Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

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  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    That's what they've been doing with the Zephyr. It's hard to see because it's not an actual rebate but they were discounting the Zephyr's around $4K as part of a factory subsidized lease program.

    I think it's smart, too. It not only gives people great deals and gets the cars on the road without huge cash rebates, but it almost guarantees another sale in 2-3 years when the lease is up (provided they like the car and want to stay with Ford/Lincoln/Mercury).
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    Car_Man in Zephyr Lease Questions isn't expecting to see any info until October. You might want to keep an eye out there for any updates.

    Car_man, "Lincoln Zephyr: Lease Questions" #12, 16 Sep 2006 11:50 am
  • BeamerManBeamerMan Member Posts: 64
    Yes. I have been asking around for a lease factor percent and can't get a thing. The dealer wants to order one for me but doesn't know percents. I read that recidual is 50 percent. Appreciate any other information. My Z4 lease is up in July but I hope to sell and get the MKZ sooner. I saw a 06 Zepher last week and the interior is awesome, fit and finish good, owner said he loved it.
  • richa502richa502 Member Posts: 16
    Has anyone noticed that the Zephyr does not have air ducts (vents) for the rear seats? I think it's a shame if they don't add that to the MKZ...how can you call that a luxury sedan!?
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    Who said it's a luxury sedan? It's a Mazda.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    Having it on a sub 30k car is pretty nice to begin with. I don't even know too many vehicles that have this feature. BTW I see some MKZ's in my local dealer lots (according to their website). I'll have to check them out at some point.
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    My Sable has it and its MSRP was about $24,000
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Good comeback. Many "run of the mill" models have it, including some subcompacts.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    Which vehicles? I love leather seats, but I always find them too hot. I'd like to find a cheaper car that offers air conditioned leather seats. I've never seen one though.

    BTW the local Lincoln dealer has some MKZs listed in inventory already. They look nice. Don't have 35k to blow on a fully loaded MKZ though. :(
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    Which dealer has the MKZ? Can't wait to see them. I am expecting to pay around 35k but I want the one will all the bells and whistles. I saw the ads last night on TV. They are reallly pushing the performance aspect of this one.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    I live in the metro Detroit area and all of the dealers seem to have them. I'm doing a search on Lincoln's website though. I have not confirmed this in person. All of them seem to be fully loaded (FWD and AWD). If you take a look at one you'll have to let me know how it is. :D
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    Yes, there are there:

    http://www.lincoln.com/shoptools/config.asp?configAction=searchInventory&brandCo- de=Lincoln&vehicle=mkz&modelYear=2007
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    I stand corrected there are in all of the dealerships in Virginia. I am going to take a look! Is the AWD version worth the extra dollars?
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Be aware that the cars usually show in stock at the dealership 2 weeks before they are actually delivered.
  • rolo77rolo77 Member Posts: 31
    Would any one know if the magnaflow exhaust made for the Zephyr part 16675 retail 794.96, fit on the new MKZ 07 AWD, with the larger engine would the exhaust change also, or stay the
    same.

    Chief

    Please no abuse on this one, just want a poor man hot rod Lincoln
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    You need to contact Magnaflow on that one, any opinion other than theirs is worthless.

    I'd think a different engine and adding rear drive would certainly change the exhaust configuration. (See worthless opinion disclaimer, above)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Oh, scooter, you are my hero!

    Did anyone notice? Even after about a year on the market, and even though the MKZ is the best Lincoln has to offer right now, the sales figures are way less than the 50,000 range one would expect for a competitive near luxury sedan?
  • maizeandblue7maizeandblue7 Member Posts: 3
    I went to buy the MKZ this weekend. I have never been so disappointed in a car. The engine, even with the extra HP, seemed to lag. More unimpressive was the interior of the car, which looks so good on their website. If you touch the materials, you will realize they are very cheap and feel like they could break easily. I have been looking for over a year and thought I found the car I wanted. I guess I will keep looking.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Sounds like you have overly high expectations. Let us know if you find another car in the same price range that does a lot better.
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    I agree, at the price range the car really looks and feels good. I am very happy with the Zephyr and look forward to checking out the MKZ.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    I haven't driven the MKZ yet, but I wonder if it has anything to do with that AISIN transmission (AISIN is a Toyota subsidiary). There are a bunch of people in the Camry forums complaining that the 07 transmission lags a lot. Ford should look into putting that 6F transmission that's in the Edge/MKX. We'll have to see the reviews to see how it performs.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Ahem....it DOES have the 6F transmission that's going in the Edge/MKX. And the same 3.5L engine. The Aisin unit went out with the 3.0L and the Zephyr name.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    Not true. I have the Ford Plant source guide here with me and it clearly states that the 6F is only being shipped to Oakville. Also the gear ratios of the MKX and MKZ are different according to Ford's website. There's no way they could be the same transmission.

    Gear Ratios (MKZ)
    1st 4.15:1
    2nd 2.37:1
    3rd 1.56:1
    4th 1.16:1
    5th 0.86:1
    6th 0.69:1

    Gear Ratios (MKX)
    1st 4.484
    2nd 2.872
    3rd 1.842
    4th 1.414
    5th 1.000
    6th 0.742

    Ford Media
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    The plan was clearly to use the Ford/GM joint venture 6 speed tranny exclusively with the 3.5L Duratec. Either they changed their mind and kept the Aisin unit or it's a misprint.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    That's probably the eventual plan, but I think Ford figured the replacement costs would be too high and no one would really notice. It's a shame since Edmunds seems to feel that the transmission was the problem to begin with. I haven't driven the vehicle so I wouldn't know how it actually responds. Toyota seems to be able to put out less than stellar transmissions though and still get a strong response. That's the power of image that Lincoln has lost.
  • displacedtexandisplacedtexan Member Posts: 364
    More unimpressive was the interior of the car, which looks so good on their website. If you touch the materials, you will realize they are very cheap and feel like they could break easily.

