Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    So when can we expect the 2007 Tribeca? Memorial Day? Labor day?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Sometime in May I believe.

    Bob
  • cluelesspacluelesspa Member Posts: 648
    I wonder if they fixed the foglights. it kind of looks like they are different in the picture.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Different photos change the overall look significantly.

    That large pic looks very black, I like that one more than the others I've seen.

    I really want to see it in person now.

    -juice
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    It's against this site's policies for me to name the other forum here.

    My e-mail address is in my profile, which you can view by clicking on my name.
  • easym1easym1 Member Posts: 218
    Subaru got a very quality review but can't seem to get things right. They should re-design almost all it's car to attract buyers in my opinion. I've been waiting for Subaru to produce a handsome/sexy good looking car so I can buy one but always get dissapointed...Tribeca is a flawed design...Whenever I look at it, it says'don't buy me!'
  • new2subnew2sub Member Posts: 6
    I was at the Chicago auto show yesterday and picked up a brochure for the 2007 beca. The "new features" include:
    1. Aux jack for media players (i.e. an ipod hook-up)
    2. Rear vision camera (mounted in the license plate area)
    3. 2-position driver's seat memory
    4. Brake Assist (senses panic stops and immediately applies maximum braking pressure)
    5. Rollover sensor
    6. Reverse assist sensors
    7. Remote starter
    8. Cargo cover (spring loaded retractable)

    The new special edition package (with chrome mesh grill and chrome wheels) includes a built-in XM radio. It's not clear if this is available as an option on "non-special edition" models.
  • b9bingob9bingo Member Posts: 46
    I'm amazed at how easily the B9 gets through deep snow as if it wasn't even there. I drove all over the back roads through snow as deep as a foot with no problem at all. So many cars even saw a few Suv's (Most likely not 4x4) stuck in the snow. I'm very very happy with the B9 on such a nasty day like this.
  • tyyeh0tyyeh0 Member Posts: 43
    Do you mind scanning the photos? any changes to the exterior?
    Any mention of schedule?
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    I got the brochure from my dealer as well. The same pics and info are available at the Subaru media site.
  • morey000morey000 Member Posts: 384
    does anybody have any 'off road' experience with the Tribeca? I realize it isn't a hummer- but how does the AWD system work when one or two wheels lose traction?

    I need an SUV that has some moderate off road capability. Nothing extreme- but perhaps a bit beyond what most AWD crossover vehicles can handle.
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    The Tribeca is a rear-drive-bias AWD, 55% rear 45% front. The rear differential locks to help with extreme conditions. You may want to shut off the traction/stability control if it's muddy.
  • newtosubienewtosubie Member Posts: 39
    Any word on new colors? Looks like the SE might be the diamond gray color. Someone mentioned there would be a few other new colors. The SOA media site didn't mention it. Thanks.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    I'll start with the caveat that Tribeca isn't really meant for "off road", but "off pavement". Muddy, rutted, gravel and dirt Forest Service roads? No problem. Climbing boulders and scrambling through streams, not so much. I don't think any crossover is made for "off road".

    You can read more about the AWD system from links at this Subaru page:
    http://www.subaru.com/sub/misc/safety/index.html#

    Once you click on the AWD system, click again on "what's the difference". You'll see Subaru offers different types of AWD in their vehicles - B9 Tribeca's is called VTD. You can also read about VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control), which is standard on B9 Tribeca. When those two systems work together, the Tribeca can control power to wheels left and right and well as front and rear.

    Tribeca's ground clearance is excellent for its class, also - a healthy 8.4" at the lowest part - the tailpipes. Subaru does a nice job keeping the parts tucked up tight and out of the way. It's always amazing to me how the Subie boxer engine & drivetrain layout allows them to offer great ground clearance while maintaining a low center of gravity for better handling and safety.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob described it to me as a dark gray with a lot of metallic in it. Can't wait to see it.

    -juice
  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    Juice,

    It's probably the same color as on the new OB SE. In December I almost put down a deposit for the OB SE but nobody had color chips or knew when the car would be available.

