Did you notice something like I did in that comparo ???????
It's awfully funny edmunds.com used a top trim Tundra with leather and navigation against a stripped version of the Silverado, Titan. It's tests like this that tick me off and instantly lose credibility with me. :mad:
I guess edmunds.com showed their Toyota, biased once again in this test. What a joke and I suppose they thought nobody would notice. :sick:
yea.. i notice that to..it should of been the Silverado LTZ equipped similarly, but honestly if they had the LTZ Silverado i doubt i would of made no difference since Toyota can do no wrong here on edmunds :sick:
i doubt i would of made no difference since Toyota can do no wrong here on edmunds
I can't say I can disagree with ya. It however was a obvious attempt to discredit the Silverado and Titan. I ask why do the comparo if your not going to make it even for everyone ???? I like I said put little credibility anymore in comparo's because we often see comparo's where trim levels aren't matched up. It would be like me taking a Escalade EXT and doing a comparo against a stripped single cab Titan with cardboard seats that lemko, says he could rip apart with his bare hands. The Tundra, just so happened to have all the bells and whistles against a stripped Silverado. It wouldn't of been so bad if they would of given prices. If prices aren't available then don't do the test at all or at least get a LTZ Silverado and a leather lined Titan and then do a comparo. :confuse:
Like I said credibility of this test is out the window with me in this test and I'm sure in the future we will see another test with similar vehicals with the same results. :sick:
Well, since we all agree on one rating - VW is last, why do they continue to sell cars? Oh yeah - to girls, and boys who think like them.... Definitely, not to car guys. (or girls).
Why are we whining we just don't ignore the facts. Every review I read outside of edmunds.com has the Silverado winning the comparo. :P The Tundra, is a helluva truck and is finally in the fight but GM's half-tons are world champs and the 08' Silvy/Sierra will probably knock out the Tundra.
VWs are like costume jewelry - not a lot of substance, prone to breaking a lot over time, but BOY do they look pretty when they're still in the box!
Some people like costume jewelry, hence VW sells some cars. Reliability certainly can be overrated if it comes in a package that seems boring or frumpy-looking. And I say that in all sincerity.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I had an 80 Rabbit. When it ran it was a fun car. That didn't happen too often.
I came awfully close to buying a 2000 Passat in late 99 but the Rabbit memory kept haunting me. The Passat was serious fun to drive and even at 3 years its reliability rating wasn't so bad - then it started falling off considerably. Now I'm talking CR reliability ratings so take it as you will. It was at about 4 years out that I stopped regretting buying an Accord instead.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
UPDATE: Consolidated Summary Of April US Auto Sales Data Tue, May 1 2007, 18:21 GMT http://www.djnewswires.com/eu UPDATE: Consolidated Summary Of April US Auto Sales Data
The following summarizes the U.S. light vehicle sales numbers for April for the major auto makers that have reported data Tuesday. The figures are not adjusted for the number of selling days, which totaled 24 last month and 26 in April 2006. Figures in parentheses indicate a decrease in sales from the year-earlier period.
YR-ON-YR YR-ON-YR COMPANY SALES CHANGE YTD CHANGE
General Motors (GM) 307,554 (9.5%) 1,205,997 (6.5%) Ford (F) 228,623 (13%) 871,583 (13%) Toyota (TM) 210,457 (4.3%) 816,312 6.7% Chrysler * 193,104 1.6% 730,353 (2.9%) Nissan (NSANY) 71,124 (18%) 350,105 0%
The following is a breakdown of the April sales numbers for the auto makers by type of vehicle.
TRUCK/SUV CHANGE CARS CHANGE GM 186,545 (9.1%) 121,009 (10%) Ford 147,891 (5.8%) 80,732 (24%) Toyota 89,901 (2.3%) 120,556 (5.8%) Chrysler 146,439 11% 46,665 (20%) Nissan 30,410 (22%) 40,714 (14%)
Actually, to some degree I am. Better handling cars offer more driver control, and that's a priority for me. I also have a preference for smaller manufacturers because they tend to be more focused, and more interested in getting to the top instead of sitting on their laurels. Hence GM and Toyota being so low. Though I probably should have put Cadillac up in the top 5 somewhere, since they're distinct enough from the rest of GM to be worth a separate entry.
