What about Volvo's future?

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    What about a chip or a programmer ? I'd want to take off that silly 130 mph governor and at least a few times run it into the 150 range where it really belongs. ;)

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    that's what i mean by "reflash."
    I guess if taking the speed limiter off means that much to you, you could spend the money. Personally, I'd rather save the money AND keep my license.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I guess I didn't know what reflash meant. I'd only do a top-speed run on a vacant country HWY. Ask rorr, we have a few here in the Panhandle ;)

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    yeah, i realized I didn't explain what reflash was. For the volvo (and probably alot of other modern vehicles), a chip is not an easy task. It involves soldering onto the original ECU, which can result in an expensive mistake. So TME/IPD choose to "reflash" the stock ECU with their own program. Its more expensive than a traditional chip, but its considered more reliable.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,405
    The styling is unoffensive but there isn't really anything new, and the grille is a bit large. I can't get over those ugly warts on all the door handles. The interior is first-rate, though.
  • phinneas519phinneas519 Member Posts: 113
    ...that offers cars as boring as a night playing cribbage with Aunt Gladys? I deeply, deeply mourn the passing of the body styles Volvo carried from the 80s into the mid to late 90s. The way I saw it, Volvo was defined by these unique and interesting vehicle designs and now they have faded into the crowd of sleek look-a-likes. I would like to ask for a moment of silence...

    With that said and done, I pray that I will be able to find a Volvo of that era when I have the room to store it and tinker with it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    I can't necessarily argue. My S70 was a sweet lookin' brick.

    I think the V50 and C70 are pretty sharp in their own right, though.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://www.volvocars.com/campaigns/Misc/HeartOfVolvo/

    Rocky :)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Until we can start building the new 2007' Volvo S80 :shades:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=117081

    Looks like one of my dream cars is going to start at $48K. load her up and I'm sure I'd be looking at $52-55K. :sick:
    More than I was hoping to spend for fully loaded sports package. Maybe I could get a good lease on one ?

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I just built me a 2007' Volvo S80, just like I wanted and I have sticker shock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My MSRP comes in at $64,685 :surprise: :surprise: :surprise: :surprise:

    Well I guess I can scratch that one off my list ! :cry:
    I might as well buy a Cadillac Escalade ESV Hybrid if I'm going to spend that kind of dough. :cry: I'd could get one cheaper than a S80, like I want. :surprise:

    I guess it's not meant to be, for me anyways. For y'all that can afford one I'm very jealous. :(

    Rocky :sick:
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    you were able to add 14K in otions to the V8 model, which starts pretty well loaded? Sure you weren't on the Canadian site!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    Rock posted this in the '07 S80 discussion, too, and we found he had added just about everything, including $3k rims!

    I'd be surprised if ANYONE actually bought a vehicle loaded like that.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    LOL, I didn't add any "roof" options like the Ski, Canoe, luggage racks that were available. I admit I added the $2800 rims because they are chrome and look better. I also off the top of my head thought the "Z" rated rubber came with those rims?.

    Heck I'll just show you what I got....Hold on... ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    2007 VOLVO S80 V8 AWD TOTAL(MSRP) $64,773 BASE PRICE$47,350 StylingN/C
    Exterior Black
    N/C 18" x 8" Zubra Alloy Wheels with 245/40R18 W Pirelli P Zero Rosso Tires
    N/C Interior Sport Seats, Sandstone Beige Perforated Leather Seating Surfaces
    N/C Options$12,060
    Climate Package
    $725
    Heated Front Seats
    Heated Windshield Washer Nozzles
    Rainsensor Windshield Wipers
    High-Pressure Headlamp Cleaning
    Sport Package
    $2,495
    8.0 inch x 18 inch Zubra Alloy Wheels with 245/40R18 Performance Tires
    4C Chassis with Three Settings
    Ventilated Front Seats with Unique Perforated Seating Surfaces
    Active Bi-Xenon Headlamps
    Speed-Sensitive Steering
    Audio Package
    $1,550
    Premium Sound System - 12 Dynaudio Speakers, 5x130W Amplifier, Dolby ProLogic II Surround System
    Sirius Satellite Radio
    Personal Car Communicator (PCC), Including Keyless Drive, Two-way Remote Communication of Vehicle's Security Status, and Heartbeat Sensor
    $495 Volvo's Blind Spot Information System (BLIS)
    $595 Adaptive Cruise Control with Collision Warning and Brake Support
    $1,495 Park Assist, Front & Rear
    $495 Volvo Navigation System with HDD, DVD Map Date & Remote Control
    $2,120 Volvo Dual-Screen Rear Seat Entertainment System
    $1,995 Satellite Radio Preparation - Sirius
    $95 Accessories$4,668
    Parking Assistance Camera
    $704 iPod / USB Music Player
    $335 18" Chrome wheel "Balius"
    $2,855 Booster Cushion/Backrest
    $144 Cargo Compartment Mat Reversible
    $86 Sill Moldings, illuminated
    $456 Rubber Floor Mats
    $88 FeaturesHorsepower 311 @ 5,950 RPM; Torque 325 ft./lbs. @ 3,950 RPM
    V8, 4.4-liter engine
    6-Speed Geartronic Automatic Transmission
    All Wheel Drive with Instant Traction
    Dynamic Stability Traction Control (DSTC)
    Whiplash Protection Seating System (WHIPS)
    Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
    Side Impact Protection System (SIPS) with Dual Chamber Airbags
    Leather Seating Surfaces
    Power Glass Moonroof
    Pyrotechnical Pretensioners, All Seats
    Leather Seating Surfaces
    Dual-Zone Electronic Climate Control (ECC)
    AUX-Input and In-dash 6-CD Changer with MP3 Capability
    17" Meissa Alloy Wheels
    Genuine Wood Inlays
    Power Driver (with memory) and Passenger Seat
    Power Glass Moonroof
    Warranty4 Years or 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first
    Roadside AssistanceVolvo On Call Roadside Assistance
    4 Years
    DESTINATION FEE$695

