FORD RANGER VS. CHEVY S-10
wannaranger
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Listen folks, I posted a question to get
informative answers to the question I had asked
regarding the Ranger and the S-10. When I got back
online to check the responses, what did I find a
couple of days later? Several posts basically
reverting back to those childish days when we
played the "Mine is better than yours" game. Come
on folks these town hall discussions are meant to
be informative and enlightening, not whose vehicle
is better with insults attached. So grow up a
little and help show those like myself that are
wanting to purchase a truck how much you truly know
and how helpful you can be to others.
Thanks,
wannaranger
informative answers to the question I had asked
regarding the Ranger and the S-10. When I got back
online to check the responses, what did I find a
couple of days later? Several posts basically
reverting back to those childish days when we
played the "Mine is better than yours" game. Come
on folks these town hall discussions are meant to
be informative and enlightening, not whose vehicle
is better with insults attached. So grow up a
little and help show those like myself that are
wanting to purchase a truck how much you truly know
and how helpful you can be to others.
Thanks,
wannaranger
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Thanks,
Wannaranger
p.s. When I get a teaching job, then I'll get the truck or SUV that I like with all the bells and whistles.
I'm a high school student and have a 1999 Ford Ranger Sport regular cab. I too had the delema over which to buy, the Ranger or S-10. As you can see, I ended up with the ranger. I have the 2.5 with a 5 speed. My suggestion is, that you get the 5 speed!!!! Don't get the automatic. The engine is big for a four banger, but it doesn't have much HP. It is often frustrating when, I really need to jet out on to a road quick, but I don't have the power to do it fast!! Don't get me wrong, the engine is good however. It provides excellent torque down low in the rpm, but it runs out when getting into 4th gear. I also like the 5 th gear which is overdrive. It gives me great fuel mileage. I currently get around 25 driving in the city!! The interior is much more comfortable than the s-10 too. It feels like you are driving an Explorer because of the same insturment and dash layout. It also has a higher seating and ride position than the s-10 which I like. Finally, the styling for the money looks much better than the base s-10. I have had many compliments from people thinking I paid a lot for it
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/sflynn/RangerPage.html
P.S.the fl3 stands for florida 3 so don't type
F 1 3.
Thanks,
Wannaranger
If you haven't checked out the New Truck section of this site, you may want to take a look at it. I don't put too much stock in the written reviews (I haven't read them for these two trucks) but do look at the facts and data. One thing that might have an impact on your decision is the results of the crash test. These two trucks were rated in four categories: driver, passenger, side-impact front and crash offset. In these categories, the Ranger scored: good, good, very good, acceptable. The S-10 scored: poor, average, average, marginal.
Make sure to spend some time negotiating a good deal. You should pay well below the sticker price. If you check out the New Truck section, Edmunds list the MSRP and Dealer Invoice prices for each truck and each option. You should be able to get a Ranger for closer to dealer invoice than MSRP. In the Superduty topic areas (where I usually participate) most of the people are buying trucks for about $500 over dealer invoice. Those are $30,000+, so that price is close to $4,000 lower than the MSRP window sticker. A dealer still makes money if he sells you the truck for dealer invoice. He gets a holdback equal to 3% of the MSRP of the vehicle.
Make sure to check for rebates also. Edmunds has a list of rebates for each manufacturer. Rebates are provided by the factory. If the dealer doesn't give them to you, he puts them in his own pocket. Let's say you were willing to pay $500 over dealer invoice and there was a $1,000 rebate. You should now be trying to buy the truck for $500 below dealer invoice. The way to look at a rebate is that it is money the factory is giving to the consumer. Unfortunately, the dealer gets to hold on to it until you claim it. Personally, I think it might be better if the truck just came with a mail-in rebate coupon. Anyway, if there is a rebate, deduct the rebate amount from the dealer invoice and consider that the real dealer invoice price.