    I believe it is very similar to the dark grey metalic thet Lexus uses on thir RX 330.

    Anyway, I went for the Tribeca as you already know. I sold my van to my mechanic - 7 miles later the Radiator blew. He didn't see it coming - he 's worked on the car for 8 years.
    I felt bad - he said Don't worry It's not your fault.

    Guess the Beca and me were ment to be.

    Charlie
  • newtosubienewtosubie Member Posts: 39
    FWIW - Picked this site up from a post on a Toyota forum...

    Subaru Production Schedule
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    I was at the Chicago auto show yesterday and picked up a brochure for the 2007 beca. The "new features" include:
    1. Aux jack for media players (i.e. an ipod hook-up)
    2. Rear vision camera (mounted in the license plate area)
    3. 2-position driver's seat memory
    4. Brake Assist (senses panic stops and immediately applies maximum braking pressure)
    5. Rollover sensor
    6. Reverse assist sensors
    7. Remote starter
    8. Cargo cover (spring loaded retractable)

    The new special edition package (with chrome mesh grill and chrome wheels) includes a built-in XM radio. It's not clear if this is available as an option on "non-special edition" models.


    Interesting info. That kind of sucks that the built in integrated XM is mentioned with the special addition. I probably wanted the black grille but if its the same as the old and the mesh is diff then that may be cool and can just paint it body color if I dont like the chrome.

    Prob don't want the chrome wheels either but can just change them.

    It might be like how nav was only offered on the 7 passenger at first and later on the 5. So they migh offer the XM later for non special addition.

    What else do you get/is forced on you with the special additon? Only 1 color choice with SE?

    I'd prob want to stick with white ext. and beige int. and the dark metalic grey will prob only come with grey or black interior. I already had grey interior for 5 yrs on last car and only will have had the desert beige for a year when I want to trade in for the 07 which I have a feeling is what I will have to do as i dont think the XM or the retractable cargo cover will be able to be added.

    Will resale value of the 06 limited with 3rd row and dvd be good? I've never gotten the new model a year after getting the previous but may have to and thats what i get I guess for getting vehicle when it first came out. Its fine though as long as I feel the amount I lose in resale is worth a year of use and the miles i put on.

    I can save this time by not getting the 3rd row nor the dvd (I may add headrest screens and dvd later)

    anyone know if the new built in XM is goign to work with the touch screen?
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    We also got hit with almost 2 feet of snow in our area and my B9 handled superbly. I did try to power through my unshoveled driveway and did fine till I hit the drift at the bottom piled up from the street being plowed.

    Also, one of my front tires was off the driveway and on the grass which dug down to and slipped in the mud. Once I shoveled out my driveway entrance from the plow pile up though I was able to get it.

    Also this was with my 20" 255/45/20 Toyo Proxes S/T (all season) tires.

    Again driving, grip, handling in the snow was superb. Very impressed with Subarus AWD system as a first time Subaru owner and now can never go back to anything else (except maybe Audi's awd)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Charlie: nice timing! ;)

    So Tribeca in May, Forester in June, Legacy in July. Sounds about right. Impreza two months after that.

    Resale should be good. All Subies do well, above the residuals they forecast for leases, for instance. My '98 Forester is worth more than a '98 Grand Cherokee, even though I paid $10 grand less when both were new.

    Edit: the local CarMax has Tribecas starting from 29,995.

    -juice
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    Again driving, grip, handling in the snow was superb. Very impressed with Subarus AWD system

    Have you tried flooring it on the snow. When I do it with mine, I can spin the tires forever. I do not see the traction controls kicking in and reducing engine power. Under normal driving on snow everything feels fine but in the extreme that I described it is very squirrely.

    Any comments from others?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    2007 B9 Tribeca Special Edition (Inside Line)

    image

    Meanwhile, Subaru dealers want more models under $20K (Straightline)

    Steve, Host
  • cluelesspacluelesspa Member Posts: 648
    thanks for the link. the interior looks the same other then the rear camera and the audio jacks.