    Rocky ;)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    So my point is yes I do want alot of options but who doesn't ? The car with all those safety features and "gadgets" is what pushed me over the edge to wanting one and is why the new 2007' Volvo S80 will always be one of my very favoritest cars. It's a bank vault on wheels. The new safety gadgets Volvo, now has makes the S80 look like a Bank Vault surrounded with "Special Forces" for security. ;)

    Hopefully these new gadgets will trickle down to the S60 in the near future, and hopefully more will be added. :)

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    what's that saying? "caviar taste on a cheez-wiz budget"?
    or something like that ... lol.

    you and my wife are similar in that manner. It's all or nothing.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    what's that saying? "caviar taste on a cheez-wiz budget"?
    or something like that ... lol.

    ROTFLMAO, Well I could afford such a car but wouldn't be able to do a whole lot of much else.

    you and my wife are similar in that manner. It's all or nothing.

    ROTFLMAO, yes I've always been that type of personality. It's either all or nothing. It's really hard for me to not buy the top trim w/ all the options for any specific model. I don't know why I'm like that, but I've always been that way. I must get that from my mother. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I guess we will have to wait a few years to see the next Volvo S60. Does anyone have any idea what engine Volvo is thinking about putting in this car ????

    How bout the S60R ????

    Do any of you guys/gals think they might use the Twin-Turbo V-6 out of the MKS to put in the S60R ? It would make since from a cost standpoint, wouldn't it ?

    I personally am hoping a 1000 watt Dynaudio system will find its way into this car, along with all the gadgets we see now in the S80. I also could handle a cloned S80 interior, but having the option a 6-speed manual. I remember sometime back Volvo was testing a four-hundred and twenty something horsepower Turbocharged I-5 in the V70. :surprise: I wonder if that engine is still a possible application ?

    I tell you guys one thing a new S60R with that kind of power, and a price tag under $50K loaded might prove to be a good choice for any Volvo enthusiast. :)

    I'm also still waiting to see if volvo will do the right thing and make us a C-70R with AWD and lottsa power. I tell you one thing I wouldn't have to worry about a Buick Velite if such a car found its ways to our shores. :shades:

    I have read rumors that a "R" version isn't out of the realm of possibility. :D

    "Time will tell I suppose" :cry:

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    geez, i hope its not a few years. In terms of car cycles, the design is already ancient.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    geez, i hope its not a few years. In terms of car cycles, the design is already ancient.

    I agree, but have you saw any spy photo's to prove otherwise ? Unfortunately if they were going to have a new model out next year, I would assume we would of seen something by now, right ?

    You and Volvomax, are my experts. ;)

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    oh man. don't count on me for anything solid. lol. we'll both have to leave it up to vmax.

    well... let's see... i dunno. when did we first see reports of the new S80?

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I saw reports of the S80, I wanna say late last year.
    (I Think)

    Rocky

    P.S. You are still a expert in my book. ;)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    New Volvo S80 goes on sale in February starting at $39,400 for front-wheel drive six-cylinder. The all-wheel-drive V-8 is $47,350.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061121/AUTO02/611210301/- 1148/AUTO01

    God, I still want one. :cry:

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    any chance of volvo coming out with a diesel in the next couple of years?

