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Bob
That large pic looks very black, I like that one more than the others I've seen.
I really want to see it in person now.
-juice
My e-mail address is in my profile, which you can view by clicking on my name.
1. Aux jack for media players (i.e. an ipod hook-up)
2. Rear vision camera (mounted in the license plate area)
3. 2-position driver's seat memory
4. Brake Assist (senses panic stops and immediately applies maximum braking pressure)
5. Rollover sensor
6. Reverse assist sensors
7. Remote starter
8. Cargo cover (spring loaded retractable)
The new special edition package (with chrome mesh grill and chrome wheels) includes a built-in XM radio. It's not clear if this is available as an option on "non-special edition" models.
Any mention of schedule?
I need an SUV that has some moderate off road capability. Nothing extreme- but perhaps a bit beyond what most AWD crossover vehicles can handle.
You can read more about the AWD system from links at this Subaru page:
http://www.subaru.com/sub/misc/safety/index.html#
Once you click on the AWD system, click again on "what's the difference". You'll see Subaru offers different types of AWD in their vehicles - B9 Tribeca's is called VTD. You can also read about VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control), which is standard on B9 Tribeca. When those two systems work together, the Tribeca can control power to wheels left and right and well as front and rear.
Tribeca's ground clearance is excellent for its class, also - a healthy 8.4" at the lowest part - the tailpipes. Subaru does a nice job keeping the parts tucked up tight and out of the way. It's always amazing to me how the Subie boxer engine & drivetrain layout allows them to offer great ground clearance while maintaining a low center of gravity for better handling and safety.
-juice
It's probably the same color as on the new OB SE. In December I almost put down a deposit for the OB SE but nobody had color chips or knew when the car would be available.
I believe it is very similar to the dark grey metalic thet Lexus uses on thir RX 330.
Anyway, I went for the Tribeca as you already know. I sold my van to my mechanic - 7 miles later the Radiator blew. He didn't see it coming - he 's worked on the car for 8 years.
I felt bad - he said Don't worry It's not your fault.
Guess the Beca and me were ment to be.
Charlie
Subaru Production Schedule
1. Aux jack for media players (i.e. an ipod hook-up)
2. Rear vision camera (mounted in the license plate area)
3. 2-position driver's seat memory
4. Brake Assist (senses panic stops and immediately applies maximum braking pressure)
5. Rollover sensor
6. Reverse assist sensors
7. Remote starter
8. Cargo cover (spring loaded retractable)
The new special edition package (with chrome mesh grill and chrome wheels) includes a built-in XM radio. It's not clear if this is available as an option on "non-special edition" models.
Interesting info. That kind of sucks that the built in integrated XM is mentioned with the special addition. I probably wanted the black grille but if its the same as the old and the mesh is diff then that may be cool and can just paint it body color if I dont like the chrome.
Prob don't want the chrome wheels either but can just change them.
It might be like how nav was only offered on the 7 passenger at first and later on the 5. So they migh offer the XM later for non special addition.
What else do you get/is forced on you with the special additon? Only 1 color choice with SE?
I'd prob want to stick with white ext. and beige int. and the dark metalic grey will prob only come with grey or black interior. I already had grey interior for 5 yrs on last car and only will have had the desert beige for a year when I want to trade in for the 07 which I have a feeling is what I will have to do as i dont think the XM or the retractable cargo cover will be able to be added.
Will resale value of the 06 limited with 3rd row and dvd be good? I've never gotten the new model a year after getting the previous but may have to and thats what i get I guess for getting vehicle when it first came out. Its fine though as long as I feel the amount I lose in resale is worth a year of use and the miles i put on.
I can save this time by not getting the 3rd row nor the dvd (I may add headrest screens and dvd later)
anyone know if the new built in XM is goign to work with the touch screen?
Also, one of my front tires was off the driveway and on the grass which dug down to and slipped in the mud. Once I shoveled out my driveway entrance from the plow pile up though I was able to get it.
Also this was with my 20" 255/45/20 Toyo Proxes S/T (all season) tires.