    I thought the same thing about the fully optioned Toyota Camry XLE. At a $31,000 plus sticker and the Toyota name, I expected much better.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I confirmed this with a Ford engineer. Apparently there wasn't enough time to get the engineering done for the MKZ and the Edge/MKX. At least they're both 6 speeds.
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    Now I am beggining to wonder if I should wait another year?
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I'd take a test drive and if it drives ok - go for it. I don't think it's going to make a big difference. They're both 6 speeds and I haven't heard of any reliability problems with the Aisin units.
  • comp386comp386 Member Posts: 56
    akirby, do you know when they're going to stick the 6F into the MKZ? I haven't driven either one of those transmissions, but I'm hearing good things about the 6F.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    The engineer didn't say, but I would expect it for the next model year (2008).
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    I am in the DC area and wonder if the AWD MKZ is worth the extra money?
  • BeamerManBeamerMan Member Posts: 64
    Just to let you guys and Carman know the current lease programs for the MKZ are great. 24 months= 1% interest(x24 for factor) residual=65 %, 36 months-1.5% and a 50 % residual. This is a good deal. I got this from my friend who is a Lincoln sales manager in Virginia. Hope it helps. Wayne.
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    Look at several of them. I am waiting to see them in Black and Blue with dark interiors. You really have to look close to see the difference. The only reason I am thinking about getting one is that I purchased the stripped down version of the Zephyr for around 28k but now want a Nav and THX and moonroof. Not sure if having the AWD will help on the resale.

    I saw on the lots several Zephyrs with aftermarket enhancements such as cloth roof and additional chrome. They really looked nice. I look at the catalog of an aftermarket service and you can put some nice touches on whatever you get these days.

    I am also going to wait to see the MKx that is suppose to drop here in a few weeks. I did sit in the new Navigator and it is really nice. If I still had kids around I would consider that. It runs on regular gas now also but the interior is really something to see.

    Interesting discussion with the sales rep while I was waiting on my 10k service about the Lincoln's future strategy concerning the Towncar and Limo business.

    Oh the choices! :)
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Interesting discussion with the sales rep while I was waiting on my 10k service about the Lincoln's future strategy concerning the Towncar and Limo business.

    AND??????
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    Oh yeah :) He was not sure what it was going to be. He talked about all the interest in the MKs at the auto show last year here in DC. He was not too sure about how the MKs would sit with all of the Limo industry folks who love the stretch versions of the TC and Navigator. He talked about the FWD Caddy versus the RWD Lincolns and how the folks who run them 100k milage per year like the maintenance on the Lincoln better.

    He talked about how Lincoln does not want to piss off the old Lincoln crowd however they are dying out (literally) and they want go start building a base for the future.

    That was about it.
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    The Limo/Black Sedan business will never embrace a V-6 FWD big car. Especially a turbo version.

    Despite being FWD, the Cadillac has a proven and powerful V-8.

    Chrysler must be praying Lincoln puts it's eggs in the MKS basket.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    With dealers offering to put fake roof coverings on the MKZ, the marketing is unfocused/all over the place. It certainly won't make the MKZ or MKS more useful to the livery business. Those glued on padded things are an abomination on any car, but thankfully are much more rare now that the set who tend to demand them as dressup are now in nursing homes or deceased.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Lincoln has already confirmed that they'll move Town Car production to the CV/GM plant, so they're not abandoning it. The MKS is not the TC replacement.
  • rolo77rolo77 Member Posts: 31
    Dan, we've confirmed with Ford that the Aisin F21 6-speed automatic is the

    transmission used for 2007 MKZ. Our contact at Product Development advised

    the plan is to use the Aisin transmission through at least the 2008 model

    year.

    I was unable to find any reference in Lincoln's product information to the

    new 6F transmission being used on MKZ.

    here is the answer I got from the dealer

    Chief
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Thank you for confirming what I had already confirmed with a Ford engineer.
  • rolo77rolo77 Member Posts: 31
    The engineer didn't say, but I would expect it for the next model year (2008)

    Our contact at Product Development advised

    the plan is to use the Aisin transmission through at least the 2008 model year.

    The difference is the year "expect it for 2008" VS "through at least the 2008 model year"

    Chief
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Got it. Thanks.
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    What does this mean to the average Joe?
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    Some of the colors on the lot do not perform any justice to the car. Looks like the Black, Blue, and Merlot are the best. The rest of them look like Grandma.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    What does this mean to the average Joe?

    Absolutely nothing.
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    So not enough to reconsider getting the 2007 MKZ right?
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    No - they're both 6 speed transmissions and you probably couldn't tell the difference between them. It was more of an engineering issue as to why they didn't use it - not a product issue.
  • displacedtexandisplacedtexan Member Posts: 364
    Looks like the Black, Blue, and Merlot are the best.

    I agree - the car looks great in dark colors.

    Somebody around here mentioned seeing one with a cloth top. I couldn't imagine anyone doing that to the car, until I saw a cloth top on a Chrysler 300! No accounting for taste.
  • bigtbigt Member Posts: 412
    How do you think this stacks up, seems to be same price.
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