Ford Freestyle Care and Maintenance

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  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    "The 05 f150 is not the Heritige model is it? "

    thanks. Its the new F150. Actually, its good to know there is nothing to lube. However, I'll bet our Freestyles might have slightly shorter joint lives, unless that grease stays put in there.
  • 16351635 Member Posts: 3
    I've been reading about the brake issues on the 2005 freestyle. My back brakes just starting grinding mostly on driver side. I have appointment tomorrow but with 23,000 miles on the car do I have to be prepared to pay for new pads and rotors? Please tell me Ford is better than this.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    I believe that the warranty on your brakes would've been 12 mos./12,000 miles. However, if your Freebie was built prior to a certain date in February '05, it would have come with the original design brake pads that were later deemed troublesome and were replaced by an improved pad. Ask your dealer to check all TSB's that might apply to your vehicle, especially with regards to it's brakes. It might get you a free brake service.

    BTW... if most of your driving is city type stop-n-go stuff.. then 23k is not that bad.
  • 16351635 Member Posts: 3
    Well -- it needs new brakes. Car built in Dec. 2004 so fits that TSB but not sure that is matters based on current mileage. Dealer is actually taking up cost and will work with Ford for reimbursement. I'm impressed with my dealer anyway. So -- for those thinking of buying the Freestyle, beware! Sounds like you'll be in a for a brake job every 20k miles. And as for those who think that in city driving this isn't bad -- I whole heartedly disagree. I traded in a Honda for this car and went 60k without needing brakes with the same kind of driving. Our Yukon has 55k and will probably need something done within the next couple of months. Dad has Explorer and Expedition, brother an Escape, other brother an Explorer -- all city driving and none of them have needed brakes prior to 50k. I believe it is a design flaw. As much as I have loved Ford in the past and would really like to see them succeed, I can't afford them. I plan to dump this car within the year and figure out plan B. Loved the design but hate the issues.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    Issues? What issues? The brakes? That's all? Good grief. Your dealer is going to set you up with the improved pads (maybe replace the rotors too), and then you're good to go. Your Freestyle is a remarkable vehicle. Don't shoot the horse just because it had to see the vet one time.
  • 16351635 Member Posts: 3
    Actually this is the 5th time it has been in for brakes. The first four were for the front brakes. In addition, we've had two electrical issues, one related to brake lights and the cruise control and the other for the rear climate control. We've also had it in for a suspension problem. So yeah, the horse has been to see the vet multiple times and I would love to just put the thing down. The rear brake issue is icing on the cake for me. I have two kids under the age of 2 and the dealer isn't close -- I just don't have the time to deal with it anymore. I understand your view point without knowledge of the complete picture.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    Yikes! You have had issues then. With the history of brake problems your vehicle has had, they should certainly pick-up the tab on this. (or at least 75% of it) Your Freestyle happened to be an early build in it's first year of manufacture. That probably accounts for the "teething" problems you have seen. Mine was built in April '05, and has thus far been flawless. Good luck.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    Mine has been pretty good too, save the rear brakes. The wierd thing was that the front brakes showed no wear at all. One thing to be aware of, some of the Ford dealers don't know how to reassemble the rear calipers, and that can cause an additional delay.

    My wife really loves the Freestyle, and I love taking trips in it, very comfy, good gas mileage..

    Too other really minor problems, the speaker in the front sounds busted, and the rear liftgate won't go up on a cold morning. I've took it in for these, but dealer could not replicate. So I'll try again.
  • lebentolebento Member Posts: 1
    I just purchased a 05 demo from a dealer in Houston today.
    it is the SE It is very comfortable and the ride is fabulous!!! only has 6100 miles on it...

    What are the brake issues that I should be concerned about?
    I think the brakes pedal appear to be "soft and mushy" when I drove it home this evening?
  • pnewbypnewby Member Posts: 277
    My '05 limited was built in Oct. '04, so it is truly an early build. 28k, took it for an oil change and asked to have the brakes inspected. 40% left on rear brakes, and 60% left on front. At that rate I should get at least 40k in mostly city driving, so I don't think that's too bad. Had it in once at about 6mos, and no problems since then. The 6 months was for the flashing light tsb and the loose roof trim tsb.
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    You'd think the rear pads would last longer?
  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    Its an '05 demo, late in the '06 model year? 6100 miles is a lot of miles for a demo. Sounds like it was owned by someone who changed their mind about it. However, there's not much to dislike on the Freestyle, great car.
  • bobnu75bobnu75 Member Posts: 21
    has anyone changed just the inserts on the front blades? It seems you can do this without replacing the whole blade but I can't figure out how to get the end caps off. Or maybe they don't come off and Ford wants to sell you the whole blade.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    I gave up on inserts for my cars years ago. I'd rather pay the difference for a complete replacement than try to thread the new blades and risk tearing them.