    Wonder how many of the needed fixes (the audio jacks, a REAL rear cargo cover, reverse cam) can be retro fitted on the 2006 B9s? hopefully they thought about their current owners who gave them the feedback to fix it on the 2007 model :confuse:

    and no improvment to the fog lights!
  • cluelesspacluelesspa Member Posts: 648
    b9bingo are you using snow tires?
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    its not listed @ kbb.com under suv and subaru. any other site to get the trade in, retail and private party value of your 06 b9 according to what mileage you hae and options etc.

    if its mostly by miles then how much would you say its value depreciates per ...say 1000 miles.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    You can get some more advice in the Real-World Trade-In Values discussion.

    Just on mileage alone, maybe look at the IRS rates. (44.5 cents per mile). I think the hit is going to be lots bigger than ~$500.

    "Drive a new car off the lot and it can lose 20 percent of its value." (link). Edmunds TCO tool pegs the first year depreciation at $5,697.

    Steve, Host
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    First make sure you haven't disabled the system by hitting the button, then get the car to your dealer, it should kick in during slippage...is the warning light flashing? If it is you may simply be experiencing the limits of the system.
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    The switch was not turned off. I'll check regarding the flashing, but even if the system is at its limits, it should still be trying to control events and not just give up.

    I will take it in for a look see.

    Thanks
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/news/press/2006/06_02_10e.pdf

    4,409 pounds (2000 kg) standard towing. Moonroof is optional on European models. No mention of chrome mesh grille model (SE).

    Bob
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    I just returned from the Chicago Auto Show

    To update some info details that some have asked about:

    XM Satelite Radio does not have Touch Screen Control and it is XM only no Sirius

    The new Cargo Cover might not be retro-fitable into the 06 because of how it mounts on the plastic side panels. No mount points molded into the 06. They did not have one at the show.

    The rear assist is a retro-fit but was told that we 06 owners would be better off going with an after market system. Factory system will cost 2 to 3 times that of after market.

    The engine in the B9 has been de-tuned to 245HP & has less torque as well. No reason given. The SE apparently is 250 HP. Go figure.

    The chrome mesh grill looks good at first glance and is a retro-fit on 06s. But it looks a bit chintzy. The gauge of the mesh is kind of thin - a heavier gauge would look much better and black chrome would be really cool.

    The rest you have read before.
  • dean7dean7 Member Posts: 32
    What is the ideal city driving tire pressure? I am at 31.5 cold but don't know if this is best. Thanks.
  • b9bingob9bingo Member Posts: 46
    No, I'm using factory tires, and I had zero traction isues.
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
     XM Satelite Radio does not have Touch Screen Control and it is XM only no Sirius

    well the only thing currently touch is the nav anyway. the current audio is by the buttons so that's fine iguess as long as it is integrated and displays all info clearly. maybe they will have a second smaller display of basic info (channel/song) on the dash for when you have the display on something other then the audio (ie map) like the way the chrysler 300 has but I won't count on it. this will be their first integrated sat radio but at least they are trying and listening to the surveys ( I know sat radio was one of the top most requested additions on my survey.

    guess its harder to offer a choice (xm or sirius) but I know infiniti does on the fx. knew this was coming as my subie dealer had lots of xm advertising and no sirius. its fine with me.

    The new Cargo Cover might not be retro-fitable into the 06 because of how it mounts on the plastic side panels. No mount points molded into the 06.

    that mighr be the deal breaker for me to have to get the 07 then. I dealt with the cargo cover but it does suck and waa prob the only thing that was a down grade from what I had before.

    The rear assist is a retro-fit but was told that we 06 owners would be better off going with an after market system. Factory system will cost 2 to 3 times that of after market.
     


    yeah why is that to add a factory option after the fact more expensive then after market. ppl said after market dvd was cheaper and better then stock but I wanted the audio inputs in rear that came with dvd but won't need that with the new input up front and as long as the audio can be input directly with after market dvd on the 07 (because it seemed it wasn't possible with after market dvd on the 06?) I'd maybe mspt how and who did the headrest screens with dvd in their bosal performance b9 at auto show. that way I can wait awhile (even have a kid) and add the dual screen headrest setup.