I remember driving Chevys that would refuse to stay in a straight line above 55 MPH...just no excuse for that.
Yeah, it was a long time ago. My concern is that I've seen nothing to indicate that VWs have done something to im prove reliability in all that time. It's what is killing them.
They still have the same reputation as way back then - nice, attractive fun to drive cars that are plagued by gremlins.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
Funny that VW would name its new car the Rabbit despite the reputation of the original car. I doubt Chevrolet would've called the Cobalt the Vega or Ford the Focus a Pinto.
VW are kind of like a cute, pretty, free-spirited girl. Oh she's fun to be with and your friends seem to think you made a good choice. A few months into the relationship, you find out she's bipolar, addicted to crystal meth, a drama queen, and messes around on you with others of both genders.
wanted the model name to sound playful. "Golf" does not sound playful, it sounds like a game for old people. And then, of course, the original Rabbit had the best sales of any of the next several series of Golfs...
I think Rabbit sales are up from the the MkIV Golf. But despite being in the right place, I don't think the marketing is going to succeed in selling a whole ton of VWs. The old Jetta managed to hit some sweet styling spot in the eyes of girls in the 16-30 age bracket, which is why sales were high. It hasn't had that look in some time, and low-end VW sales will continue to decline.
Between the amazing interiors, competitive design, and very spotty reliability of VW and the totally bargain basement interiors, mostly one-generation-behind-the-times design (the 40-years-throwback Hemi is your hook? C'mon!) and less-than-stellar reliability of most of the Chrysler Group, I will take VW. So I rank it above the "other domestic brand".
Ford is rapidly falling in my personal rankings. GM is above Nissan these days, with Honda at #1 and Toyota at #2.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
A friend of mine recently bought a new black Jetta GLI. Oh my God, the interior of that car is awesome! If the Cobalt had such an awesome interior, the Chevrolet dealer would need the cops there to control the crowds. However, I've learned to be wary of the VW siren's song. I'm not going to be dashed against the rocks again. I've had my experience with VW's unreliability, expensive parts, and service personnel that act like Tony Soprano with a migraine, heartburn, and caught Chris messing aroung with Carmella.
Lemko has the idea - if they put a VW interior in a Cobalt you wouldn't have to worry about offering incentives.
I think a lot of car makers make that sort of mistake. They decide where they are going to cut corners and pick dumb spots. A bad as a cheap interior is a less than stellar paint job. I think that latter one has at least been licked.
I do tell people over and over again to never buy a car in a color they don't like no matter how good the deal is. You save a few bucks, and maybe over the course of a loan it's only a couple of bucks a month but you have look at the damn thing for years. I'd advise the same thing on interiors. If yo don't like it don't buy it. You'll spend a lot of time in there.
Just to show I'm not immune to such things, my Hondas have cheap stereos. Yet I'll buy them and not upgrade. On the newer van I may bite the bullet and at least change out the front speakers for better ones.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
You are the closet to the ground, as far as the big 3 story goes, with a vision from the inside. You have the advantage of family and friends that have HUGE insight.
I do not place much weight on the mid to upper executive level basically because they really do not add value, especially in the model which has basically failed. The manager/supervisory and plant staff get the job done. The problem has always been the marching orders and where the focus has been.
To me, it is as though the good stories always seemed to survive instead of thrive at the end of the day, with many great starts shot dead along the way.
I would appreciate your candid assessment on how the these 4 will end up in 5, 10 and 30 years out.
you might be better off asking 62vettefp that question. He probably has a better idea as he's more connected to GM's upper levels
My family circle only extends to General Motors, Delphi Corporation, and of course the United Auto Workers & IUE-CWA. Since so many of my family member's have left GM/Delphi, a lot about the future as far as connections go on projects has been lost. It is also hard to predict what is or what isn't going to happen because of the economy, trade, currency, future union contracts, market trends, and the big one energy prices. I have my opinions about what is going to happen in 5 years. 10 years I think alternative energy will be on line. 30 years or sooner cars will be driving themselves. For all I know you could see the Flex Capacitor taking folks back to 1965, and car's running on garbage, flying around like Doc Browns DeLorean. :P
My 5 year prediction for GM:
Buick:
I see Buick Lucerne RWD sedan with ULTRA V8's which replaced the Northstar and will be bigger in size. I see Buick LaCrosse remain FWD and will be a ES 350 fighter with FWD. I see a Buick Velite/Riveria Sedan as a midsize with RWD and 350 hp. I also see a Buick Velite/Riveria Convertible with 400-450 hp. being the halo car. Enclave will be re freshened Rainier/Rendezvous gone.
