TRUCK ENGINES

dodgeram7dodgeram7 Member Posts: 55
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Chevy 4.8-5.3 V-8/Dodge 5.2-5.9 V-8/Ford 4.6-5.4
V-8/Toyota 4.7 V-8/ please give any facts about
these engines that you know. Anything you say about
any of these engines goes in this room.
If you wish to talk about old truck motors go
ahead Chevy 5.0-5.7/Ford 5.0-5.8.
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  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Cummins doesn't count cause it isn't made by dodge...
  • dodgeram7dodgeram7 Member Posts: 55
    Please explain why Dodge motors are worthless.
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    being a little negative lately huh? BTW dodge
    motors are'nt that bad, seen one used on a
    portable cement mixer just the other day.


    ...red
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    better yet, hows bout u tell us what's so good
    about the dodge motor.

    there oby, that'll shut this guy up. LOL

    ...red
  • dodgeram7dodgeram7 Member Posts: 55
    You are always putting you nose where it does not belong so get out of this room please comments like that are not put of this room.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The 318 and the 360 are 30 year old technology. I had the 318 in my '72 Satellite. While they are ok during those periods it is outdated by todays technology. Without getting into gory details, I believe that they are the reason why Dodge isn't selling many trucks...even as cheap as they are now. The motors don't have the hp and torque ratings...and suck gas like no tommorrow. The 4.7 shows promise and time will tell on their reliability. Now if they could only improve on those trans or get someone else to build it like the Cummins...my opinion..
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    get out u say. now thats a reply i'd expect out
    of a 12 yr. old. what's the matter, you obviously

    know nothing of engines or you'd have given us
    something to talk about. another useless topic
    created by a 12 yr. old. WHAT A HOOT.

    ...red ha ha ha
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    but i can't post in here anymore. jr. has ordered
    me to stay out. i'm gonna go somewhere and cry
    myself to sleep.

    ...red ha ha ha
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    hey obyone, was'nt the 318 use in the dodge dart
    police version. i could swear it was hopped up or
    somethin for the cops. my friend had one that was
    sold at auction and remember we use to run the
    stink out of it. never changed oil from 70,000
    all the way to when the tranny let go. it had
    130,000 and still did'nt use oil.

    ...red
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    the 360 with hd suspension and trans...looked like a volare....
  • jaijayjaijay Member Posts: 162
    seen an old re-run of One Adam 12.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    ..(which are getting old) and the Cummins....nothing else. One design sells trucks after 30 years of slug sales...and now they are King?...they are still miles behind Chevy and Ford for sales...

    No standard 4 wheel ABS...rear head restraints...small ext. cab like Ford..(even the mid 90's chevy's had more room than todays Ford and Dodge)...and them poor engines...they have much less torque and HP for what dispacement they are compared to the others...and they call them Magnums?...oh well...someone believes it...and then there is the age old Dodge being known for weak trannys..

    do you want to continue?

    - Tim
  • rassom1rassom1 Member Posts: 35
    The torque on the Chevy engines is nothing to write home about. They gave them horsepower but forgot to give them torque. Anyways Dodge's new 5.7 will blow them all away.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    You should tell us what engines you are comparing. (obviously the Chevy 4.8, vs????)

    GM couldn't sell more trucks just because they manufacture more trucks, there has to be a demand for them. Same goes for Ford.

    GM can top those numbers and get better mileage with fewer emmisions also.
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    The test engines were the biggest engines available in a 1/2 ton 4x4. The GM 5.3, the dodge 5.9, ford 5.4.
    I am not going to argue that which truck is better or anything like that they are all great trucks (for $30000 they better be) but if dodge can get more power to the ground with a 30 year old drivetrain imagine what the new ram will be like. After reading the article I was surprised at the dyno numbers myself. The manufacture ratings for the GM's are higher but power to the ground is way lower.
    I know I cannot speak for the rest of the country but up here in Alaska the demand for Rams is very high. Every truck that comes in to the dealer is sold very quickly.
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    about as exciting as topic 2101 and 2103.

    what point is there in arguing over what engine
    is stronger,weaker, or whatever. a more
    constuctive forum would relate to how to improve
    the already great designs that are out there.

    ...red
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    numbers around all ya want...Dodge sales are wayyyy behind.....

    A 5.7 VS a 5.3...I betcha even though the Chevy is smaller it will be close....how about the Older chevy 5.7 VS Dodge new 5.7......My cash is on the Chevy...

    Let's get closer here....6.0 VS 5.9.....that would be funny to see....Dodge would get their butt wiped...

    - Tim
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    i read the test a while back, and they were surprising. But the thing that confused me is that if the Chevy numbers on the chassis dyno were so low, and the Chevy engines are so over-rated, why did Motortrends pull-off test, with X,xxx lbs in the bed show the Chevy outpull the Ford by .1 sec and outpull the Dodge by almost a full second? Same organization.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    Those are the Comic books....that's why I don't read them anymore...