In my opinion, you will be at a disadvantage when you first walk into the dealership because you are a female. It's not fair, and it's not always true but, unfortunately, it's the case more often than not. The key to combat this bias is to arm yourself with information. Information is the key to any negotiation. Know your pricing. Know the holdback amount. Know the rebates. If you're financing, try to line up your own financing before you walk into the dealership if possible.
If you can walk in without a trade-in, you will get a better deal. You can count on a dealer to offer you about 2/3 of the trade-in value identified on this site and on the Kelley Blue Book site (www.kbb.com). If they offer you a price on your trade-in that you think is good, you are very likely leaving some money on the other end of the transaction (the purchase of the new truck). Dealers have a net figure in mind that they want to get out of the transaction. If they feel the trade-in price they offer is more important to you than the price they are offering on the new truck, they will likely prop the trade-in price up and compensate by selling you the new truck for a little more than they would have if you didn't have a trade-in. If you don't have a trade-in, you eliminate this. The exception to this rule is if you have a really trashy trade-in that you'll be happy getting anything for.
One thing to remember is that this negotiation process is business, not personal. Don't get suckered in by sympathy for the salesperson. He does this for a living, even if he is new. They are trained to know what buttons to push, what catch-phrases to say, etc. They know how to manipulate the conversation away from areas that may not be going well. They may steer the conversation away from the trade-in price towards the new vehicle price or possibly into the attractive financing. They can get very creative with interest rates and loan lengths. It's not that hard to make a price you don't like, all of sudden, fit really nicely into your budget and my, what a great interest rate you got!
Also, dealers are very good about picking additional money from you after you have a deal you are happy with. There are huge markups on accessories like mud flaps, bug deflectors, visors, window shields, etc. Chances are you will be better off buying these somewhere else. The extended warranty and rust proofing options are things you should research. Edmunds has a Townhall section that discusses these issues.
On the same topic of "business, not personal", don' t let them get you upset (or at least don't let them see you're upset). If they treat you poorly and offer you a lousy deal, even if you feel it's because of your gender or race or anything, keep your professionalism. Thank them for their time and let them know you may call them back after you visit some other dealers. Sometimes, you get the best deals from the jerks who treat you the worst. It doesn't matter. If you get your price, you win.
Just a final comment that you can ignore if you want (of course you can ignore this entire post if you want). I know you mentioned not being able to afford the V-6, but you might take another look at it. The option has a dealer invoice cost of $336 and a MSRP of just under $400. Assuming you split the difference, the cost of the V-6 option on a four year loan at 8% is under $9 per month. That's an extra night or two of Top Ramen each month (I, too, have been to college). I've heard really good feedback on the performance of the V-6 compared to the 4 cylinder. The resale will be higher and the engine should last longer, since it won't have to work as hard as the 4 cylinder to do the same job.
Wannaranger
Anybody out there have one?? need to decide within 2 days
For what its worth _ I loved the silverado --no problems at all -- Just need to save a little money
2.5 and an automatic I drive it every where no problems and the automatic gives me no problem it won't win any drag races but who cares my last ranger was an 89 xlt with a 2.9 and a 5spd no problems with that either rule of thumb take 1 Ranger every 10 years it keeps the mechanic away
I've got a 1985 2.8L V6 4x4 5sp and am thinking of getting a new truck this summer. I'm not sure I need the 4x4, so I would consider the 2.5L 4cyl. The 2.8L is not exactly a dragster, either, so I'm curious...
Any comments you have would be appreciated.
I also agree about the supercab. If you can get the supercab do it, better at resale time.
Truck On!
wannaranger
Jeff
ve seen some with a super shortbed that looks like maybe 4 feet or so and then there are the flare sides, which to me look even more rediculous. Im thinking the Splash is a pretty good example and I'd just like to hear from owners of these trucks. What are the measurements of your bed? What use do you get out of it?
ve seen some with a super shortbed that looks like maybe 4 feet or so and then there are the flare sides, which to me look even more rediculous. Im thinking the Splash is a pretty good example and I'd just like to hear from owners of these trucks. What are the measurements of your bed? What use do you get out of it?
