional features and technologies available for the ’07 model year."

    Ford wouldn't promise something and then just flake out--would they? ;)
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Course not. Otherwise they'd be losing billions, losing sales, marketing too few models and not enough cutting edge ones. Why, they'd be in trouble. ;)
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    1021 units, a whopping 48.6 increase over April 2005. If Lincoln were to drop in more design, power and features the Mark LT would be a smash hit. Whatever happened to them showing a 2007 Mark LT at New York?
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