    - Tim
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    everyones just gettin into a big arguement over
    which is better. great forum you got started here
    dodge7.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    notice that dodgeram7 is not even around. I think his Mom may have taken away computer privileges over the weekend for abuse during the weekdays...

    Dean
  • nrd525nrd525 Member Posts: 109
    I don't know what was wrong with the TT/MT Chevy numbers.I think either there was a problem they didn't know about,or there was something set wrong on the dyno's computer.
    My 00 Sierra 5.3 ext cab Z71 ran 15.72 at 86.5 (other pass was 15.82,it was hotter then the first one)MPH last week!Stone stock with 2500 miles on it.My friend's 99 Ram QC *5.9* 2WD ran 16.3 the week before!!!His has 3.92 gears,mine has 3.73.Not even fair!I have taller tires too!!Even he admits my truck blows his away in everything except two things.One:Looks(I agree)and Front seat comfort(well,he got me there too!)The gas mileage isn't even close,I get almost 2MPG better than he does!If the Dodge had even close to the power the GM trucks had,I might have bought one.But they don't,so It was an easy choice.

    Ford's?? I DON'T DO FORDS!!My dog will "Ford" on command.He likes my forends 99 F150 to "Ford" on!
    All I have to say is "Ford,King,Ford!!!"There he goes....
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    nerd525,

    What does your dog do when he's got the "chevies"?
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    When he gets the Chevies he's gotta wipe his Silverado!
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Thats only if the Ford dog hasn't kicked his butt already! There is not a stock 5.3l made that puts as much power to the ground as a stock 5.4l. GM highly over-rates their numbers.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I think GM did overrate the numbers on the '99, but the 2000 models have better acceleration figures it seems, so far. Quicker even than 5.4L. Don't know if this is true for all of them, or even if this matters.

    The one race I had with a late model F150, I won with my '99 Silverado and 4.10 axle. Don't know what he was packin' though.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Back to your post a long time ago. In the article that showed the Chevy to be lacking in actual power to the rear wheels, the Ford ate it's lunch. In another test, yes by the same organization, but with different set-ups on the trucks, the Chevy did win in the tow-test, barely, and it had 4.10's to the Ford's 3.55's. Not really fair. I figured the Ford must have a significantly stronger engine to keep up with that kind of disadvantage in the gearing.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Axle gearing is a big part of towing and any "off-the-line" run. 4.10 is significantly lower than the 3.55.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    I thought they were same gear. i'll look when i get time.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Bigsnag
    The Chevrolet truck had the 3.73 gear, NOT the 4.10.

    http://trucktrend.com/feb99/4x4/4x4_f.html

    Also, it looks like the Ford has taller transmission gears, so all gears equal, the 5.4 probably would outpull the 5.3.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Yeah in that article, the Ford had 3.55's and the Chevy had 3.73's. The Ford won, pretty handily. When I was talking about the article with 4.10 gears, I was referring to an article in Motor Trend, the cousin of Truck Trend. The article was a shoot-out between the Big 3 and the Tundra. It was basically them trying to confirm why the picked the Toy as "Truck of the Year". I have the mag. I'll look up the month, it was around April if I remember correctly. Anyway, back to the story, in THAT article the Chevy did outrun the Ford, barely, but the Chevy had 4.10 gear to the Ford 3.55's.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    did you read the article??

    chevy w/ load 17.0 sec 1/4 mile
    Ford w/ load 17.1 sec 1/4 mile

    who won???

    :)
  • nrd525nrd525 Member Posts: 109
    For some reason,he ignores my truck,he ignores a friend's Tahoe,another friend's Lincoln Town Car(don't understand that!),but seems fascinated by the two F150's that other friend's have,and always wants to smell behind the front wheels,and then he "Fords".I THINK it might have something to do with the brake pads.Neither of them have dogs.Oh,I forgot he will also "Cavalier!"(But you have to use the "F" word to get him to do it.)
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Yes, I read the article. In fact I have the actual magazine. I really don't consider 1/4 mile times pertinent when it comes to trucks. 0-60 or 0-70 is a little more useful information.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    I agree, Bigsnag. Point is, the Ford didn't win 'hands down'. 0-60 and 0-70 loaded times were identical, and the Chevrolet nudged it in the 40-70 'passing' test.

    This maybe a whole different arguement, but Ford with a lower gear ratio, MIGHT not totally whip up. The 5.3 and 5.4 are totally different engines in concept, the 5.3 is built to spin fast, the 5.4--not necessarily. This is all extrapolation because Ford does not offer a 4.10, but it could be slower with a 4.10 gear than it is with a 3.73 because the 4.10 keeps it in the high rpm range longer, which is not where the Ford excels at. The GMs are rated at 19 mpg hwy with 4.10 gears, and people on this BB are reporting that!

    So where is the penalty? There isn't one, for either truck. Both trucks seem specifically geared for their respective engines strengths.

    If the Chevy pulls 12.5 sec loaded 0-60 w/ a 3.73 gear and gets 18 mpg, and the Ford pulls 12.5 sec loaded 0-60 w/ a 3.55 gear and gets 18 mpg, doesn't everyone win? [except Dodge ;)]
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