Chevrolet:
C-7 Corvette with 450-500 hp. standard. Z06/SS 650-750 hp. Chevrolet Impala will be a large RWD sedan with lots of configurations. Malibu will still be a big seller with maybe a SS package by them. Silverado/Tahoe will be on a refresh and spy picks of the next generation my make their debut. A Lambada based CUV probably will debut because of force by Chevy dealers. Equinox could be gone. Trailblazer gone as well.
Pontiac:
G8 will be a big seller with a Holden like HSV package with Delphi's Magneride and mega power for GXP/GTX. Next GTO/Firebird has debuted. G6 size of car goes RWD. Maybe a Holden Statesmen debut's as Bonneville ? This division could just as well be axed like the Pontiac Torrent.
Saturn:
Basically the same as it's now only model refreshes. The Saturn Astra, becomes a house hold name.
Saab:
I assume most if not all will be built on Opels and look a lot like the Saab-X concept we saw last year. Saab, likely will be the leader for GM, experimenting with alternative fuels. Saab, will offer AWD models like Volvo, and will focus towards performance but still will be a little quirky and of course will have turbos. It will be a niche division of GM, for those wanting something sporty, luxurious, and very safe. Saab, will draw a lot off it's heritage and will be a leader of technology in all area' s. This fact will make the division exciting once again and with Saab's reliability rating low already GM, can afford to take chances because a recall won't be on a mass scale due to being a low-mid size volume brand. It will essentially be GM's lab rat and people like myself like having something different than Joe Six-Pack camcord driver.
GMC:
I would hope and think GM, follows through even further on distinguishing this truck division from Chevrolet, if it's still around. Sales are up at GMC, thus I doubt GMC, goes anywhere. The Denali version get's better yet and get even more Cadillac, technology like Ventilated seats, Bose 5.1, and maybe Blue tooth debut's in GMC ????
Hummer
Hummer H3 SUT does great in sales. Pressure to improve Hummer's fuel economy as the global warming debate heats up forces GM to either axe the brand or put Duramax versions of their Diesel in the H2 SUV/SUT. I predict the 2-Mode will find it's use in the H3 which will raise the brands fuel economy average much higher.
Cadillac:
Cadillac, will look much different than ever. DTS, will be the brands largest RWD sedan if the Cadillac Sixteen coupe and sedan don't debut by then. I predict a V12 engine could be in production or starting up production by then because of the horsepower war with the Europeans. V16 will see production IF Sixteen comes out and that could be the Flag Ship automobile for GM. XLR, get's a makeover and rides on the C-7 Corvette platform. This new XLR will have 450-500 hp. standard while the "V" a lot more. STS, get's the new ULTRA V8 with 400-450 hp. STS-V get's 100+ more horses. Standard DTS, could get a even bigger and more powerful version of the ULTRA V8. Next year the Cadillac CTS-V get's 505-600 hp. and of course CTS is a huge sales success with power increases within 5 years to match competitors. I wouldn't be surprised if a new engine finds it's way into the CTS as the 3.6 might be limited to it's maximum capacity. SRX, will be redesigned and will be another sales success with the new ULTRA V8. Escalade SUV/EXT will get power increases and I expect a Escalade "V" series to finally debut featuring GM's new V12 which could power a Cadillac Exotic.
This is the best I can come up with "OW". I believe some of the things I predict will come to light. As I said global and domestic economics can make or break most of these plans. These are reasonable guess's based on literature I've read and the prediction of other folks in the business. Car mag and internet leaks, and opinions of others who follow GM played a roll in my present-ten year prediction for GM. As I said 62vetteefp, probably would be much more accurate than me but I don't think many of the things I posted are far off or haven't been discussed seriously at one point in time.
