What vehicle(s) did you trade (or sell) for your hybrid or diesel?
Just curious to see what the MPG differential was for a lot of hybrid or diesel owners from their previous car(s). Any big SUV or pickup owners that went eco?
I have a '96 Caprice with 5.7L V8 that I was thinking of trading toward a 2003 VW Jetta TDI Wagon. However, for my commute (mixed city/highway) the Caprice gets 25 mpg which isn't all that bad given that my round-trip commute is only 18 miles per day.
If someone bought my Caprice and then used it to commute 80+ miles round-trip (quite common in my location), then by selling it, I could be hurting the environment more than helping it. Of course, what if that person traded a big pickup or SUV...etc., etc.
I have a '96 Caprice with 5.7L V8 that I was thinking of trading toward a 2003 VW Jetta TDI Wagon. However, for my commute (mixed city/highway) the Caprice gets 25 mpg which isn't all that bad given that my round-trip commute is only 18 miles per day.
If someone bought my Caprice and then used it to commute 80+ miles round-trip (quite common in my location), then by selling it, I could be hurting the environment more than helping it. Of course, what if that person traded a big pickup or SUV...etc., etc.
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old Avalanche payment = $880
new Civic payment = $429
monthly payment savings: $451
Monthly fuel savings at 1000 miles per month and $2 per gallon is $105
Insurance is $15 cheaper on the HCH monthly
Total savings per month: $571
Total savings per year: $6852
Very few people can do this, but I could, and I did, and I love my HCH !!!
and went ahead and bought a used 2001 Prius with 91k miles on board.
I saved more than $5,000 in gasoline costs last year.
Dodge averaged about 17-18MPG, last year I averaged 58 point something in my HCH.
I traded in my 2002 Honda Civic Si (the hatchback) with a 2.0L iVTEC which averaged 26 MPG (mostly city).
Replaced it with a 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid CVT which is averaging 45 MPG (mostly city).
___From the rest of us that encourage decreased consumption no matter the method, I thank you.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
When I totalled my 93 Plymouth Voyager, my insurance provided a '02 Toyota Echo rental. For 27 days I used it exactly the same way I did to work, and then lived and breathed in that Echo as I scrambled around town to get a replacement for the Voyager. Needless to say, I got to know that car very well. I also was quiet disappointed with the mileage.
When we finally got a used 2001 Prius for the price of a Corolla, I had a really good 4 way comparison mileage wise. My experience?
1) '93 Voyager well kept, was comparable to our '00 Mazda MPV.
2) '02 Echo was exactly twice more efficient than the Voyager.
3) '01 Prius is 40~45% more efficient than '02 Echo.
Myth Blown: Echo/Corolla/Civic as efficient as Prius.
(... not in your dreams buddy).
But my story does not end there. Our 2nd child came and my wife will be stay at home again for the next 5 years. Our Prius with the bigger loan has to go.
So November, bought a 94 Jetta 1.9TD to replace the Prius. Kept the Prius while in the process of working out all the kinks on the junka er.. jetta. Needless to say I'm disappointed with the diesels mileage. My experience?
4) 94 Jetta 1.9TD manual is only about as efficient as the '02 Echo.
This after using all the tricks I learned with the Prius (40+psi, "pseudo" impulse driving in 5th gear, timing red lights and coasting in neutral). I may still be able to improve this, but the old 01' Prius had so far given us 48mpg. And thats only because wife ruined my 52mpg everytime she used it.
It may sound like gimmicky hocus-pocus, but the Prius's ability to cut off engine while coasting or stopped makes a difference. And impulse driving works too. When we 1st had the Prius I was quiet disappointed with the mileage like a lot of people. However knowing what I know now, hybrids are the way to go.
2000 Volvo V70XC for 2005 Escape Hybrid...better mileage, runs on regular, roughly the same cargo space and seating space.
Anyway, on the first tank I averaged 52.7 mpg almost all highway. I haven't yet had to fill the tank a second time...these things have 14.5 gallon tanks and even with mostly city driving people at tdiclub.com are reporting 40+ mpg. My commute is about 80% highway, so I'm guessing I'll average about 45-47 mpg.
Question for marcb:
Are you getting at least 40 mpg in your TDI? If not, you may want to check the tune of your engine (EGR sticking? intercooler clogged? intake manifold clogged? injection timing correct? etc.)
Also, if you had the Echo in the summer, remember it's not a fair comparison to your winter TDI mileage.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/ford/excursion/100469185/ratings_- consumersdetail.html?dcr_usein=n&modelid=100505109&tid=ed- munds.n.ratings_consumersdetail.content..2.Ford*&dcr_sid=all
Now the good news. I can afford gas when it crowds three bucks while deisel will be a bit less but still costly. Unless you pull a trailer or a big boat I fail to see anything practical in an Excursion. Unless $$$$ is no object when it comes time to replace tires yours will be about four times the cost of mine. Lastly, you said the excursion turns on a dime.....Isn't that an oxymoron? I do respect your opinion and even your selection in a Ford truck. I've owned a few and they were practical and reliable. If, some day we ever run into rationing of fuel I would hope that you will then look back and realize why I chose to drive a Hybrid and do my part to conserve fuel for OUR future. Now doesn't that make some sense?