Again driving, grip, handling in the snow was superb. Very impressed with Subarus AWD system as a first time Subaru owner and now can never go back to anything else (except maybe Audi's awd)
So Tribeca in May, Forester in June, Legacy in July. Sounds about right. Impreza two months after that.
Resale should be good. All Subies do well, above the residuals they forecast for leases, for instance. My '98 Forester is worth more than a '98 Grand Cherokee, even though I paid $10 grand less when both were new.
Edit: the local CarMax has Tribecas starting from 29,995.
-juice
Have you tried flooring it on the snow. When I do it with mine, I can spin the tires forever. I do not see the traction controls kicking in and reducing engine power. Under normal driving on snow everything feels fine but in the extreme that I described it is very squirrely.
Any comments from others?
Meanwhile, Subaru dealers want more models under $20K (Straightline)
Steve, Host
Wonder how many of the needed fixes (the audio jacks, a REAL rear cargo cover, reverse cam) can be retro fitted on the 2006 B9s? hopefully they thought about their current owners who gave them the feedback to fix it on the 2007 model :confuse:
and no improvment to the fog lights!
if its mostly by miles then how much would you say its value depreciates per ...say 1000 miles.
Just on mileage alone, maybe look at the IRS rates. (44.5 cents per mile). I think the hit is going to be lots bigger than ~$500.
"Drive a new car off the lot and it can lose 20 percent of its value." (link). Edmunds TCO tool pegs the first year depreciation at $5,697.
Steve, Host
I will take it in for a look see.
Thanks
4,409 pounds (2000 kg) standard towing. Moonroof is optional on European models. No mention of chrome mesh grille model (SE).
Bob
To update some info details that some have asked about:
XM Satelite Radio does not have Touch Screen Control and it is XM only no Sirius
The new Cargo Cover might not be retro-fitable into the 06 because of how it mounts on the plastic side panels. No mount points molded into the 06. They did not have one at the show.
The rear assist is a retro-fit but was told that we 06 owners would be better off going with an after market system. Factory system will cost 2 to 3 times that of after market.
The engine in the B9 has been de-tuned to 245HP & has less torque as well. No reason given. The SE apparently is 250 HP. Go figure.
The chrome mesh grill looks good at first glance and is a retro-fit on 06s. But it looks a bit chintzy. The gauge of the mesh is kind of thin - a heavier gauge would look much better and black chrome would be really cool.
The rest you have read before.
well the only thing currently touch is the nav anyway. the current audio is by the buttons so that's fine iguess as long as it is integrated and displays all info clearly. maybe they will have a second smaller display of basic info (channel/song) on the dash for when you have the display on something other then the audio (ie map) like the way the chrysler 300 has but I won't count on it. this will be their first integrated sat radio but at least they are trying and listening to the surveys ( I know sat radio was one of the top most requested additions on my survey.
guess its harder to offer a choice (xm or sirius) but I know infiniti does on the fx. knew this was coming as my subie dealer had lots of xm advertising and no sirius. its fine with me.
The new Cargo Cover might not be retro-fitable into the 06 because of how it mounts on the plastic side panels. No mount points molded into the 06.
that mighr be the deal breaker for me to have to get the 07 then. I dealt with the cargo cover but it does suck and waa prob the only thing that was a down grade from what I had before.
The rear assist is a retro-fit but was told that we 06 owners would be better off going with an after market system. Factory system will cost 2 to 3 times that of after market.
yeah why is that to add a factory option after the fact more expensive then after market. ppl said after market dvd was cheaper and better then stock but I wanted the audio inputs in rear that came with dvd but won't need that with the new input up front and as long as the audio can be input directly with after market dvd on the 07 (because it seemed it wasn't possible with after market dvd on the 06?) I'd maybe mspt how and who did the headrest screens with dvd in their bosal performance b9 at auto show. that way I can wait awhile (even have a kid) and add the dual screen headrest setup.
The engine in the B9 has been de-tuned to 245HP & has less torque as well. No reason given. The SE apparently is 250 HP. Go figure.
this is surprising and not favorable news. to detune the non se 07 in hp and tourque which is already on the lower side and now that I think about one of the other top most requested improvements in the 06 owner surveys. instead of increasing the performance in some way on the se they just decrease the regular. they could have done minor tweaks with some better performance parts (air intake comes to mind) to increase the hp at least slightly if they couldn't realisticly increase the hp and tourque significantly as requested. for those that don't want/need the SE this actually makes the 06 better then 07.
