I would have to agree with the advice. I did sit in virtually everything on the market when I was at the Chicago auto show except the Veracruz and the minivans. The only third row seats that were comfortable for me were the Expedition, Mercedes GL, Nissan Armada/Infinity twin, and the Suburban/Yukon XL. The Tahoe & Yukon were worthless in the 3rd row. The Acadia/Outlook were not that great in the 3rd row and even the 2nd row as the 2nd row seats were too low. The Freestyle was OK in the 2nd row but not the 3rd, as was the Mazda CX9. I am 6'4" and 210# and have issue with many vehicles leg and head room.
I would highly recommend that those to whom the 3rd row comfort is particularly important, rent the vehicle for a day or two before purchase. That is the only way you can get a good feeling of how comfortable or uncomfortable it is before you invest that much money in the car you'll be using for several years. A few minutes in a test drive or at a car show or dealership is not enough to make a good assessment of comfort. I had test driven the Acadia four times at different dealerships and wasn't certain about my future purchase until I rented one for the weekend.
On a related note, I recall that in one forum, a 6'3" gentleman reported being adequately comfortable after riding in the third row seat of the Acadia. Each purchaser needs to take an extended drive to be sure about any of the models.
Not sure it's fair to use your assessment of 3rd row seating due to your above average height(the designers aren't making the 3rd row's comfortable for peep's like you and unless you are transporting a basketball team regularly...), at least you disclosed your height though. Also, I would not expect to many people you may be riding to expect you to sit back there short of some very extenuating circumstances. I'm 6'2, my dad 6'3 and we were comfortable in our FS back there for the test fit and have had passengers back there with no complaints.
"I will be regularly using the third row for the 5th passenger. Being able to provide my teenage daughter with some breathing room from her brothers using the captains chairs, and providing some separation between the 2 boys by putting one in the 2nd row and one in the 3rd, is priceless to me."
I should point out that you can do those exact same configurations with a Freestyle and second row captains chairs.
Enjoy your Acadia. Be sure and come back and post some real world MPG numbers...
Not sure why we should put much stock in that advice given that you haven't sat in any of the new CUVs?
You saw that I have an Explorer right? The CUVs compared here have third rows nearly identical to the one I have. In fact, the third row of the Explorer has often been praised by reviewers for being roomier and more comfortable than most others in the class (before the CUV craze mind you). I have seen the third rows of the Acadia and CX-9 up close and personal (dealer left the doors open for us "Sunday shoppers" to take advantage of ) and they aren't really all that different from that of my Explorer. An IRS does wonders for things like that.
Having said that, none of them are built for comfort but rather convenience. If you need to put average sized adults back there for longer trips then get something bigger. Still just my opinion but I'd wager it's in line with the majority's opinion.
I should also note that we bought the Explorer over a larger SUV because we do not need to put adults back there too often. We've owned it for 13 months now and have had adults back there a total of 3 times, the longest trip being 30 mins. No one has complained yet. Since two small children occupy the second row, they have to be taken out of the equation to put people back there unless we're willing to play musical car seats. Which we're not. :P
- Freestyle or Pacifica (too small) - Minivan (have had one for 10 years and loved it, but don't need one for the next 10 years) - Acadia/Outlook/Enclave (these appear to be the "Goldilocks" ones for us - just right)
I agree with post 820...in your configuration, you won't get more room in the Acadia. In fact, you'll get LESS legroom and only a little more cargo space with one of the 3rd row seats folded versus one of the Freestyle's 3rd row seats.
I should point out that you can do those exact same configurations with a Freestyle and second row captains chairs.
Enjoy your Acadia. Be sure and come back and post some real world MPG numbers...
Why are Freestyle owners so defensive? I actually like the Freestyle - I actually think the interior of it is much more comfortable than the CX-9. The Acadia just meets my needs better. I want more cargo space with the seats folded down.
I couldn't care less that your Freestyle gets better MPG that my future Acadia. No matter what CUV I choose, it's going to give me better than the real world 15 MPG I'm getting in my 10 year-old van. You don't need to wait for real world MPG numbers on the Acadia from me (you'll be waiting awhile since I'm not in the market until summer or fall). There's an entire thread devoted to it on another forum (no I can't post the forum name - already had my hand slapped once here for doing that).