    Are replacements some kind of special Ford size or are they standard?
  • saabturboidsaabturboid Member Posts: 178
    We are about to hit 30,000 miles on our '05 Freestyle AWD and the brakes are fine. Your Freestyle will NOT need brakes every 20,000 miles. If you are getting the upgraded brakes that fix the recall issues you've got nothing to worry about.
  • mandygrattonmandygratton Member Posts: 4
    My dealership is saying that there's no recall for the brakes. My brakes wore out down to 0% (back only) after 13,600 km. (Car is 15 months old.) My front brakes are almost at 100%. How did you get the recall? Can you help me? Ford and Ford Canada are both pleading ignorance, saying that it must be driver error.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    I wasn't offered free brakes until they pulled my calipers and found they couldn't get them back together. At that point, they admitted that the calipers must have been defective and offered me free parts. Then they couldn't get the calipers. I called Ford, and was then offered free everything from the dealer. BTW, it was not from the selling dealer, so they weren't trying to keep a customer happy.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Member Posts: 468
    "My dealership is saying that there's no recall for the brakes."

    Your dealer is correct. There has never been a recall. There was a technical service bulletin issued in March 2005 regarding rear brakes that only applied to early build '05 models. Ask your dealer about TSB 05-4-7 Mar 05.

    Your description of 0% brake life on the rear while having 95% on the front is extremely unusual. If your dealer is claiming "driver error", ask them to be more specific. Ask them just exactly how driving habits could account for this very unusual wear pattern. About the only thing I can think of to account for this would be if you or someone else drove around some with the parking brake partially set. That would indeed be "driver error".
  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    Rear brakes at 0% while fronts at near full? Sure, parking brake dragging could do it, and also check for calipers dragging against the brakes while running. This was a problem in a near-new '91 Taurus station wagon I special ordered with rear discs, like our Freestyles. They changed the master cylinder and cured it, as I recall (my Dad had the car, so not completely sure). Anyway, it should be easy to tell if the pads are dragging against the rear rotors, as they should turn freely when the engine is running while the car is on a lift.
  • reppepreppep Member Posts: 8
    Check message #140 in this forum. It's the complete TSB
  • rick2456rick2456 Member Posts: 320
    In a brake related matter, I took my FS to the dealer as the emergency brake did not hold on steep hills. I was told by the service manager, that there is no adjustment for the emergency brake. I told him, that was ludicrious, and he agreed, but that it was the case. Anybody have a similar issue?
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    Are you putting the car in neutral on the hills? It seems like and auto or CVT in park isn't going to roll even without using the parking brake. With the car in the Park position, even if the emergency brake isn't super-tight, it's really only a backup in the rare case that the transmission pops from Park to Neutral on it's own.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    haven't heard that, that's interesting
  • rick2456rick2456 Member Posts: 320
    No, I always put the car in park, but I do know that it is not good for the transmission to use the park function as a hill brake, thus when on hills, I use the emergency brake. It holds some, but if I take it out of park, it will roll very slowly.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    I'd take it in to the dealer, and point out that it is not good for the transmission to have the car use it as a parking brake. They should know that, it's in every owner's manual I have ever read. Even if it's not in the manual, you can surely find a reference on the internet to using the parking brake, not the transmission, to hold the car on hills. If you use the transmission to hold the car, it'll lock up the transmission and make it hard to shift out of park.

    Anyway, insist that your service tech take the car on a hill and put the brake on and then before he puts it in park, let off the brake pedal. That's the way they tell you to park a car. If it rolls, tell him to fix it under the 36/36 bumper to bumper. Tell him you don't care if he can't adjust the handle, to fix it whatever way he has to.

    If that doesn't work, go through the steps in your owners guide. go to the service manager, then call ford, etc. And be nice, you'll catch more flies with honey.
  • northlakesnorthlakes Member Posts: 368
    The Freestyle shop manual says that the parking brake cable is self-adjusting.