    My wife has wanted an XC90 since it was introduced, and I'd like to get her one in 20 months when her Pacifica goes back to the dealer, but the benz suvs are the only diesels on the radar at the moment that we'd consider. If volvo would come out with a diesel xc90, it would be a strong contender for our consideration.

    so how about it, volvomax? Any grumblings of such a thing happening in the near future?

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061124/UPDATE/611240418/- 1148/AUTO01

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061125/AUTO01/611250344/- 1148

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/AUTO02/611290302/- 1148/AUTO01

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    according to british_rover, volvo and LR are both profitable (and the only profitable companies at Ford, I believe). I never checked LR's financials, though, to confirm.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Hmmmmmm.....One would think Aston, would be profitable since it is so highly thought of. :surprise:

    Rocky

    P.S.

    I personally like Land Rover's vehicals like the Range Rover HSE, but they are priced WAY out of my league.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    One would think Aston, would be profitable

    you would think ... but, then again, when you sell in such low numbers, do you ever really recoup development costs? Possibly not. At least not at their pricepoint. Someone like Ferrari or Lambo, who sell cars priced at least double of Aston, is a different story.

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well sell at double and make the cars justify that price. Adding horsepower doesn't cost that much money. If they can't make it profitable then what's the sense of owning them ?

    Rocky
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    that's exactly the point. I'm not sure who would want to own them, unless the buyer thinks they can make them profitable or gain something from owning them, as Ford did when they bought Jag, for instance. But, in the nearly 20 years since buying them, Ford has not been able to pull Jag out of the gutter, unfortunately.

    The real sad part is that I've always dreamed of owning a Jag. :(

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Yeah, I'm a Jag fan myself qbrozen, I feel your pain pal. :cry:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    2007 VOLVO S80 V8 AWD TOTAL(MSRP) $65,248

    Base Price$47,350
    Styling$475
    Exterior Barents Blue Metallic
    $475
    18" x 8" Zubra Alloy Wheels with 245/40R18 W Pirelli P Zero Rosso Tires
    N/C
    Interior Sport Seats, Sandstone Beige Perforated Leather Seating Surfaces
    N/C
    Options$12,060
    Climate Package
    $725
    Heated Front Seats
    Heated Windshield Washer Nozzles
    Rainsensor Windshield Wipers
    High-Pressure Headlamp Cleaning
    Sport Package
    $2,495
    8.0 inch x 18 inch Zubra Alloy Wheels with 245/40R18 Performance Tires
    4C Chassis with Three Settings
    Ventilated Front Seats with Unique Perforated Seating Surfaces
    Active Bi-Xenon Headlamps
    Speed-Sensitive Steering
    Audio Package
    $1,550
    Premium Sound System - 12 Dynaudio Speakers, 5x130W Amplifier, Dolby ProLogic II Surround System
    Sirius Satellite Radio
    Personal Car Communicator (PCC), Including Keyless Drive, Two-way Remote Communication of Vehicle's Security Status, and Heartbeat Sensor
    $495
    Volvo's Blind Spot Information System (BLIS)
    $595
    Adaptive Cruise Control with Collision Warning and Brake Support
    $1,495
    Park Assist, Front & Rear
    $495
    Volvo Navigation System with HDD, DVD Map Date & Remote Control
    $2,120
    Volvo Dual-Screen Rear Seat Entertainment System
    $1,995
    Satellite Radio Preparation - Sirius
    $95
    Accessories$4,668
    Parking Assistance Camera
    $704
    iPod / USB Music Player
    $335
    18" Chrome wheel "Balius"
    $2,855
    Booster Cushion/Backrest
    $144
    Cargo Compartment Mat Reversible
    $86
    Sill Moldings, illuminated
    $456
    Rubber Floor Mats
    $88
    FeaturesHorsepower 311 @ 5,950 RPM; Torque 325 ft./lbs. @ 3,950 RPM
    V8, 4.4-liter engine
    6-Speed Geartronic Automatic Transmission
    All Wheel Drive with Instant Traction
    Dynamic Stability Traction Control (DSTC)
    Whiplash Protection Seating System (WHIPS)
    Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
    Side Impact Protection System (SIPS) with Dual Chamber Airbags
    Leather Seating Surfaces
    Power Glass Moonroof
    Pyrotechnical Pretensioners, All Seats
    Leather Seating Surfaces
    Dual-Zone Electronic Climate Control (ECC)
    AUX-Input and In-dash 6-CD Changer with MP3 Capability
    17" Meissa Alloy Wheels
    Genuine Wood Inlays
    Power Driver (with memory) and Passenger Seat
    Power Glass Moonroof
    Warranty4 Years or 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first
    Roadside AssistanceVolvo On Call Roadside Assistance
    4 Years
    DESTINATION FEE$695

    This car is my favoritest car for model year 2007'. I just don't think my budget could stretch this far for it. :sick:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=lvVXGvYIh9k&mode=related&search=

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=tIFKdvuTylc

    I guess it's hard to question which car is the worlds Safest ? ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2Ki0dE9IP0

    One of the coolest car commercials I've seen in a while.... :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YiqR0W6hY-U

    Scandinavian Art ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Holy Smokes !!!!! Wow, this is awesome. I wonder if it comes with all the V8's bells and Whistles ????