I agree with post 820...in your configuration, you won't get more room in the Acadia. In fact, you'll get LESS legroom and only a little more cargo space with one of the 3rd row seats folded versus one of the Freestyle's 3rd row seats.
Our family will have plenty of legroom in the Acadia, and I'll have a LOT more cargo room when I need to fold all the seats down.
Haha, if you take the incentives on the Accord loaded now (w/o NAVI), most are going for around $24k. Still sounds like a good deal on the Acadia, but mind you, good deals are to be had on the Accords since this is the fifth and final year for this iteration. $750 factory cash is available on them, putting sale prices way below invoice.
Tired of arm-chair test driver's spouting incorrect numbers, falsehoods and bias opinions for no good reason other than to mis-inform and more often than not never have been to a ford dealer to look at yet alone drive/own one. Not sure of their agenda as it's not meant as discussion, more often than not it's just troll's for troll's sake and as this thread is cross shopped around edmund's it's easy for people to come b!tch and complain about it. Enjoy your acadia when you finally get it, it seems like gm put the 2years of coming late to the cuv party to good use.
Seeing how defensive Freestyle owners are reminds me of hippies defending their VW microbuses. Let's ignore the fact that the Freestyle is a sales failure. Let's ignore the fact that it and every other Ford has HVAC and electric controls from the 1980s. Let's even ignore the fact that it has an already obsolete chassis, not a great fuel advantage considering its lesser weight, and looks like a station wagon (which is precisely what 90% of the prospective buyers of crossovers on this forum want to avoid). As a Honda Pilot owner, I'm not going to throw in your face that Hondas are this and that simply b/c you don't have my car. Get over it, be civil, and contribute in WORTHWHILE ways to forums!
Our family will have plenty of legroom in the Acadia,
That's good. I was just pointing out that the Freestyle has greater legroom, but you're right, with ALL the seats folded, the Acadia has more space inside. So if you want max space inside with all the seats folded, then the Acadia wins, but if the priority is for max space for 5 adults, then the Freestyle will give you greater space for the passengers and about the same space for their luggage.
There's nothing defensive about this post. I'm just responding to the comment about the Freestyle being too "small," since "small" is a subjective term. Stating facts/measurement isn't being defensive. Using terms relating to "style" are purely subjective, so I don't comment on those...to each his own. And just because sales figures are poor, doesn’t mean that the vehicle is poor.
Anyway, people can make these comments all they want and I won’t respond, but if I hear incorrect facts then I’ll post what is correct. And my other car is a Honda.
I don't really care if the Freestyle is a "sales failure", if in fact it is. Ford is responsible for that. They didn't advertise it and the dealers don't stock it or push it. For and the dealers are/were set up to sell trucks and suv's. They don't make enough on a freestyle. This is irrelevant to the facts of whether the vehicle is good or not, etc. Your statement about the hvac and electric controls are factually wrong. My freestyle has automatic climate control that is borrowed from either volvo or jaguar. It is state of the art, similar to the land rovers I've tried. Also, my rear climate controls are separate, state of the art, and also integrated into the front display and auto system. Strike two. Personally, I like the freestyle because it DOES look like a station wagon, and also sort of like an suv too. I won't drive a mini-van, so the freestyle is perfect for me.
I certainly intend to check out the new Taurus x when it comes out this summer. I drive a Dodge Magnum now and love the wagon look it has.(My wife does not care for it, btw.) The 340 HP isn't bad either! But, with the new engine the Taurus x will be a winner for many in my book. Since I don't have to ride in the 3rd row, it would work for my purposes if I decide I need the 3rd row. I am going to go drive an Acadia this afternoon hopefully as my GMC dealer called yesterday saying he had gotten his first one in. I can hardly wait. It is truly amazing to me that there are so many fine vehicles out there now to choose from depending on personal style and usage needs. I can remember a time when there was one, maybe two models that I would even want to consider. The automotive world has come a long way and we are all better off for it!
Does anyone know if the new Freestyle- the Taurus-X, will have the new Synch electronics package that Ford is developing with Microsoft. Also, I am so attached to the touchpad on my current Taurus station wagon, that it alone is almost enough to swing me to buying another Ford. I wonder why other manufacturers don't offer keypads.