Well certainly toyota, has the hybrid performance power. What surprising to me is the Lexus GS hybrid isn't selling nearly as well as I thought it would. :confuse: I still think if Lexus, would of made a slightly larger IS350 it would sell a lot better. I still think toyota, would be wise if they put a hybrid motor in the IS. It will also be interesting to see how the IS 500 does. When is that coming out again ? This fall right ?
In the final analysis, I predict that Chrysler, under undetermined as yet ownership, will remain a strong source of American vehicles, even if under Canadian ownership. I do not suspect that Chrysler will vie for the top slot among the manufacturers, but I do not see Chrysler folding. Neither GM nor Ford, nor any offshore outfit will drive Chrysler out of business over the next decade. I see many Americans returning to Chrysler (including Jeep) again and again over the decades past, and I think this trend will continue. Here's hoping Daimler splits off Chrysler and the revival continues.
They will be folding their business model not their line of products. And it is well they should. Time to make the necessary changes to meet market expectations.
The problem remains quality, both reality and perceived by the customer..
My perception of quality issues seems so unparallel to the "mainstream" buyer. I find the problems I have had with foreign brand name vehicles to be far more alienating than those I have had from Chrysler Corp.-- over several decades of car purchasing.
Heck, I must have been brain washed by some other means!
Oh well, I think I'll start looking at the beauty and value of the Impala and the Malibu over the Accord, Civic, Corolla and Camry.
Those U.S. cars are bullet proof in terms of quality and simply drop-dead-gorgeous vs. those asian competitors! BTW, you also get outstanding resale value!
I target quality issues as precisely the reason many CONTINUE turning towards the non-domestics.
If that is the main case for you buying vehicles you sure aren't practicing what you preach. Who is mainly having all the recalls, engine sludge, transmission issues here lately ????
You know the cars I had in the past...quality on most was poor. The main case for others buying the Asian brands (which I do not) is quality. It's a shame the big 3 were real late to the party.
>Who is mainly having all the recalls, engine sludge, transmission issues here lately and add rattles, etc.
rocky,
Those are just over magnified by the internet. There are only a very few of those alleged to have happened. And the same poster keeps posting about them making them seem much more common than they are. :grin
If the same things happened in a real domestic, it would be considered a calamity waiting in every vehicle off the assembly line.
Oh about the transmissions in one brand, a poster just said a TSB helped their transmission. Usually the software updates don't seem to help; the problem persists. That indicates a design problem that they can't engineer around.
"If that is the main case for you buying vehicles you sure aren't practicing what you preach. Who is mainly having all the recalls, engine sludge, transmission issues here lately ????
Aren't those quality issues ???? "
The fact is: there are still a lot more of recalls, etc. for the domestics.
Remember the '69 Impala/Chevelle Malibu? That's What I'm Talkin' About!
The current boxes do not deserve the names. The intent was yet another example of why the asian brands win out. Undesirable indifference to design. The bean counters still rule here in the US, IMO.
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Wow.. am amazed to see the 07 Tundra beat the 07 Silverado
All it needed was the 6.2 Liter V8 n 6 Speed Tranny from the Escalade EXT.. n it would of surely take the victory
I guess its up to Ford to take down the Tundra.. when the re-designed F-150 comes out
Did you notice something like I did in that comparo ???????
It's awfully funny edmunds.com used a top trim Tundra with leather and navigation against a stripped version of the Silverado, Titan. It's tests like this that tick me off and instantly lose credibility with me. :mad:
I guess edmunds.com showed their Toyota, biased once again in this test. What a joke and I suppose they thought nobody would notice. :sick:
Rocky
I can't say I can disagree with ya. It however was a obvious attempt to discredit the Silverado and Titan. I ask why do the comparo if your not going to make it even for everyone ???? I like I said put little credibility anymore in comparo's because we often see comparo's where trim levels aren't matched up. It would be like me taking a Escalade EXT and doing a comparo against a stripped single cab Titan with cardboard seats that lemko, says he could rip apart with his bare hands.
Like I said credibility of this test is out the window with me in this test and I'm sure in the future we will see another test with similar vehicals with the same results. :sick:
Rocky
Rocky
Why did GM handicap it's own engine? Why did they build a 2nd-rate truck?:mad:
That's the only question that needs answering. 7.5 is horrible for a "stripped" truck with that much power!
