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This could be lots of things, but Honda should fix it.
Tire balance, front end alignment, bad tire (separating tread), bad wheel bearing, bad wheel (bent).... The easiest way to eliminate many of these is to put different tires/ wheels on the front, get a front end alignment and see what happens.
Is the road causing the problem? I recently took our 2006 EX-L on a trip and for about 100 miles the front end was shaking. This was the road, not the vehicle.
I have been following the steering wheel vibrations for a long time. I even sent letter to Honda in Japan about it.
I'm going to tell you right now, it's not the tires. Many people are going to dis-agree but again, it's not the tires. It's not tire alignment, or tire balance.
It's a problem that's in the design of the body. What do I think it is? The body - a lack of reinforcements. I can tell you why I think it is if you would prefer.
Only ONE PERSON in the FORUM has solved this problem. ONE out of 3 pages of complaints by replacing the tires. I don't believe it. Others did that too and still no luck. Check reviews by consumers for the Pilot, and Odyssey.
I noticed that the Pilot has the largest amount of this problem out of the other Honda's.
There is one filed complaint with NHTSA for the Pilot with this. For some reason, some people are apparently afraid to actually file complaints and get this issue resolved.
I have about 30,000 miles on the van (touring R&N), and other than the brakes everything has worked great. Unfortunately though, the PAX tires don't have much life left and only one or two tire stores in Indy can mount the new tires. Pretty bad that the dealers can only change out the whole tire/wheel combo.
How about going to a home improvement store (HomeDepot or Lowes) and getting a length of 2x4 wood and improvising a pole for propping the door open? Staple rags or something to the ends to avoid scratching the lid of the hatch or your bumper.
I know you have enough strength to open the rear hatch. Your work with lifting the little ones and their strollers (surely you mean 1 stroller) is giving your arms a workout. This is good for you.
I wouldn't worry what other people think when they see you. You're not a new mom are you?
Dirty faces or propping your hatch with a makeshift pole? A Non-Issue.
You want to make your point and be a hostile owner?
Drive to the dealership when the Sales staff is really busy. Park your van with the hatch up and with the piece of 2x4 wood holding it open. Struggle like heck to get the hatch open, then positioning the wood to hold it open, then the stoller out and kids situated (so that everyone sees the situation) and leave it while you go looking for another vehicle (if you have to wait that long).
Let some salespeople recognize your dilema in the parts department as all their potential customers look on.
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I don't know how long parts like that take, but obviously there is some availability issue there.
Seriously, call another dealership's parts department for confirmation / determination of the wait which is necessary if you don't trust your parts department rep, and don't worry too much about this.
My husband also suggested the propping option with pvc pipe but I think I'd rather try moving the seats first.
Yes, I'm definitely strong enough to open the rear hatch and remove my heavy double stroller. Not a new mom but for some reason I still care what other folks think - my own issue, I know.
I love your suggestion about displaying my issue in front of the dealership and will save that one if I have to wait a third week for my part. I will however contact another parts dept. to see what they say about getting this part in.
Thanks for your help!
I also get crappy gas mileage. 16city, 19 highway.
Can anyone help honda on this one?
pvc pipe looks to be too high-tech of a solution. if you're going to have the meltdown at sales ground zero, stick with the 2x4. more sympathy with ratty wood that sleek white poly.
i forgot to suggest that after lugging the stroller out and getting the kids in it, just start shaking uncontrollably. either someone will run to your rescue, or they'll all run-away.
there's always majestic honda:
1.800.341.4113
here's a diagram of the tailgate. call them and ask them if they have the part. then call your dealer.
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&cat- cgry1=Odyssey&catcgry2=2006&catcgry3=5DR+EXL&catcgry4=KA5AT&catcgry5=TAILGATE
I have approx. 21K miles on our '05 Oddy.
I had the van serviced days ago at an independent Honda/Acura service facility (been goin' there since '92 w/my other Honda's).
The owner/head tech had the van on the lift and showed me that all 4 tires had wear only on the inside of each tire.