I'd love to have keypads on my cars. My wife called at 5 last night wanting to know where the hide-a-key was since she couldn't find her carkeys. She figured they were locked in the car (turned out they were hidden in her baobab bag the whole time).
The hide-a-key routine saved me a trip to town with her spare keys, but crawling under the rear bumper to grab the spare key isn't a lot of fun.
Yeah, but thats what scares me - I really don't want the last iteration on the current platform - its essentially already absolete.
I am considering the 2008 Accord to replace my other vehicle though - I would not mind paying close to the current sticker price for what I saw pictures of at the Chicago auto show, esp if it is more powerful and efficient than the current generation. I just didn't want to pay anywhere near that for the current model (and frankly, I was not aware of the incentives - I priced one on Honda's site and it came to 33K the way I wanted it...you can really get them loaded w/o NAV for 24K?
I just noticed that Edmunds has a new Road Test (not the first drive) up for the CX-9. Interestingly, they tested a Sport rather than one of the high dollar models. I took a few minutes and did some comparisons between it and some of the road tests from other CUV's in this forum as well as Sante Fe since the Veracruz hasn't been tested yet.
Some things that jumped out at me. According to Edmunds:
The Freestyle has less space behind the third row, counter to what seems to be the thought here The CX-9 has better acceleration than all other vehicle in the group (save the VC, not tested) and including the Sante Fe...hp/torque/curb weight indicate that the CX-9 and VC acceleration should be similar Handling and braking was pretty much equal or better than others in the group (VC yet to be seen) As quiet or quieter than the others
This is really interesting considering that this was a Sport with the more narrow and higher profile tires.
In all, it was a fairly positive review and dove-tailed with most of my feelings after driving the Acadia, CX-9, Pilot and Santa Fe (poor man's VC?) and looking at the Freestyle (also drove the MDX...got one now so it's on my list)
I think at this point the CX-9 might be what I end up with followed by a new MDX if I decide I can stand the (lack of) space. Need to see a VC Limited before giving it consideration...I was underwhelmed by the base model.
Well, I didn't actually mean to be defensive. I was just noting that those same configurations are available with the Freestyle, and I am interested in the real world MPG of the Acadia. It would be of interest to have the actual MPG posted in this forum, which comes up in a Freestyle search, rather than in just the Acadia forum. I don't plan to visit that forum, but this one is on my list.
This forum is about comparing the vehicles, which would include MPG...
"Anyway, people can make these comments all they want and I won’t respond, but if I hear incorrect facts then I’ll post what is correct. And my other car is a Honda."
Well said. My cars are a 2002 Civic, a 2006 Freestyle, and a 1987 Corolla FX.
"The hide-a-key routine saved me a trip to town with her spare keys, but crawling under the rear bumper to grab the spare key isn't a lot of fun."
Well, I suppose you could lock the spare key in the glove box of the Freestyle, and then use the number pad on the driver door to open the car (SEL and Limited only, sorry to all the SE owners).
"The Freestyle has less space behind the third row, counter to what seems to be the thought here"
We covered this a while back. The Edmund's numbers do not match what Ford lists. The actual space behind the third row is a bit over 20 Cu ft (including the "well"), about 17 if you somehow don't include the "well"). I don't have any idea how one could not include the "well" in which the seats fold flat into the floor - it is usable space, and is very convenient for holding shopping bags upright & etc.
I hear what you say, but no two entities measure things the same way. Your only hope is that one entity will consistently measure the same way. Also, It looks like edmunds isn't including the 2 cubic feet or so of space under the door on the CX-9 (pretty much all of these vehicles have that space) so either way it tends to even up the space back there. After all, the little door on these vehicles comes out...you just lose the hidden storage when you remove it. Personally, I like the hidden area in my MDX - perfect for a few tools, the hitch insert and a small jump starter should my wife get stranded with a dead battery. In the Freestyle, that's either out in the open or in a bag that might be inviting for a someone to break-in and grab.