DrFill
-Rocky
Some people like costume jewelry, hence VW sells some cars. Reliability certainly can be overrated if it comes in a package that seems boring or frumpy-looking. And I say that in all sincerity.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I had an 80 Rabbit. When it ran it was a fun car. That didn't happen too often.
I came awfully close to buying a 2000 Passat in late 99 but the Rabbit memory kept haunting me. The Passat was serious fun to drive and even at 3 years its reliability rating wasn't so bad - then it started falling off considerably. Now I'm talking CR reliability ratings so take it as you will. It was at about 4 years out that I stopped regretting buying an Accord instead.
1. Mazda
2. Nissan
3. Mitsubishi
4. The rest of Ford
5. Subaru
6. Hyundai/Kia
7. Honda
8. Toyota
9. GM
10.Chrysler
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11,221 - VW
11,222 - Yugo
:shades:
-Rocky
I'll bet he's in Witness Protection....
UPDATE: Consolidated Summary Of April US Auto Sales Data
Tue, May 1 2007, 18:21 GMT
http://www.djnewswires.com/eu
UPDATE: Consolidated Summary Of April US Auto Sales Data
The following summarizes the U.S. light vehicle sales numbers for April for the major auto makers that have reported data Tuesday. The figures are not adjusted for the number of selling days, which totaled 24 last month and 26 in April 2006. Figures in parentheses indicate a decrease in sales from the year-earlier period.
YR-ON-YR YR-ON-YR
COMPANY SALES CHANGE YTD CHANGE
General Motors (GM) 307,554 (9.5%) 1,205,997 (6.5%)
Ford (F) 228,623 (13%) 871,583 (13%)
Toyota (TM) 210,457 (4.3%) 816,312 6.7%
Chrysler * 193,104 1.6% 730,353 (2.9%)
Nissan (NSANY) 71,124 (18%) 350,105 0%
The following is a breakdown of the April sales numbers for the auto makers by type of vehicle.
TRUCK/SUV CHANGE CARS CHANGE
GM 186,545 (9.1%) 121,009 (10%)
Ford 147,891 (5.8%) 80,732 (24%)
Toyota 89,901 (2.3%) 120,556 (5.8%)
Chrysler 146,439 11% 46,665 (20%)
Nissan 30,410 (22%) 40,714 (14%)
Regards,
OW
I remember driving Chevys that would refuse to stay in a straight line above 55 MPH...just no excuse for that.
A second victory for Toyota can be found here:
http://www.cars.com/go/crp/buyingGuides/Story.jsp?section=Pickup&story=cc_bigTru- ck&subject=stories&year=New
DrFill
Hmm, I suggest that they have always had the worst accountants and Executives!
Regards,
OW
2. Honda
3. BMW/Infinity
3. Hyundai
4. GM
5. Kia/Mitsu/Nissan/Chery/Subaru
The rest.
Regards,
OW
1980 was a LONG time ago.....! 8-)
But the Rabbit really was a piece of junk back then.
They still have the same reputation as way back then - nice, attractive fun to drive cars that are plagued by gremlins.
VW are kind of like a cute, pretty, free-spirited girl. Oh she's fun to be with and your friends seem to think you made a good choice. A few months into the relationship, you find out she's bipolar, addicted to crystal meth, a drama queen, and messes around on you with others of both genders.
I was really stunned when VW announced the name change back to the Rabbit. Maybe Ford will bring back the Edsel.
I think Rabbit sales are up from the the MkIV Golf. But despite being in the right place, I don't think the marketing is going to succeed in selling a whole ton of VWs. The old Jetta managed to hit some sweet styling spot in the eyes of girls in the 16-30 age bracket, which is why sales were high. It hasn't had that look in some time, and low-end VW sales will continue to decline.
Between the amazing interiors, competitive design, and very spotty reliability of VW and the totally bargain basement interiors, mostly one-generation-behind-the-times design (the 40-years-throwback Hemi is your hook? C'mon!) and less-than-stellar reliability of most of the Chrysler Group, I will take VW. So I rank it above the "other domestic brand".
