Where to find E85 flex fuel vehicles ?
spider348
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Can anyone recommend a car dealer/salesman who is knowledgeable on flex fuel E85 engines ?
I have made dozens of calls around the west and not one salesperson understands this topic much less wants to help find one.
I am seeking to purchase n E85 sedan (Mercedes C320/240) and pickup (Nissan Titan or GMC/Chevy).
Thanks.
I have made dozens of calls around the west and not one salesperson understands this topic much less wants to help find one.
I am seeking to purchase n E85 sedan (Mercedes C320/240) and pickup (Nissan Titan or GMC/Chevy).
Thanks.
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfueltype.htm
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As you can see from that list it is consistent that you will get 25% less MPG with E85.
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This is a common question that is asked of the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition. Unfortunately, there is no simple answer. In the strictest sense, yes, a vehicle that was designed to operate on unleaded gasoline only could be converted to operate on E85. Realistically, no, a vehicle cannot be converted to operate on E85. Here’s why!
During the 1980s and early 1990s, many small companies were formed that were altering gasoline powered vehicles to operate on other forms of fuels such as propane, compressed natural gas, 85 percent ethanol, and 85 percent methanol. The marketing program of these conversion companies was based on the premise that it was cheaper to operate a vehicle on alternative fuels. However, the vehicles being converted were engineered, designed and built to operate on unleaded only. Shortly after the emergence of the “conversion firms” the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) determined that when converted from gasoline to another form of fuel, the exhaust emissions from these converted vehicles were often much “dirtier” than prior to conversion. See explanation regarding EPA Memo 1A. The use of alternative fuels in the transportation sector has been built around the objectives of using cleaner, non-gasoline based components.
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/conversion.php
I would like to be able to choose a Ford Focus wagon FFV or something from another manufacturer that compares in size and mileage. :shades:
If you don't like Fords, your choices are limited, unfortunately......
That is pretty much true. Though Chrysler offered their minivans in 2000 as FFV. GM only had the small PU trucks in 2001. Ford/Mazda has had the most FFVs over the last 7 years. I think with GM they just happened to be on the upswing when the politicians jumped on the alcohol bandwagon.
After all, both GM and Ford are making their monster trucks with flexfuel capacity(just to muddy the Mileage stats I'm sure)
I don't want even a small SUV but would do it if it could take the E85. It is clean air I want.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfueltype.htm
What I can't find is a car I want that can use E85.
Chevy dealers deny any GM sedan has ever been flexfuel(pathetic morons=car salesman) Offered me an Avalanche instead of an Impala.
Ford says only flexfuels were special made for for fleets. That might be a better story. sigh.
Now I want a E85/hybrid mix-and I'm guessing that is a long time coming. The manufacturers aren't listening. :mad:
Toyota got enough bad press with the Prius only getting 46 MPG combined when it was rated at 55 MPG. Can you imagine if it was a Flex Fuel it would only get about 32 MPG on E85. That is better than any of the cars available so far for E85. Volkswagen sells 100% Flex Fuel vehicles in Brazil. Maybe you could buy a FF Beetle and have the only one in the DC area.
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=22474
An excellent source on VW TDI's go to tdiclub.com
A good sorce of info on e85 is e85fuel.com
A google seach will give a wealth of info on this topic. One need to keep in mind, dispite the enthusiest and the naysayers, all these vehicle segments have good and bad points. Those sites I mention are very helpful and friendly. Some sites even have a network of likeminded owners for one to network with in regards to the vehicle.
I hope this helps...
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I tried to log onto the website (www.fullflxint.com) and it did not exist! :confuse:
Ford FFV
http://www.ford.com/en/vehicles/specialtyVehicles/environmental/ethanol.htm
GM FFV
http://www.gm.com/automotive/innovations/altfuel/vehicles/
Convert your Own Vehicle
http://www.flextek.com/
More info at http://www.trye85.com/