    The engine in the B9 has been de-tuned to 245HP & has less torque as well. No reason given. The SE apparently is 250 HP. Go figure.

    this is surprising and not favorable news. to detune the non se 07 in hp and tourque which is already on the lower side and now that I think about one of the other top most requested improvements in the 06 owner surveys. instead of increasing the performance in some way on the se they just decrease the regular. they could have done minor tweaks with some better performance parts (air intake comes to mind) to increase the hp at least slightly if they couldn't realisticly increase the hp and tourque significantly as requested. for those that don't want/need the SE this actually makes the 06 better then 07.

    The chrome mesh grill looks good at first glance and is a retro-fit on 06s. But it looks a bit chintzy. The gauge of the mesh is kind of thin - a heavier gauge would look much better and black chrome would be really cool.

    hm the mesh sounded good but I was worried it would be the thinner plasticky chrome like the current. speaking of black, isn't that what will be standard on the non se. the black grille and sides with just chrome surround on the center.

    if the mesh is rarer and newer i'd get that and just get it painted black or body color.
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    Just on mileage alone, maybe look at the IRS rates. (44.5 cents per mile).
    Edmunds TCO tool pegs the first year depreciation at $5,697.


    so if I sell/trade in my 06 b9 after 1 year I should expect to lose about 5,697 plus 44.5 cents per mile? that doesn't seem horrible. wouldn't a year of leasing cost more then that?

    is it going to be much of a loss selling/trading an 06 b9 with say almost 15k miles (i shouldn't end up with much more then that by the 1 year mark).

    I couldn't have waited till the 07 so as lomg as its a reasonable loss close to worth having driven it for a year it is what I will have to do if I really want the new features that can't be added to the 06.

    the fact that 07 non se's will be less hp and torque keeps the 06 value higher.

    I realize diff in trade in and private party sale figures but I have a friend with some dealerships (not subie) who bought my last so as long as he can (which I'm sure he won't have trouble selling an 06 b9) then he usually gives a decent little amoiunt more then dealers tradein price offer.

    I'll wait till july.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    When you get a new car, it's always a gamble that next year's model won't offer some killer feature you can't live without. You might consider holding onto it another year to see what happens with the '08s. Subaru is still rumored to be working on a new front end design for the B9, and you're more likely to see another engine option then. It'd be a pity to upgrade to an '07 for a few minor things like the cargo cover, only to have the '08s offer something substantially different. You could still change out the grille on your '06 for mesh instead and, if you can live without a "real" cargo cover for another 15 months, have the chance to check out an '08 before making a decision that could cost you thousands.
    Not tryin' to tell you what to do, but just my 2 cents. :)
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    that this "detuning" isn't just the new SAE hp rating system that everyone is supposed to be using now?

    -Brian
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    that this "detuning" isn't just the new SAE hp rating system that everyone is supposed to be using now?

    That is good point and I forgot to ask the rep at the show that question. But then why is the SE 250 HP? If they switched to the SAE standard and they wanted to tweak the SE up, they would add more than 5HP - wouldn't they?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I noticed the lower lip of the front bumper, where the fog lights are, is slightly different from the US-spec model. You have to look very closely to se the fifference.

    Bob
  • x5killerx5killer Member Posts: 368
    When you get a new car, it's always a gamble that next year's model won't offer some killer feature you can't live without. You might consider holding onto it another year to see what happens with the '08s. Subaru is still rumored to be working on a new front end design for the B9, and you're more likely to see another engine option then. It'd be a pity to upgrade to an '07 for a few minor things like the cargo cover, only to have the '08s offer something substantially different. You could still change out the grille on your '06 for mesh instead and, if you can live without a "real" cargo cover for another 15 months, have the chance to check out an '08 before making a decision that could cost you thousands.
    Not tryin' to tell you what to do, but just my 2 cents.