Ford is rapidly falling in my personal rankings. GM is above Nissan these days, with Honda at #1 and Toyota at #2.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Regards,
OW
-Rocky
-Rocky
Lemko has the idea - if they put a VW interior in a Cobalt you wouldn't have to worry about offering incentives.
I think a lot of car makers make that sort of mistake. They decide where they are going to cut corners and pick dumb spots. A bad as a cheap interior is a less than stellar paint job. I think that latter one has at least been licked.
I do tell people over and over again to never buy a car in a color they don't like no matter how good the deal is. You save a few bucks, and maybe over the course of a loan it's only a couple of bucks a month but you have look at the damn thing for years. I'd advise the same thing on interiors. If yo don't like it don't buy it. You'll spend a lot of time in there.
Just to show I'm not immune to such things, my Hondas have cheap stereos. Yet I'll buy them and not upgrade. On the newer van I may bite the bullet and at least change out the front speakers for better ones.
I do not place much weight on the mid to upper executive level basically because they really do not add value, especially in the model which has basically failed. The manager/supervisory and plant staff get the job done. The problem has always been the marching orders and where the focus has been.
To me, it is as though the good stories always seemed to survive instead of thrive at the end of the day, with many great starts shot dead along the way.
I would appreciate your candid assessment on how the these 4 will end up in 5, 10 and 30 years out.
Regards,
OW
you might be better off asking 62vettefp that question. He probably has a better idea as he's more connected to GM's upper levels
My family circle only extends to General Motors, Delphi Corporation, and of course the United Auto Workers
& IUE-CWA. Since so many of my family member's have left GM/Delphi, a lot about the future as far as connections go on projects has been lost. It is also hard to predict what is or what isn't going to happen because of the economy, trade, currency, future union contracts, market trends, and the big one energy prices. I have my opinions about what is going to happen in 5 years. 10 years I think alternative energy will be on line. 30 years or sooner cars will be driving themselves. For all I know you could see the Flex Capacitor taking folks back to 1965, and car's running on garbage, flying around like Doc Browns DeLorean. :P
My 5 year prediction for GM:
Buick:
I see Buick Lucerne RWD sedan with ULTRA V8's which replaced the Northstar and will be bigger in size. I see Buick LaCrosse remain FWD and will be a ES 350 fighter with FWD. I see a Buick Velite/Riveria Sedan as a midsize with RWD and 350 hp. I also see a Buick Velite/Riveria Convertible with 400-450 hp. being the halo car.
Enclave will be re freshened Rainier/Rendezvous gone.
Chevrolet:
C-7 Corvette with 450-500 hp. standard. Z06/SS 650-750 hp.
Chevrolet Impala will be a large RWD sedan with lots of configurations. Malibu will still be a big seller with maybe a SS package by them. Silverado/Tahoe will be on a refresh and spy picks of the next generation my make their debut. A Lambada based CUV probably will debut because of force by Chevy dealers. Equinox could be gone. Trailblazer gone as well.
Pontiac:
G8 will be a big seller with a Holden like HSV package with Delphi's Magneride and mega power for GXP/GTX. Next GTO/Firebird has debuted. G6 size of car goes RWD. Maybe a Holden Statesmen debut's as Bonneville ? This division could just as well be axed like the Pontiac Torrent.
Saturn:
Basically the same as it's now only model refreshes. The Saturn Astra, becomes a house hold name.
Saab:
I assume most if not all will be built on Opels and look a lot like the Saab-X concept we saw last year. Saab, likely will be the leader for GM, experimenting with alternative fuels. Saab, will offer AWD models like Volvo, and will focus towards performance but still will be a little quirky and of course will have turbos. It will be a niche division of GM, for those wanting something sporty, luxurious, and very safe. Saab, will draw a lot off it's heritage and will be a leader of technology in all area' s. This fact will make the division exciting once again and with Saab's reliability rating low already GM, can afford to take chances because a recall won't be on a mass scale due to being a low-mid size volume brand. It will essentially be GM's lab rat and people like myself like having something different than Joe Six-Pack camcord driver.
