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  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The reason that I mention the A4 and CLK is that they are also 4 seat convertibles.
    The people looking at the C70 have them on the list as well.
    More so than the SLK, XLR, SC430, and Eos. The other current Hardtop convertibles.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,662
    Ok, fair enough. What about Saab?

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Not even in the picture here.
    PHX isn't a good market for SAAB.
  • In my own case, our initial search criteria was for a four-seat convertible. The long list covered a lot of price range, and a lot of wildly-divergent cars: Mustang GT, Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder, Toyota Solara, Pontiac G6, Volvo C70, Saab 9-3, BMW 3-series, Audi A4 Cab., VW Eos. We had a sort of unofficial out-the-door price cap of $50,000, so that left out the Mercedes CLK, and definitely excluded the BMW 6-series convertible.

    We decided that we definitely liked the idea of a retractable hard-top, so the short list became the G6, Eos, C70, and the sole rag-top in the short list, the A4. At that time we didn't know about the new BMW 3-series, so it was only the old model. The G6 got ruled out first, for being (to us) a little plastic-y on the inside, although I like the exterior styling, and it would have saved us a lot of money. If the A4 had a retractable hardtop, I think I might have gone in that direction, but the overall package of the C70 won. (The Eos was also very nice, and some aspects of it are arguably better than the C70, but we liked the C70's styling much better. My wife was also bothered by how much the top operation made the car bounce and juggle, while the roof was in motion.)

    The new BMW also looks very nice to me, but maybe not enough for what I think the price difference will be. In any case, my wife is the primary driver for our C70 (although I'm driving whenever we're both in the car), and she prefers the C70 styling to the BMW. At most, we are probably only driving the car at "seven tenths", and so FWD is not a real deterrent.
  • redbuzzredbuzz Posts: 57!id=.59cada8b

    Found this video - appears to be official BMW footage for eventual use in promos. I think it's a pretty car with the top down, although the back end doesn't really look like a bimmer to me. There is very little footage of the car top up and for good reason, I think. The top looks like one of those bulky hard shell replacements you had to have your friends help you put on in the fall when the drop top season was over. In my opinion, the C70 is a lot more attractive top up than the BMW, and more dynamic top down.
  • lemennlemenn Posts: 89
    I really don't like the BMW.

    The rear of the car is ugly, the shape of the front seats looks bulky, the shape of the back seats looks unconfortable.

    The only thing I would maybe like to have is the front seat belt system which again looks ugly but seems practical on this kind of cars.

    So no regret for me, I just did a 360 miles trip the last 24 hours (mostly expressways) with my C70 and it was like a dream, cruise control + music relatively at high volume, heating seat on level 1, A/C on automatic, this is the perfect car for me and I like the look of everybody looking at the car when I pass them. They must think: "What is this car I never saw before?" I really feel like a star...
  • cuccicucci Posts: 49
    You ARE a star!!! A star to this forum!!!
  • I agree. I love the C70. The lines, the style, the ride... I love the fact that the number being produced is limited (unlike the BMWs). The limited number will keep the re-sale value up and will keep the C70 unique among cars on the road. It really is a "superstar"!
  • lemennlemenn Posts: 89
    Should I start a fan's club?
  • blamb3blamb3 Posts: 41
    Just reporting back in after an absence of several months. Have had my manual tranny C70 for 4 months in Wisc. so the top has been down twice. Agree with volvomax, the C70 is fast enough for my use....also....we have had nothing but snow and more snow all winter......the front wheel drive on the C70 has cruised through the snow....I'm amazed at it's ability. This is a great car in every way. I've owned Saabs and Audis....this is a much better car.
  • jecklesjeckles Posts: 87
    The new BMW is pretty nice looking. However, we own a 1997 328 convertible and my wife is ready for something new/different.

    I consider the two options similar enough to evaluate, but our evaluation eliminated the BMW. Keep in my our evaluation was subjective.

    The BMW favors performance (RWD, better weight distribution, etc.). The Volvo favors touring (fwd, softer suspension, etc.). I was able to autocross with our current BMW, but I will not autocross the Volvo... this makes my wife happy. I now have a different car for autocrossing.

    Our C70 will be my wife's daily driver and for a daily driver, this car is absolutely fabulous. The versatility of the fwd helped sway our decision.

    Also a minor influence was my mood towards BMW has soured over the years. Our car has been excellent, but the dealers were mediocre and the new styles are not to my liking.

    The BMW is certainly more competition for the C70 and Eos. I don't see how it can't be.

    I believe competition is good for both owners and buyers. Keeps the automakers on their game. Nothing is more irritating than a dealer who thinks they are the only ones with what you want...
  • For those who are interested, the US BMW web site (, then pick US) now has the "build your car" feature running for the new 3-series convertible, with retractable hard-top.

    MSRP for the 230hp 328i conv. is $43,200, so about $4K over a C70. MSRP for the 300hp 335i is $49,100, or about $10K over (of course you are getting a much more powerful engine with the 335).

    I did a "build it" exercise, to put options on that were more or less like my C70, and the 328i stayed $4-5k more expensive, and broke the magic $50k barrier. The 335i didn't go up quite as much, as some more things are standard on it, ending up $8-9k more than my C70.