The middle and outside seem to have plenty of tread considering that they have 21k + miles on them.
We're leavin' for Vegas next week and will be puttin' approx. 600 miles round trip and I don't feel quite safe on traveling w/the tires in this condition.
Has anyone else seen this problem?
And if so, would this be covered by the 3year/36000 warranty?
When I go on trips, I see all the Odysseys and Pilot's with the wheel sticking out. More of the tire is on the inner part. That's why - it's because of that silly design. I don't know if it's covered by the warranty.
Check your tire warranty.
I will check the tire warranty...thanks again.
http://www.michelinman.com/difference/innovation/paxsystem_faq.html
I hope that NHTSA forces Honda to fix this issue soon. Try calling NHTSA and keep on bothering them so they keep up with it. Good luck.
i suppose it could be a motor mount issue. does this happen in vehicles which do not have the active noise cancellation (ANC) with the variable cylinder management (VCM) function?
if it only happens in the vehicles with VCM, or is more noticeable in those vehicles, then it's possible the ANC isn't modelling the resonance and nulling it's energy as designed. i'm just speculating.
my thinking was changing the stiffness or number / location of the exhaust hangers would change the groan / resonance, much like changing the finger position on a guitar fret.
btw, my 2003 ODY has a bit of a groan in the midrange under acceleration. also there is some coupling of tire noise into the cabin. i know this because when i changed my tires, this coupling between the road / tires / cabin changed.
I inflated it to 60 psi and checked for leaks by submerging it in water. No leaks. Conclusion: the tire was improperly inflated at the factory and not checked there or at the dealer. Shame on you Honda.
I suggest you check your spare.
I've found the parts online (20% off vs. local dealer at 10% over list), but does anyone know if I can remove/replace the tail light assembly by merely removing the small access panel near the lower part of the tailgate liner, or do I have to remove the entire liner?
(I know that there are 3 or 4 flange nuts holding the tail lamp assembly one, I just need to know if I can get to them from this access panel -that I assume just pries off.)
I haven't yet ordered my 2006 Ody manual to be able to look it up (still have my 2002 manual if someone is looking for one).
The service manager took a ride with me for about 5 minutes and said, the hesitation is not a problem that is the way the vechicle is designed. He also said, computer within the car is making decisions and this is common in new honda cars. I totally believed him, as he worked there for 15 years or so...
Now after couple of hundred more miles, I am seeing the "grinding noise" problem. Tomorrow I am taking it to dealer. I am afraid to drive the vechicle...Let's see what he says...
Also, my power driver seat got stuck, and they have to replace motor or something...
Phil
On our earlier 2000 and 2002 Ody (as well as my Tacoma), it's located under the dash, above the front passenger's feet. On the 2000 and 2002 you had to remove the lower glovebox door, and cut away a temporary plastic brace (that is there only for stability of the dash during assembly of the vehicle) to get to it.
I would suggest looking at one of the several online Honda parts sellers who sell the filter. Many of them have the installation instructions available for dnload from the parts pages. Those instructions will be straight from the package and identical to the svc manual.
Phil
one is the engine air filter which makes sure bugs and dust and other debris isn't pulled into the engine and compressed and burned in the cylinders of the engine. that is the one that the maintenance person showed you from under the hood.
you can replace one yourself for about 12 dollars or so if you know how to use a screwdriver, but you have to know what screws to remove. start by looking for the engine air intake, and following it to a box about 7"x12" or so. engine air filters can be purchased at any automotive supply store.
have you read your owner's manual? there's a diagram showing where it is, i'm almost positive.