Culliganman (Hybrids visit gas stations occasionally)
I would say that the CXT from International is a bit large for the average soccer mom.
http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news040921_inational/
When I drive to the store in our little Mazda 626 I understand why so many people are buying big vehicles. It is survival. At least half of the vehicles on the road are big PUs & SUVs. You take your life into your own hands driving a small car. Gas is still a small part of our budgets.
Culliganman (hybrid all the way)
PS and I ride cycles every spring, summer & fall (saving gas)
jprice
Mpg in the VW: 22
" " " HAH: 25
Above mileage is for city driving.
I miss my Passat.
How does the handling compare between the Passat and the HAH? Would you do it again after driving the HAH?
Can someone please explain why "handling" is an issue in a 4 door family sedan? Why would that even matter AT ALL unless you are talking sports cars?
Certainly, a car that goes 0-60 in less than 7 seconds should be able to stop and corner equally as well. Or is the HAH just for the dragstrip?
PS
The poster said he missed his Passat. I was curious what he missed. Or is that off subject?
Stop and Corner as well as what? Other 4 door family sedans which are that fast and which also cost $32K and are rated 37 MPG hwy? Which cars are those?
"Its suspension smooths out bumps and ripples in the road, but isn't so mushy that your back-seat passengers get motion sickness. When pushed hard, it's balanced and fun to drive. We found it inspired confidence at high speeds on winding roads. It's smooth, poised and supremely stable. "
From this page:
http://www.nctd.com/printversion-review.cfm?Vehicle=2005_Honda_Ac- - cord&ReviewID=1628
The Passat beats all those criteria except the 0-60. So I guess if your thing is street racing the HAH is your car. Another poster is taking delivery on a Passat TDI with leather for $26k today. He will get an honest 37 mpg without driving like an old woman. And he has loads more room than the HAH. No brainer in my book.
Really, though, if you want a commuter car for basic commuting, the HAH is a better choice. If you do a lot of travel involving carrying lots of luggage, or if your commute is 75-80 mph on a good open road, the TDI would probably be a better fit.
But it would still pollute more and depreciate faster than the HAH.
Thanks
you are right on the pollution and the TDI is a proven high resale the HAH is not. I just stopped by the Ford/VW dealer yesterday and asked about any used VW TDI cars. They get maybe one every two months and have a list to call. He wishes they could sell the new ones as VW gas cars are slow movers.
HAH handling according to Edmund's:
Cons: Tepid handling, brakes should be more powerful.
Tepid:
Moderately warm; lukewarm.
Lacking in emotional warmth or enthusiasm; halfhearted
In other words mediocre.
I was curious what the poster missed about his Passat that he traded for a HAH. Kind of got to debating the two cars, sorry.....
Here is what that poster said in his profile:
"I'll unload this PASSAT as soon as my HAH arrives and say sayonara to German cars. When you're as old as I am, time has become too precious to spend it sitting in a car dealer's waiting room."
So he was apparently tired of the Passat being in the shop so much, HMMMMMMM ????
(sounded like a diesel, it was so old)
I also own a Volvo XC/70. I get 21 mpg, with my style of driving.
So far my Prius has given me 49 mpg, but I only have driven 700 miles with it and at the moment it's still on winter tires.
Prius has averaged 48 MPG over 24000 miles (yes, I keep a detailed log). In the summer getting 50 MPG is easy, but the cold weather and reduced energy content "winter gasoline" makes it go down to ~46 MPG in the winter. By the way, I observed the same trend in the Integra - it happens to all cars.
Despite the fact that I really liked my Integra, I have NO regrets about selling it. The PRIUS rocks! I used to be a firm believer in stick-shift cars (and I still don't like automatics) but the Prius variable transmission is so SMOOTH and easy to drive that I don't miss the stick at all.
We also have an 1994 Nissan Pickup (22MPG) , but the yearly miles we put on it dropped from ~10000 to 1000 last year, so that's a huge gas savings.
Railroadjames(happy hybrid
Have you towed the Prius yet? If so did you use a tow bar or one of those little trailers that the front wheels ride in?
I certain won't miss the noisy brakes and mufflers on our 1986 Volvo. Also, goodbye high repair and parts prices!
Culliganman( Prius to the resque)
Will the rear wheels turning cause regenerative charging of the batteries. And can that be reason they should not be towed? Or are the rear wheels used for regenerative braking/charging?
Railroadjames(hybrids CAN-DO)
Only the front wheels are connected to the power train - the rear wheels are only along for the ride (although they do take part in mechanical braking).
On this Forum's topic - my Prius replaced a '90 Corolla GTS with 140,000 miles on it. It had been my wife's car, and I had driven it since she passed in 1999. It was getting 28 MPG (when new, it got 32+ MPG). She had *WON* the car in one of those mall raffles (where you slide an entry form into the window of a demo car on display), and it was her pride and joy; indeed it was a very nice car. But little things were beginning to go wrong - the cable from the little lever under the driver''s seat to the deck latch was broken, for example (a repair with an expense out of proportion to its worth) - and it was developing a lot of rattles. Besides, the headroom was almost nil for me. I donated it to the Boy Scouts. Couldn't be happier with my Prius, which I picked up the day after Thanksgiving in 2004 ater a seven month wait (the GTS was running acceptably, so I wasn't in a desperate rush).
jprice SoCal '05 Silver, #1, 5200 miles, [non-permissible content removed]. mileage 46.5MPG