    Bottom line for me is that seeing the pricing of the BMW has reinforced that I made a good decision in getting the C70. Moreover, with the price difference between the 328i and 335i being only around $4k (when optioned equivalently), I would have a hard time resisting the temptation of the 335i. So practically speaking, getting the C70 saved me $8-9k, not just the $4-5K for the more comparable 328i. (I know that's not logical, but if car buying was just logic we'd all be driving a Toyota Prius.) That said, both BMW models are pretty nicely done.
  • redbuzzredbuzz Posts: 57
    I priced out the BMW too...about $3200 more for the 328i equipped about the same. The BMW has a few things the C70 does not and vice versa. For instance, the BMW does not appear to have the side curtain airbags like the C70 and the Volvo's bi-xenon headlights do not turn with the steering like the BMW (and some other Volvos). Interestingly the 328i is rated at 230 hp vs. the 218 for the C70. About $267 per horse. Both cars are about 3800 lbs.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,662
    RWD. For alot of folks, RWD, extra ponies, AND the propeller badge are easily worth a few extra grand.

    I have no doubt this car will suck alot of C70 sales away from volvo.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    What is alot?
    The C70 isn't going to sell in big numbers anyway.
    It's a niche car.

    There is probably going to be a $7-10,000 difference in price between the C70 and the new bimmer.
    For the true believers, they will pay the extra $$ to drive a bimmer.
    For the undecided, it may be enough to steer them to the Volvo.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,662
    the price difference was just posted. It is between $3k and $4k.

    I don't think the person needs to be a true believer, honestly. If it truly were a $7k difference, that would be a whole other story. But at $3k, I think you'll loose alot of the "undecided" just because of the badge. For an 8% price difference, I think most uninformed shoppers will feel the added cache of the propeller is easily worth it.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • autoeduautoedu Posts: 47
    In a busy downtown area, one restaurant serves German cuisine, another restaurant Swedish specialty. Sure they are in direct competition for your dining pleasure, but both will be busy and prosper with their own clientele.

    The Volvo C70 somehow looks sexier, feels more intelligent, and exudes more elegance than the BMW. Their is something different about the smart, understated beauty of Scandanavian design. Once inside a Volvo there is a peaceful comfort that is relaxingly safe, with everything designed for the driver's well-being. Everything is smooth, simple, functional; from the slim center console to the notoriously comfort of the Volvo seat.

    The BMW, on the other hand, is a marriage between European style and German engineering. The BMW brand is well recognized, its cars excel in performance, but its design come across as too aggressive and flashy for my taste. The interior is busy and overwhelmed with electronics buttons and controls.

    Those who wants to experience the prowness of German engineering will appreciates the performance of BMW.

    For others who appreciates the beauty and comfort of Scandanavian luxury and style will enjoy and feel safe in a Volvo.

    Personally I like the C70. If I want to experience the performance of German-engineering vehicle, I will save another $15K for a Porsche...if I can afford both that Cayman is just as sexy and beautiful as the C70

  • I also think the C70 looks better. But a big difference is FWD vs RWD. If you get snow where you live, the C70 is a hands down winner. And one of the reasons I bought the Volvo. :)
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    I don't see how.
    I just price a 328ic w/ the same equipment as on a $47000 C70 I got up to $56000 on the Bimmer.
    Yes, the base price is close, but BMW really gets you on options.
    Good luck finding a cheap 328ic.
  • flheatflheat Posts: 46
    Scandanavian Luxury ala Buick
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    I cannot rationalize the cost of a C70 that looks like a 10 year old Buick and is not able to compete in drivability to the 3 Series. Even with the higher price of the BMW it is a bargin compared to the C70; those looking for a better bargin will chose a VW Eos at almost 10 grand less than the C70 and better overall performance.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Well,I think everyone who has bought one would disagree w/ you.
    But what do they know? :confuse:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,662
    Wow! Those are so dissimilar that I can't even come up with a strong enough insult that would appropriately describe your eye for style.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • cricket4cricket4 Posts: 94
    I hope that if I ever commit a crime and escape in my C70 that the cop that puts an APB out on me & my car has the same attention to detail as you do. I will be home-free! A Buick!?!!?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,662
    I'm not sure what you're doing. I just tried a comparison by loading up stuff I wouldn't even want. Got to $46k on the volvo and $51k on the bimmer, and the bimmer would have more features than the volvo at that price (for instance, dynamic cruise control, 14-way power seat vs 8-way, and TPMS [does volvo even offer this? i couldn't find it on the website]).

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • tom007tom007 Posts: 40
    If you are serious about the C70 looking like a 10 year old Buick, then I believe you had better go to your Optometrist there in Florida.You have a serious problem recognizing objects and shapes. Thanks for the laugh of the week for me.
  • Didn't you notice that both cars were silver, and had two doors, and four wheels?

    I can see the TV news anchor, reporting live from the scene of a crime:

    "The suspect drove off in a silver two-door coupe, which might have been either a new Volvo C70 or a 10 year-old Buick. Police expect to narrow it down further if the suspect is able to put the top down."
  • It is always amazing to me to see posts that are knocking the brand of car that a forum is about. It is one thing to talk about other brands being nice cars, or competitive alternatives, and/or also appealing to people with different priorities, etc. But what is the point of talking about how bad a Volvo is, in a Volvo forum? I don't think I would bother trying to post "C70's are a much better deal than the new BMW" messages on a BMW forum. (Although perhaps those messages are there, as well.)

    It reminds me of when I was checking out a Mustang forum, becasue I was interested in the new 2005 Mustang. Half of the posts in the forum that was dedicated to the new model were from owners of the old model, who were bashing the "newbie" owners of the new model for being "not real Mustang enthusiasts".
  • cricket4cricket4 Posts: 94
    Well said. Some of these posts are just made to incite (trolling). Why feed the trolls, right? I suppose it would be best not to even respond.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,662
    I agree with you ... in those cases.

    However, this is technically a comparison board. So I expect some BMW fans will bash the volvo and vice versa.

    Of course, that still doesn't excuse the buick post. ;b

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

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