Check out the link above. Accord EXL V6s WITH Navigation for $25k. I've seen one report of an internet manager offering $1,500 under invoice, with other reports of $24k EXL V6 w/o Navigation.
How did you hit $33k? That is the STICKER price for a Hybrid with Navigation. There's not a Honda on the lot that should go for sticker price at this point (maaaybe the Fit or CR-V, but that's it.
Well, I suppose you could lock the spare key in the glove box of the Freestyle, and then use the number pad on the driver door to open the car (SEL and Limited only, sorry to all the SE owners).
You can always have the dealer install one for a few bucks if you want. You can add it to any Ford vehicle save for the Mustang IIRC.
Personally, I like the hidden area in my MDX - perfect for a few tools, the hitch insert and a small jump starter should my wife get stranded with a dead battery.
The difference is that with the Freestyle, the well behind the 3rd row is so big that the 3rd row seats fold back into it...sort of like a minivan. I don't believe that any other CUV has a 3rd row that flips and folds minivan-like other than the Freestyle. I believe the 3rd row for other CUVs here have the 3rd row seat back simply fold forward. Maybe that's why the Freestyle is only 68" high and still has great headroom in all of the rows.
As far has hiding small things, there's space under the 3rd row for hiding small items. How many CUVs listed here have storage space under the 3rd row? There's probably more storage space under the Freestyle's 3rd row as there is in the closed storage bin behind most CUV's 3rd row.
Maybe that's why the Freestyle is only 68" high and still has great headroom in all of the rows. That's because it's a station wagon. It's the FOrd 500 with an Explorer front. I must say, I do like the thrird row seat well- and all CUV's should do it (the montero SUV does) but I don't like that sub floor. THe one at the Auto show broke. The Freestlye is well rounded-the only thing I really don't like is that in 3 years, they are worth nothing!
Thanks for the link...I will check it out...curious if 24-25K is a rare deal or the norm. For various reasons I was able to get the Acadia at a very low price with little haggle, so that was the choice I made.
I don't remember the detail on the Accord, other than I wanted the V6 with leather, sunroof (which came in a package that made sense), and upgraded sound (and some other minor features.)
I found it funny how Honda options their vehicles different than GM...definitely more "a la carte" for minor options, but their option packages seem to make more sense.
The Accord EX-V6 has NO factory options except transmission choice (no-cost) and NAVI. With NAVI and destination, the car still doesn't hit $30k, so Im not sure how you managed $33k.
A very average price for an EX-V6 Accord non-navi is under $25k. A good price is $24k.
I'll chat with ya about it in an Accord forum if you like (not sure we have too much more to discuss about it, since you have already made a purchase), but I've taken things a bit off topic, and for that I'm sorry to the rest of you!
Maybe that's why the Freestyle is only 68" high and still has great headroom in all of the rows.
The Acadia is about 70" tall, but it has 2" more ground clearance so it works out to be about the same. The ground clearance of the Veracruz is 3" more than the Freestyle, but only 1" taller overall. It beats the Freestyle in 1st and 2nd row headroom. The CX-9 and Veracruz's 3rd row headroom is cut down by the curved back window. They'd probably be better from a headroom standpoint if they were squared off like the Freestyle or Acadia, but they definitely wouldn't have the same look.
"Maybe that's why the Freestyle is only 68" high and still has great headroom in all of the rows. "
Most people do not realize it when looking at the FS, but Ford pulled a fast one to increase headroom in the third row. The rear 1/3 of the is about 2 inches higher than the front. Ford cleverly mounted the roof rails in such a way that it appears that the entire roof is level; it isn't.
"The Accord EX-V6 has NO factory options except transmission choice (no-cost) and NAVI. With NAVI and destination, the car still doesn't hit $30k, so Im not sure how you managed $33k."
Perhaps they are speaking of the Accord Hybrid, which goes up to 33K.
but Ford pulled a fast one to increase headroom in the third row. The rear 1/3 of the is about 2 inches higher than the front. Ford cleverly mounted the roof rails in such a way that it appears that the entire roof is level; it isn't.
This is where experience can pay off...remember the station wagons from the 70's?? Some of the domestics did the samething with the roof. The olds Vista cruiser wagon not only had the roofline increase for the second & thrid row but they had glass panels where the roof increased in height with fold down sun visors. Sometimes old is new.