The chrome mesh grill looks good at first glance and is a retro-fit on 06s. But it looks a bit chintzy. The gauge of the mesh is kind of thin - a heavier gauge would look much better and black chrome would be really cool.
hm the mesh sounded good but I was worried it would be the thinner plasticky chrome like the current. speaking of black, isn't that what will be standard on the non se. the black grille and sides with just chrome surround on the center.
if the mesh is rarer and newer i'd get that and just get it painted black or body color.
Edmunds TCO tool pegs the first year depreciation at $5,697.
so if I sell/trade in my 06 b9 after 1 year I should expect to lose about 5,697 plus 44.5 cents per mile? that doesn't seem horrible. wouldn't a year of leasing cost more then that?
is it going to be much of a loss selling/trading an 06 b9 with say almost 15k miles (i shouldn't end up with much more then that by the 1 year mark).
I couldn't have waited till the 07 so as lomg as its a reasonable loss close to worth having driven it for a year it is what I will have to do if I really want the new features that can't be added to the 06.
the fact that 07 non se's will be less hp and torque keeps the 06 value higher.
I realize diff in trade in and private party sale figures but I have a friend with some dealerships (not subie) who bought my last so as long as he can (which I'm sure he won't have trouble selling an 06 b9) then he usually gives a decent little amoiunt more then dealers tradein price offer.
I'll wait till july.
Not tryin' to tell you what to do, but just my 2 cents.
-Brian
That is good point and I forgot to ask the rep at the show that question. But then why is the SE 250 HP? If they switched to the SAE standard and they wanted to tweak the SE up, they would add more than 5HP - wouldn't they?
Bob
Not tryin' to tell you what to do, but just my 2 cents.
Probably good advice. I will have to see what I can get for my 06 and what kind of price I can get the 07 with everything I want for as well. By 08 I will have more miles on my 06 but to get new in 07 and then again in 08 can't be cost effective. The way I was figuring on saving on the 07 was not getting third row this time (that i had to to get nav at the time) and wont get the DVD option this time either that I initially didn't want but the only one in the color with the options i wanted had it which i was later glad for the audio inputs I use every day but wont need them now with the aux input upfront.
I guess there is no way of knowing for sure what the 08 model might have. But being that my main requests are fulfilled in the 07, the 08 may not have anything new I need and will be able to get more money on resale for the 06 after 1 year rather then 2.
again it will all depend on what price i get on resale and what kind of price i can get the 07 for. I may have to come up with a figure that I feel is worth the 1 year of use. Was a year worth 10,000? I think so but not much more and I estimate to be at around 12,000 miles at the 1 year point which multiplied by 44.5 cents a mile and added to the 5,697 estimated depreciation after 1 year as quoted in an above post I am at more like 11,000.
Other problem is, I paid only 1,000 under msrp (about 2,000 above invoice i think) so I will lose more as I'll be lucky to get invoice minus that depreciation and mileage back. Only way it would work is if i get a great price at or close to invoice on the new which is possible if I just be patient and wait till a local dealer has on lot exactly what i want without having to order. Or what is that one huge dealer with great prices online. Can they deliver your anywhere?
I think if i set a limit on what i would put out extra to trade in for the 07 of say 10,000 which is what I'd be willing to put out on top of my 06 resale money for an 07. That could be cutting it close but i think its possible especially when not getting 3rd row or dvd in the 07. So I'll see, if i can get one by only adding that much or less then I would, any higher and maybe I'll wait till 08.
but it does concern me if they lost hp on the std 2007. I would think they would be the same SE vs standard 2007 models.
and again (the big issue) NO MESH on the fog lights! they develop a new grill but dont fix the broken fog lights potential. my XPEL film has taken some serious dings but so far lens is holding (knock on wood).
The HP thing is very strange
-Brian
This info was disclosed by an SOA district rep to a Subie sales guy over at nabisco.
Bob