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Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit



  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    well techincally they are both underpinned by ford.

    I consider it more a japanese though.

    And he was referring specifically to 'german' cars not all european cars. I'm pretty sure that a renault or fiat feels different than a vw or bimmer.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    well technically they are both underpinned by ford.

    Maybe so, but, it's a great platform. It really is only the base to build a vehicle off of. The Mazda3, Volvo S40 and Focus are all totally different vehicles.

    The Mazda3 has a European drive (great handling, responsive steering, top knotch breaking) and offers Japanese reliability.
  • ktpklossktpkloss Posts: 28
    and decided i need a new car, Mazda3 or VW... went to a Mazda/VW dealer (how convenient) test drove 4-dr 6A, 2-dr 6A and a GTI VWs plus a 4dr hatchback Mazda3... my subjective opinion? they're both similarily good cars, above the competition in the compact segment...pluses for Mazda: (touring s, no options) alloy wheels, stability control...not much more... Rabbit: heated mirrors, better room (first car ever i didn't have to pull the seat all the way back to drive comfortably + plus it's wider, and that helps a lot) way better default sound system, great visibility, more elegant,refined stylish interior finish... well... and to top it off it's 3k less than Mazda (i wanted hatchback, don't need 4 doors, so 2dr VW will do just fine)
    got that rabbit for $16.4k ($300 below MSRP) vs $19.4k that the guy wanted for Mazda3 5-dr hatchback, touring S...

    no braier, and , lol... i heard a lot about horrible VW dealership experiences, mine was totally awesome actually...i was awaiting that "extended warranty/undercoating/acid rain" crap filled with dread...but...surprise surprise, visit to the "finance office" took all of 3 minutes and ended with an honest handshake. thanks Walker VW/Mazda in Barre, VT :)))
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    The Mazda3, Volvo S40 and Focus are all totally different vehicles. The Mazda3 has a European drive (great handling, responsive steering, top knotch breaking) and offers Japanese reliability.

    Speaking of European, the British weekly, Autocar, rates (using 5 stars) the Ford Focus superior to the Mazda3 and Volvo S40.
    - Focus hatch: 4.5 stars, "UK's favourite car returns bigger and better than ever"
    - Volvo S40: 3 stars, "strangely less than the sum of its parts"
    - Mazda3 hatch: 3 stars, "a good car, but not quite what it should have been"

    Moral of the story: sometimes you have to leave home to feel appreciated.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Moral of the story: sometimes you have to leave home to feel appreciated.

    If I wen to the UK, I would be driving a far superior Focus then we get here.....I guess I would appreciate that much more then what Ford provides for their own people!
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    - Mazda3 hatch: 3 stars, "a good car, but not quite what it should have been"

    I checked Autocar again and noticed that the Mazda3 hatchbacks in the UK differ from those being sold in North America. The UK Mazda3 hatch uses a 2.0 L with 148 hp instead of our 2.3 L with 164 hp. Hooray for us!
  • ktpklossktpkloss Posts: 28
    there's a german comparison of rabbit (golf) mazda 3 and not offered in US Kia Cee'd... you don't have to know german to get a sense of what's going on...btw that Kia is not bad at all! and followig hyunday's example in US, they offer best warranty in europe now.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    The comparison is with the Mazda3 hatchback with a 1.6L engine offering only 105hp (poor cousin to what we have available).

    p.s. Being a German site, I am not surprised that the VW Rabbit won. ;)
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...instead of our 2.3 L with 164 hp."

    I thought it was only 156hp. :confuse:
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    the rabbit being the car that it is, i'm not suprised that it won either! :P
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    good choice ktpkloss! Glad you like your bunny, my experince with the dealer was much the same; quick, friendly, and to the point. But the dealer that i deal with now (where i get my service done.), they are less than stellar. But i was more concerned with the buying experience personally.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    it is. even before the new sae ratings it was only ever 160.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    and the other cars were offering the same size engine too.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    I thought it was only 156hp.
    Oops. You're right! I don't know from where I got that.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    its ok. I always forget numbers too!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I had the opportunity to drive a Mazda3, and a Mazda5, both rental, but almost new cars, back to back. Boy, do they feel like completely different cars even though they share platform and many components! The steering feel, in particular, felt so much better in the 3.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    its probably the weight, a car like the mazda 5 really need a small displacement v-6. Plus its much taller than the 3.
  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    5 feels 500-pound heavier than 3. It's still a very agile car which does not need a v6 (unless you recommend v6 for every car) - with manual it accelerates well and stops great. Also, taller doesn't mean higher center of gravity.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Also, taller doesn't mean higher center of gravity."