GMC:
I would hope and think GM, follows through even further on distinguishing this truck division from Chevrolet, if it's still around. Sales are up at GMC, thus I doubt GMC, goes anywhere. The Denali version get's better yet and get even more Cadillac, technology like Ventilated seats, Bose 5.1, and maybe Blue tooth debut's in GMC ????
Hummer
Hummer H3 SUT does great in sales. Pressure to improve Hummer's fuel economy as the global warming debate heats up forces GM to either axe the brand or put Duramax versions of their Diesel in the H2 SUV/SUT. I predict the 2-Mode will find it's use in the H3 which will raise the brands fuel economy average much higher.
Cadillac:
Cadillac, will look much different than ever. DTS, will be the brands largest RWD sedan if the Cadillac Sixteen coupe and sedan don't debut by then. I predict a V12 engine could be in production or starting up production by then because of the horsepower war with the Europeans. V16 will see production IF Sixteen comes out and that could be the Flag Ship automobile for GM. XLR, get's a makeover and rides on the C-7 Corvette platform. This new XLR will have 450-500 hp. standard while the "V" a lot more. STS, get's the new ULTRA V8 with 400-450 hp. STS-V get's 100+ more horses. Standard DTS, could get a even bigger and more powerful version of the ULTRA V8. Next year the Cadillac CTS-V get's 505-600 hp. and of course CTS is a huge sales success with power increases within 5 years to match competitors. I wouldn't be surprised if a new engine finds it's way into the CTS as the 3.6 might be limited to it's maximum capacity. SRX, will be redesigned and will be another sales success with the new ULTRA V8. Escalade SUV/EXT will get power increases and I expect a Escalade "V" series to finally debut featuring GM's new V12 which could power a Cadillac Exotic.
This is the best I can come up with "OW". I believe some of the things I predict will come to light. As I said global and domestic economics can make or break most of these plans. These are reasonable guess's based on literature I've read and the prediction of other folks in the business. Car mag and internet leaks, and opinions of others who follow GM played a roll in my present-ten year prediction for GM. As I said 62vetteefp, probably would be much more accurate than me but I don't think many of the things I posted are far off or haven't been discussed seriously at one point in time.
Only the future will tell all of us the truth.
-Rocky
The concern I have is that hopefully, the HP wars come with more "green" in mind. IOW, hybrid tech provides the excitment without the pollution.
If the energy costs can be mitigated and the design becomes KING again, there is hope.
But if design and excitment lags the int'l competition, all bets are off and your predictions will have an asian heritage.
Tonight, I saw a MINT stock '69 Camaro and I thougt of the good 'ole days. What a difference 38 years have made.
Regards,
OW
-Rocky
The problem remains quality, both reality and perceived by the customer..
Regards,
OW
I guess I am not a main stream buyer but why has the tide turned so ferociously AGAINST the US brands?
I target quality issues as precisely the reason many CONTINUE turning towards the non-domestics. Not the only reason, however.
Regards,
OW
The past 30 years have been all a lie! :lemon:
Oh well, I think I'll start looking at the beauty and value of the Impala and the Malibu over the Accord, Civic, Corolla and Camry.
Those U.S. cars are bullet proof in terms of quality and simply drop-dead-gorgeous vs. those asian competitors! BTW, you also get outstanding resale value!
Regards,
OW
If that is the main case for you buying vehicles you sure aren't practicing what you preach.
Aren't those quality issues ???? :confuse:
-Rocky
You know the cars I had in the past...quality on most was poor. The main case for others buying the Asian brands (which I do not) is quality. It's a shame the big 3 were real late to the party.
History speaks volumes here.
Regards,
OW
rocky,
Those are just over magnified by the internet. There are only a
If the same things happened in a real domestic, it would be considered a calamity waiting in every vehicle off the assembly line.
Oh about the transmissions in one brand, a poster just said a TSB helped their transmission. Usually the software updates don't seem to help; the problem persists. That indicates a design problem that they can't engineer around.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Aren't those quality issues ???? "
The fact is: there are still a lot more of recalls, etc. for the domestics.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Remember the '69 Impala/Chevelle Malibu? That's What I'm Talkin' About!
The current boxes do not deserve the names. The intent was yet another example of why the asian brands win out. Undesirable indifference to design. The bean counters still rule here in the US, IMO.
Regards,
OW