    Assuming you are setting the parking brake by pushing it to the floor (4 or 5 clicks for full benefit), the manual says to look for binding parking brake cables (under the Freestyle connected to the rear wheel brakes). If the PB pedal does not engage smoothly, you should also check the parking brake control attached to the pedal.

    Though a common practice, I would never trust the single tooth of the transmission Park pawl to hold a 4000 pound vehicle on a steep hill. Good luck with the dealer and the parking brake. :shades:
  • saabturboidsaabturboid Member Posts: 178
    Has anyone here had their Ford dealer perform the 30,000 mile service? We are almost there and it is unclear to me whether the CVT needs a transmission fluid change. The documentation that came with our '05 Freestyle is not specific to the Freestyle. They break down maintenance by car/minivan or truck. Ford doesn't specify which category the Freestyle falls under and it is even more unclear since it has the CVT. So, is the CVT fluid a 30,000 mile item or not?
  • mschmalmschmal Member Posts: 1,757
    Here is the required "Normal Maintence" for an AWD Freestyle:

    Current Mileage: 30000 miles
    Replace fuel filter
    Inspect brake pads/shoes/rotors/drums, brake lines and hoses, and parking brake system
    Inspect automatic transmission fluid level (if equipped with underhood dipstick)
    Replace engine air filter
    Inspect engine cooling system and hoses
    Inspect wheel ends for end play and noise
    Rotate tires for optimal tire life
    Perform multi-point inspection
    Inspect complete exhaust system and heat shields
    Replace cabin air filter, if equipped
    Inspect and lubricate steering linkage, ball joints, suspension, half shafts / drive shaft and u-joints
    Change engine oil and replace oil filter (Up to 5 qts of motor oil)

    You can get all maintenance schedules at www.fleet.ford.com

    Mark
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Member Posts: 468
    The Freestyle takes six quarts, not five. My dealer did a change with 5 and the level was down a quart. Luckily, i check things after every service
  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    "So, is the CVT fluid a 30,000 mile item or not?"

    The CVT fluid needs changing every 60,000 miles. The maintenance schedule books are indeed vague. Here is a complete maintenance schedule, with comments:

    Normal Maintenance Intervals
    Every 5,000 miles:
    • Change engine oil and replace oil filter.
    • Rotate tires. --Comment: Not necessary if even wear is occuring, and, if even wear is not occuring, then get a front end alignment (camber, caster, toe may be wrong).
    Every 15,000 miles:
    • Inspect CVT fluid level. (Note: the CVT in the Freestyle does not have a transmission fluid dipstick. Ford notes that the CVT "does not consume fluid." Fluid level should only be checked if the CVT is not working properly, i.e. it slips, takes more than a couple of seconds to engage into Drive/Reverse or if there are signs of fluid leakage. If the transaxle's fluid is low enough to affect proper operation, drivers will notice a wrench icon illuminated on the instrument panel.)
    • Inspect brakes.
    • Inspect wheel ends.
    • Inspect cooling system and hoses.
    • Inspect steering linkage, ball joints, suspension, drive shaft and U-joints.--Comment: The only chassis lube needed is the steering column rotation mechanical stops, heavy grease spots needed there. Just inspect the structural integrity of the suspension joints and make sure the joints are not leaking grease.
    • Replace cabin air filter.--Comment: My '05 SE model doesn't have a cabin air filter. Does anyone's?
    Every 30,000 miles:
    • Inspect exhaust system and heat shields.
    • Replace engine air filter.
    • Replace fuel filter.
    Every 60,000 miles:
    • Change CVT fluid and filter.
    Every 100,000 miles:
    • Inspect accessory drive belt.
    • Replace spark plugs.
    • Change coolant (and every three years or 50,000 miles afterward).
    • Replace PCV valve.
    Every 150,000 miles:
    • Change coolant.
    • Replace accessory drive belts.
    • Change CVT filter.
  • rick2456rick2456 Member Posts: 320
    Thanks for the information. I will follow up with Ford.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    My dealer wanted to replace cvt at 26, said it was required at 30. Then when I told him the manual said 60 he said, we recommend it at 30. Also wanted me to buy a fuel and air filter.
  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    Stay with Ford's recommendation. Sounds like the dealer wants to make some money.
  • fordwrenchfordwrench Member Posts: 70
    There is nothing wrong with servicing the CVT at 30k. As a tech at a Ford store & an owner of a Freestyle, I will be changing the fluid & filter at 30k miles! Onto the the fuel filter, if you can see what comes out of the filters after only 15k miles you would amazed, the fuel quality in our area is awful, northern IL, southern WI. The recommendations from Ford do not take into account location. If I were driving a Freestyle or really any vehicle, up & down mountians or in extreme heat or cold I would up the maintance interval. The dealer is not always the bad guy looking out for him only, he is trying to keep you happy in a vehicle that costs a fortune. By the way, the forign makes are very maintance intensive & the owners are happy to pay to keep their vehicle driving like new.
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    If I was a Ford tech able to service my Freestyle quickly and for free, I'd get the CVT fluid replaced every 5000 miles, the oil and fuel filter every 100 miles, etc! But for those of us who don't want to leave our car at the dealer all day and spend the $$ when it's not recommended by the manufacturer, you can understand why we question what the tech tells us.