    Probably good advice. I will have to see what I can get for my 06 and what kind of price I can get the 07 with everything I want for as well. By 08 I will have more miles on my 06 but to get new in 07 and then again in 08 can't be cost effective. The way I was figuring on saving on the 07 was not getting third row this time (that i had to to get nav at the time) and wont get the DVD option this time either that I initially didn't want but the only one in the color with the options i wanted had it which i was later glad for the audio inputs I use every day but wont need them now with the aux input upfront.

    I guess there is no way of knowing for sure what the 08 model might have. But being that my main requests are fulfilled in the 07, the 08 may not have anything new I need and will be able to get more money on resale for the 06 after 1 year rather then 2.


    again it will all depend on what price i get on resale and what kind of price i can get the 07 for. I may have to come up with a figure that I feel is worth the 1 year of use. Was a year worth 10,000? I think so but not much more and I estimate to be at around 12,000 miles at the 1 year point which multiplied by 44.5 cents a mile and added to the 5,697 estimated depreciation after 1 year as quoted in an above post I am at more like 11,000.

    Other problem is, I paid only 1,000 under msrp (about 2,000 above invoice i think) so I will lose more as I'll be lucky to get invoice minus that depreciation and mileage back. Only way it would work is if i get a great price at or close to invoice on the new which is possible if I just be patient and wait till a local dealer has on lot exactly what i want without having to order. Or what is that one huge dealer with great prices online. Can they deliver your anywhere?

    I think if i set a limit on what i would put out extra to trade in for the 07 of say 10,000 which is what I'd be willing to put out on top of my 06 resale money for an 07. That could be cutting it close but i think its possible especially when not getting 3rd row or dvd in the 07. So I'll see, if i can get one by only adding that much or less then I would, any higher and maybe I'll wait till 08.
  • cluelesspacluelesspa Member Posts: 648
    must be that mesh grill ;) with the lower wind resistance it adds the extra-5 HP ! ... LOL

    but it does concern me if they lost hp on the std 2007. I would think they would be the same SE vs standard 2007 models.

    and again (the big issue) NO MESH on the fog lights! they develop a new grill but dont fix the broken fog lights potential. my XPEL film has taken some serious dings but so far lens is holding (knock on wood).
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    I doubt anything will crack a fog light with 30 mil xpel on it unless its a boulder or a gunshot.

    The HP thing is very strange
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I think it is the new SAE system. The brochures I picked up today still mention 250hp, but do not note it is SAE (which seems to be the trend when the manufacturers switch to the new system). The new SAE ratings do tend to show slightly lower numbers for vehicles, a few hp really isn't that big of a deal.

    -Brian
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Exactly, it's the new SAE rating system. The funny thing is the '07 H6 is actually supposed to be more powerful than last year's engine, even though it's rated less. This is due to some engineering changes.

    This info was disclosed by an SOA district rep to a Subie sales guy over at nabisco.

    Bob
  • tls8thtls8th Member Posts: 27
    Great to hear, Do you have the stock tires and wheels on you're B9? If so how may miles wear on them?
  • tls8thtls8th Member Posts: 27
    Sorry didn't see later posts, glad to hear factory tires did fine.
  • jim5154jim5154 Member Posts: 5
    Does anyone know if the remote locks can be reprogrammed so that all locks unlock with a single push of the key fob? This two push thing is driving my wife and I crazy! My Audi can be reprogrammed via an OBD-II connection. The Subie should too I'm thinking.
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    Not that any one knows about.
  • jim5154jim5154 Member Posts: 5
    On other brands I've heard of the dealer being able to do this. I think the reason it is so bothersome is because of the long delay required between pushes. If you are too quick it won't work and then you have to do it over. By then someone has grabbed the handle and you are into the whole, "no not yet, hands off" thing ;-0
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I really like the upgrades for 07. If the Tribeca had a larger gas tank (= more range), I would seriously think about one in the future...
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