    Anyone have ant details ????

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120713

    http://automotivenews.blogsome.com/2007/05/09/volvo-adds-t6-turbo-awd-to-s80-lin- e/ - I guess this is the most that's out.....

    -Rocky
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,610
    Help me out here. In what way is this model preferable to the V-8 (other than the possibility that it will be less expensive)? Incidentally, that is a genuine question, I am not just being a pain.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    other than the possibility that it will be less expensive

    ummm... why do you need more than that?
    Do you think people pick the IS250 over the IS350 because it is superior in any way other than price?

    if you really need another reason ... well, MAYBE it will get better mileage?

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  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    are more sprightly and fun to drive. It's not merely about price at all. I bought a turbo 4 Passat over the V6 because I thought it more nimble.
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Member Posts: 396
    Ford eyes sale of Volvo cars, BMW interested, says newspaper

    Automotive News | 4:00 am, May 29, 2007

    STOCKHOLM (Reuters) – Loss-making Ford Motor is planning to sell Volvo and BMW could be a possible buyer, a Swedish newspaper said on Monday, May 28.

    The Goteborgs Posten daily reported on its Web site that a source within Ford said BMW has been studying a possible purchase of Volvo.

    The Financial Times also reported Friday, May 25, that BMW was in informal talks to buy Volvo.

    "We cannot comment on speculation, this is a question for our owner," said a spokeswoman for Volvo cars.

    Ford bought Volvo in 1999 and it is now part of the US company's Premier Automotive group, including Jaguar and Land Rover.

    Ford does not disclose results for its individual brands, but taken together its luxury line-up lost $327 million in 2006.

    Merrill Lynch has said Ford could raise over $9 billion by selling the remaining luxury car brands.

    Volvo CEO Fredrik Arp told Reuters in March that Ford was committed to keeping the Swedish carmaker.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    wow! that would be surprising!

    Ford does not disclose results for its individual brands, but taken together its luxury line-up lost $327 million in 2006.

    Thanks entirely to jaguar. volvo turns a profit, hence my would-be surprise at picking that as the company to drop.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    who would want to buy Jaguar? If you need money, you have to sell something of value!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    Can Ford sell Ford? ;b
    Granted, it doesn't turn a profit, but all the equipment HAS to be worth SOMETHING to SOMEBODY ... doesn't it?

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,610
    Well, its not that less expensive isn't good, it's just that the article spoke in terms of "a few thousand dollars south of the V8 model’s $47,350 price tag" and unless the T6 is just as well equipped as the V8 (or lacks only features that you wouldn't order anyway) that seems a little thin for giving up 26 hp. The better mileage might be a consideration.

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  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    T6 should be about $5k less than the V8.
    Std equip will be close. The V8's 08 price goes up over $1,000.
    V8 gets soft leather,a full wood dash,some aluminum exterior trim,and the PCC as std equipment.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150
    Despite problems with our 2001 XC70, we think we will re-up soon with either current style XC70 or the new style. (Neither my wife nor the buff books think that the XC90 is preferable for what we use the XC70 for.)

    We like the Volvo price points, room, and lack of pretension compared to what we think are the comparables: the E Class wagon which is in the high 50's and the 535X wagon which is roughly 67K. We don't think that Suburu, Saturn, or other small wagons are comparables. Saab, the original "winter car", might be but they have had 20 years to call Haldex for an AWD system and haven't done so yet. We live in New England so AWD is the way to go.

    The Germans play the option game far more agressively than Volvo and their final price adds up quickly. So much so that you wind up asking yourself, who would would ever dare to put some firewood in the back or haul a Christmas tree home in a 67K wagon? Moreover, given the extreme rear slant on the MB and Bimmer they are less "wagon-like" and their cargo capacity seems limited. It seems that their rear windows are great for prep school stickers.

    When I look at the fragmentary info on Volvo's web site, I don't see many new things in the new '08 wagon. Oh, sure the interior looks a little better and there is now a 6 cylinder engine but it comes with only a small increase in HP over the five cylinder. Unfortunately, I suspect that the AWD car is still heavily front wheel drive biased (I'd love it if the front to rear power ratio was more like 30% front and 70% rear; it would be far more fun.)

    Volvomax and others do you see any compelling new features in the new '08? Better engineering, more safety, etc?
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