    When it comes to any maintenance procedure, of course it's always better to do it sooner, but that's why we look to the manufacture to tell us when the maintenance is recommended. And the maintenance interval does say for extreme conditions to do things sooner.

    What bugs me is when the tech doesn't ask if I'm driving in extreme conditions, but still wants to conduct the maintenance earlier than recommended.

    As far as foreign cars, I just bought a Honda Fit and it has an automatic maintenance reminder telling me when to bring it in based on usage, so that's pretty nice.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    I got the filters done only because it was convenient. I normally change my own air filters, but had a 10 percent off coupon, so I figured, what the heck?

    I've heard that fuel filters can also pick up metal shavings from gas nozzles, so it's not a bad idea to change. A few years ago, the filter on my chevy celebrity clogged and caused a engine light malfunction. So I realize the importance there. However, getting gas from a good station, say Costco, where they change their filters quite often, can protect your fuel system. One way to tell if the station is not changing filters regularly is how long the gas takes to pump. Slow pumping can indicate dirty fuel filters at your station.

    One new question. IN the southwest mountain states, regular is 86 octane. The manual tells me not to use 86, regardless of where I purchase it, the manual says 87. However, at Costco, where I buy gas, it's 86 or premium, which is cheaper than plus at neighboring stations. But the manual says premium isn't always good. What should I do?
  • mschmalmschmal Member Posts: 1,757
    Octane recommendations
    Your vehicle is designed to use
    “Regular” unleaded gasoline with
    pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87.
    We do not recommend the use of
    gasolines labeled as “Regular” that
    are sold with octane ratings of 86 or lower in high altitude areas.
    Do not be concerned if your engine sometimes knocks lightly. However, if
    it knocks heavily under most driving conditions while you are using fuel
    with the recommended octane rating, see your authorized dealer to
    prevent any engine damage.
    Fuel quality
    If you are experiencing starting, rough idle or hesitation driveability
    problems, try a different brand of unleaded gasoline. “Premium”
    unleaded gasoline is not recommended for vehicles designed to use
    “Regular” unleaded gasoline because it may cause these problems to
    become more pronounced. If the problems persist, see your authorized
    dealer.

    I would say to use the premium unless you are experiencing "Starting, rough idle or hesitation problems"

    If you do experience these problems, then I don't know what to say.

    Its pretty clear that you should not use 86 though

    Mark.
  • mschmalmschmal Member Posts: 1,757
    visit www.toptiergas.com

    Mark
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "I would say to use the premium unless you are experiencing "Starting, rough idle or hesitation problems"

    I think you meant to say he should use 87 octane unless the problems are encountered?
  • mschmalmschmal Member Posts: 1,757
    He was saying he can't get 87 where he is at. I was saying that according to the manual, better to go up to premium than go down to the 86 that passes for regular where he lives.

    Mark.
  • gerardtngerardtn Member Posts: 14
    It's kind of different than it has been with past cars. In most places 87 is regular, except in high altitude areas of the southwest. That had led me to believe that octane is a function of atmospheric oxygen levels and fuel mixture. In every other car I've owned, the owner's manual exempted those living in the s/w mountain areas from the 87 requirement and said 86 was ok.

    However, Ford is quite specific about 87 in all areas.