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then there is the cabin air filter that removes dust and pollen from outside air being pulled into the interior for you and i to breath.
in past models, Honda has located the cabin air filter behind the glovebox and inside the cabine. unless they've radically changed their design, it is a challenge for you and i to change these. i've done it on my own '03 Odyssey and it involved dropping the glove box, using an exacto knife and large wire cutters to remove a piece of dash material used during dash installaton in the factory, then removing a metal bar with some hard to get at screws. I think the cabine air filter itself cost about 20-30 dollars, but it took me 2 hours to do it.
trust me, the oil change place guy couldn't have gotten to the cabin air filter easily, but the engine air filter? sure, with four screws and 30seconds of work, probably had it in hand. 50 for it to be replaced? what a rip off (when you know how to do it yourself). you just have to have the right tools.
cabin air filter? i think it costs anywhere from 150 to 200 to replace that. it's not the filter, it's the labor. once you've had it done once though, it's easier to do it a second time.
you can find that filter here:
http://www.handaaccessories.com/odymaint05.html
Either way, the cabin filter should be in the cabin.
I think Purolator (www.pureoil.com) and FRAM had instructions online for their filters, but they may not have the 2005/2006 out yet. When you go to the handaaccessories.com page and see the filter, there should be a link to the instructions. IF not, email them.
That's the best I can offer from here.
look, you can drop your glovebox easily. open it up. take everything out. there will probably be two rubberized stops on each side of the box that limit how far the box opens. they are attached to the box by plastic clips. rotating the stopper/clip assemblies outward towards the seat disengages them (if I remember correctly). then the whole box will drop down once they are out.
i'm almost positive the cabin air filter will be behnd the glove box, probably a plastic enclosure obscured by a horizonal piece of dash material and a metal bracket.
if honda changed their design to provide access to the cabin air filter door without cutting dash material (used only to stiffen the dash during vehicle assembly) and the metal bracket, then your job will be very easy, and would explain how the oil change guy produced a filter.
if it's obscured, then you know (a) the oil change mechanic was pulling a fast one, and was going to rip you off (for certain) for work they had no intention of doing.
factually, engine air filters are somewhat standard size and changed often enough it would be something they would carry - but a generic oil change place: i'll wager they didn't even have the proper cabin filter to put in your vehicle even if they could gain easy access.
hey, honda could have made it simple. can you investigate for everyone?
Has anyone else looked into using a tow hitch just for a bike carrier and any legal consequences?
I am pretty ticked abot this and may not have purchased the van had I realized how difficult it would be to use the bike carrier. Also, the van did not come with the roof rack bars which are http://www.handa-accessories.com/odyext05.html about $160.
Two week ago, I went to local auto parts store to buy engine filter for 05/06 Odyssey, and they dont carry them yet. I also did not see pollen filter at the stores.
For the past Honda, you have to remove glove box like few people mention here. I have not checked with 05/06 Odyssey yet. I also want to know how to change the pollen filter for 05/06 Odessey.
ps. for my other VW car, i have to pop up the hood to change the pollen filter.
Our 06 Honda Odyssey has about 300 miles on it. Today after drove back home, we found quite some dripping fluid under the front center of the car. We checked it and the fluid seems to be water like, not oil like. Is this a problem? the raod was dry, so the water were not from outside.
thank you very much.
wz
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Is there something wrong?? I took it back to the dealer and he told me that it has to get about 4,000 miles on it to start getting better milage. That just doesn't seem right and I've talked to other people with new Odyssey"s and they told me they got about 18-20 right away. Any suggestions. Thanks for any input.
Tom
To remove either the R/L taillight on the tailgate, its just a matter of removing 4 nuts and a couple of electrical connectors. You may be able to access these nuts through the small access cover IF you have a small hand and can work the tool through there. Just be careful not to drop anything in there as you will have a hard time finding it... It is recommended to remove the trim panel for this job, if you do, me ready to replace some of the plastic anchors/clips. Hope this helps and Good Luck!
and you should see some improvement in mileage with unit wear-in. at least i did in my '03.
i think the people reporting 18-20city right away may have been imaginging things for the better, but it may be possible...
i know for a fact i'd get better mileage in the city or mixed driving, heck - even highway driving than my wife who tends to be much more agressive with the van than i and on/off the pedal on the highway. :surprise:
check to see that you are taking it easy with the pedal and not racing about. start tracking your fuel consumption by hand and see if modifying your driving style gains you 3MPG or so.
longer term, track your mileage and see if you experience a steady improvement up through 4-5K.
wz