Dan
5 sp, top speed 116 mph on a '00 S10 Xtreme, reg
cab, 5 sp, top speed 93 (limiter) Xtreme handles
much better, better launch, better passing, better fule mileage, no stinking timing belt or twin-plugs (8), S10 2.2 is chain driven cam, roller rockers. Liked the Ranger, but love the
S10.
And dan710, do you race your S10 against other modified rangers on the track or against stock 2.3's on the street? In equally stock form the 2.3 wins out no contest. I've driven both and the wimpy little 2.2 in the S10 pulls in first about as hard as the ranger does in 2nd when starting from rest. The 6 cylender versions of these trucks are a different story and the ranger looses out in acceleration till the 2001 version with the Explorer engine appears. But the ranger's 2.3 will win in a fair fight every time.
CAT-BACK exhaust, Split fire plugs, P245-60r14 Remington's. odometer: 127,210 miles, speedo
off 2.2 mph. Top speed on level road, 105 mpg,
top speed observed on 6% downgrade in Temecula, Ca
from Border check point was between 115-120 mpg.
This vehicle has no speed limiter. Revs were
at 4400 rpm. Max speed climbing 6% grade was
85 mpg... Have over 30 years driving experience,
if you keep revs up, it is possible to get maximum performance.
a cutoff of spark causing severe hesitation. This is due to speed rating of tires. If you
pull VSS cable from tranny, you can go as fast as you want, but your ABS light will come on and SPEEDO will be inoperative. Due to the many
2.2L S10's being sold, it is matter of time before
aftermarket companies came out with programmer to
disable and increase engine performance. Have gotten 29 mpg already. Vehicle currently has 5700 miles...Best handling vehicle I have ever owned...
the Chevy S-10 has the worst record I ever seen.
If you don't believe me ask yourself the following question: Why Ford Ranger is the best selling compact truck in USA for the last twelve years? No half feelings please!
S10, 91, 94, '00....Had several F150's, loved them despite their ugliness, The new '97-00 F150's are breaking sales records, they make me sick just to
look at them, SO WHAT!!!! I would buy a FORD SVT LIGHTENING, but will wait for Chevy's new FORD SPANKING SILVERADO SS and see which would be more to my liking...Just being opinionated is all, no need to burn up your keyboard or laptop with ferocious touch typing to insure a fast rebuttal,
enjoy your Ranger.....
A paradigm by AMORA
After 101K I still have the original battery and brakes. Just well kept maintance is all I have done.
I liked the new front-end styling. Looks good. But I'll wait until the fall to see about the new 4cyl before trading in my old V6 Ranger.
I have a S10 with 2.8 v-6. It's ok. With 117,000 mile on it, it works ok. Pretty reliable, but a lot of little things wrong with it (HVAC, emmissions controls, electrical indicators, etc). It's bench seat is awful from a comfort standpoint.
Am looking at new Rangers. The 2.5 automatic looks pretty good. I wish they had "camper tops" for them at a decent price. Haven't driven one yet..... What's this about a 4.0 motor with an OHC?
I believe the 2WD S-10's are rated at 180HP and the 4WD's are 190HP. Just wondering. Same engine, right?
250 hp 250lbs. Fords 4.0L won't have a chance in engine performance. The new S-10 is also suppossed to be "worry-free" meaning less worries, less mantainance, better quaility.
The 4.3 offered for the S-10 now is comparable to the new ford 4.0L coming out. Ya the ford may have more hp, but torque is what matters when using it for work or play. Hp comes in to play at the highest rpm points, when the torque curves drop off, and who races while pulling a trailer.
My 83 wasnt the fastest thing with the 2.8 and a carb but it got the job done. In fact I wish I couldve kept it to drive in the winter but my cousin wanted it and after getting my new truck.......well it was much easier to part with my 83 even after 300,000 trouble free miles.
Now the S10 isnt the best truck in the world, if it was everyone would have one, but theyve been very good to me.