    Well, in the case of comparing a Mazda5 to a Mazda3, yes, taller DOES mean a higher center of gravity.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The 4-cyl in the 5, IMO, would be completely acceptable for city use -- quite peppy. I didn't get a chance to test it on the highway, but I suspect it may be a bit underpowered going up a hill at highway speeds.

    The 5 also handled quite nicely. I actually found it quite tossable. I didn't expect it to handle as nicely as the lighter, lower 3, but what I found surprising was that the steering lacked the precise road feel in the 3.

    And, IMO, Mazda has to put in traction control in the 5. It wasn't difficult to spin the inside front tire at all when turning on wet pavement.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    You might want to take a look at this article (featuring the 3, but can be applicable to any car):
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Hmm..that's interesting, although I can't say I'm really surprised by anything the story has revealed. I've always known alarms are only for psychological peace of mind (even though I'm as guilty as anyone in perpetuating that mythology by insisting on having one),but I've always thought immobilizers are effective anti-theft devices. :confuse: The other thing I've heard is that a tiny bit of ceramic (ie. from the tip of a spark plug) can break automotive glass effectively. :cry:
  • stallionrestallionre Posts: 205
    Amen to that. I hate Rabbit's, I had one and they suck. No offense to Rabbit owners. I love my new 2007 Mazda 3 S Grand Touring, fully loaded to the max. A "J" car is simply the best. This has been proven many times over. A "J" car is the first digit in the vin#, this is made 100% in Japan.
    I have Two Honda's that are "J" cars and now the Mazda which is a "J" car and love them all. Rabbits can compete especially with the price of the Mazda's.
  • stallionrestallionre Posts: 205
    This you are right about, however, having an engine cut off unit, is awesome. At least the only thing is that will be broken is the window and hopefully that the car will not be stolen. Nothing is a guarantee in life. I keep my cars in my garage.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Don't mean to be doom and gloom, but a friend of a friend had her Mercedes stolen right out of her garage! :cry:
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    J in the vin number doens't always mean that.

    And its your opinion.

    Rabbits can compete especially with the price of the Mazda's

    you are right...they SURE can!

    If you don't want to upset anyone, don't post comments like '_____ sucks.' or, 'i HATE _____'.

    I like my bunny better than the 3, but i still like the 3 and realize what both cars stregnths and weaknesses are.

    You post has a very heavy air of someone who didn't REALLY own one, and is just saying that to hate on the car.

    For example, why not elaborate to why it sucked? And why you traded it in so early? was it a 2 door? Four door? Did you make a profit off of it or do you know have negative equity since the earliest you could have had one was back in 2006, and that means you would have had to have been waiting in line for one... :blush:
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 7,715
    Let's not turn this into a personal thing please.

    It's OK to disagree about the cars. That's the purpose of a comparison discussion like this. But we're not here to talk about the motivations of each other. Let's stick to the cars please.

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  • stallionrestallionre Posts: 205
    I didn't attack anyone here at all, I was simply stating the car. I did own one and had nothing but problems, from an oil leak to a trans problem at 30,000 miles. I "DON'T LIKE THE CAR", HOW IS THAT? BETTER? I had a 2002 4 door, brand new. Also I think the Jetta's look cheap. If you look at it from the front, it looks like a Kia.
    Every car on the market has their weaknesses. Nothing in life is perfect, not even a $100,000 car.

    I traded in the car because I was putting over $2,500 a year to maintain it and the warranty was out already.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    so you didnt have a rabbit? You had a 2002 golf?

    2 completley different cars...if you hate the golf, post it in the golf forum.

    ....and if you are talking about the rabbit...what made you want one after your previous experience? the mazda 3 did exist when the rabbit/mkV came to our shores... :confuse:
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    just asking why someone is hatin' is legit anymore?

    Thats about the cars is it not? If i hate something, i state why, i don't just post and wait for someone to call me out on it to explain myself. :blush:
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