    Am I right about the oxygen thing? Because it seems like the refineries are going to a lot of trouble to refine 86 octane just for us in the southwest. :confuse:
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    This has to do with Subaru, but I think it applies:

    http://www.drive.subaru.com/Fall03_QuickStops.htm
    Jim Sinclair, Vice-President, Service for Subaru of America, Inc., replies that the recommended octane is 87, even at 6,800 feet. Using 86 octane may not cause any problems at that altitude or above, but if the customer drives in lower altitudes with 86 octane, there could be some performance problems and possible spark knock. If the customer cannot find 87, he should be careful with the use of 86 or continue to “mix” as he is doing.

    And while this article is not official, it makes sense that refining to 86 octane is cheaper, since 87 is cheaper than 89, which is cheaper than 91. So maybe they sell 86 for the price of 87 and make that additional profit on 86. My guess is that if they tried to introduce 86 in the East, people would go to other gas stations, while in the southwest 86 is accepted enough that people buy it. So the oil companies get more profit not only from those buying 86 at the price of 87, but also profit from those buying premium gas because they don't want to buy 86, but these profits are probably less, since it costs more to refine the higher octanes.

    http://www.dukecityfix.com/index.php?itemid=1763
    These days the only value of lower octane gasoline is that it costs less for the oil companies to produce. Yet, right now, we’re paying more for 86-octane “regular” in New Mexico than we would for “regular” in 38 states, where it’s mostly 87.
  • chiphchiph Member Posts: 1
    My brother just changed the oil in his 2006 Ford Freestyle. Now the car will not go into any gear. What could he have done? And, does anyone know if it's an easy fix, or will he have to have it towed?
  • saabturboidsaabturboid Member Posts: 178
    There is nothing in changing the engine oil that can cause a problem with the transmission. I've changed the oil on my Freestyle several times myself with no problems. The only thing that I can think of is that he accidentally drained the transmission oil. That would certainly cause a problem.

    Chad
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "The only thing that I can think of is that he accidentally drained the transmission oil. That would certainly cause a problem. "

    Not to mention if he refilled it with engine oil instead of transmission fluid! :surprise:
  • njmom91njmom91 Member Posts: 21
    Okay, I've been having the problem that at 2K miles, and at roughly 60 days after the oil change my 'no oil life left' light keeps coming on. Any ideas what is up with that? I haven't even hit 5K miles, so I'm not sure why it's doing this.

    I've also been getting miserable gas mileage (14-15 city), but I'll post that on the mileage thread.

    Other than that I luv my car!!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,824
    was the oil life indicator reset when the oil was changed at 2k? the procedure for resetting it is in the owner's mnaual. sometimes the tech doesn't bother.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • njmom91njmom91 Member Posts: 21
    was the oil life indicator reset when the oil was changed at 2k? the procedure for resetting it is in the owner's mnaual. sometimes the tech doesn't bother.

    Yes, it went off one day later, dropped by the dealership and they'reset' it.

    Aggravating thing is that it was in today for the lock fix and, with three antsy kids with me, I didn't mention it. You'd think they'd notice when they drove it, huh?

    One more question:
    Is it after the 5K change I can go 5K between oil changes?
  • pnewbypnewby Member Posts: 277
    The Oil reminder message is a combination time/miles reminder. Generally 5,000 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first. That is the reason most "New" vehicles reminders come on well before 5K.
  • saabturboidsaabturboid Member Posts: 178
    5,000 miles on the Ford spec Motorcraft 5W20 is only possible under optimal driving conditions. If you are only going 2,000 miles before the indicator says it is time for a change take it seriously. This means your driving patterns are not optimal for long oil life. Typically lots of starting, stopping, turning the car on and off, idling and short trips will result in a much lower mileage count. People who drive mainly in the city will never get 5,000 miles. People who do a lot of highway driving may. Your poor fuel economy is another clue that you are doing a lot of city type driving which is hard on oil... and the brakes.... and the transmission... ;).

    Keep in mind the oil indicator is not testing the oil itself, but rather using a computer to calculate all of your starts, stops, speed, temperature, etc. to determine when the oil is likely to need changing.

    If you would like to extend your range a bit you can switch to full synthetic, but then the oil monitor will not be accurate since it is calibrated to the stock oil. If it says you can go 2,000 miles on the stock oil I'd feel safe going 3,000 on full synthetic.

    FWIW, in our mix of city/highway we typically see about 4,000 mile intervals with our Freestyle.

    - Chad
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