It's official. The Ford Fairlane will apear in closer to production form in the NY autoshow. But it's a little confusing where it fits in the line up. I guess this means the FS/TX won't be around too much longer. THough it makes a little sense.
So the Veracruz has .9" more 1st row headroom, .1" more 2nd row, but 2.5" less 3rd row headroom, so while technically correct, I'd rather have the extra 2.5" in the 3rd row and lose the .9" and .1" in the first two rows.
On www.allnewveracruz.com, height with roof rails is listed as 68.9" so I guess you can pick and choose your source.
To each his or her own. I use the 1st and 2nd rows far more than I will ever use the 3rd so I might as well buy a good looking vehicle with a decent 3rd row rather than a very plain vehicle with no style and a great 3rd row. The Acadia doesn't really interest me either because to me, in Red, it could be mistaken for a brick. The Veracruz really has everything I need without being understyled or oversized.
The Acadia does look a little true SUV, but it is very boldly styled- not Lexus copy cat style like the v.cruz. It also looks minivanish-the look I wouldn't want. But if you want a midsize SUV that's good for two rows, it's a good choice-as the Acadia is essentially a minvan in a good looking SUV package.
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Not sure why we should put much stock in that advice given that you haven't sat in any of the new CUVs? :confuse:
On a related note, I recall that in one forum, a 6'3" gentleman reported being adequately comfortable after riding in the third row seat of the Acadia. Each purchaser needs to take an extended drive to be sure about any of the models.
JMHO.
I should point out that you can do those exact same configurations with a Freestyle and second row captains chairs.
Enjoy your Acadia. Be sure and come back and post some real world MPG numbers...
You saw that I have an Explorer right? The CUVs compared here have third rows nearly identical to the one I have. In fact, the third row of the Explorer has often been praised by reviewers for being roomier and more comfortable than most others in the class (before the CUV craze mind you). I have seen the third rows of the Acadia and CX-9 up close and personal (dealer left the doors open for us "Sunday shoppers" to take advantage of
Having said that, none of them are built for comfort but rather convenience. If you need to put average sized adults back there for longer trips then get something bigger. Still just my opinion but I'd wager it's in line with the majority's opinion.
I should also note that we bought the Explorer over a larger SUV because we do not need to put adults back there too often. We've owned it for 13 months now and have had adults back there a total of 3 times, the longest trip being 30 mins. No one has complained yet. Since two small children occupy the second row, they have to be taken out of the equation to put people back there unless we're willing to play musical car seats. Which we're not. :P
- Minivan (have had one for 10 years and loved it, but don't need one for the next 10 years)
- Acadia/Outlook/Enclave (these appear to be the "Goldilocks" ones for us - just right)
I agree with post 820...in your configuration, you won't get more room in the Acadia. In fact, you'll get LESS legroom and only a little more cargo space with one of the 3rd row seats folded versus one of the Freestyle's 3rd row seats.
Enjoy your Acadia. Be sure and come back and post some real world MPG numbers...
Why are Freestyle owners so defensive? I actually like the Freestyle - I actually think the interior of it is much more comfortable than the CX-9. The Acadia just meets my needs better. I want more cargo space with the seats folded down.
I couldn't care less that your Freestyle gets better MPG that my future Acadia. No matter what CUV I choose, it's going to give me better than the real world 15 MPG I'm getting in my 10 year-old van. You don't need to wait for real world MPG numbers on the Acadia from me (you'll be waiting awhile since I'm not in the market until summer or fall). There's an entire thread devoted to it on another forum (no I can't post the forum name - already had my hand slapped once here for doing that).
Our family will have plenty of legroom in the Acadia, and I'll have a LOT more cargo room when I need to fold all the seats down.
Tired of arm-chair test driver's spouting incorrect numbers, falsehoods and bias opinions for no good reason other than to mis-inform and more often than not never have been to a ford dealer to look at yet alone drive/own one. Not sure of their agenda as it's not meant as discussion, more often than not it's just troll's for troll's sake and as this thread is cross shopped around edmund's it's easy for people to come b!tch and complain about it. Enjoy your acadia when you finally get it, it seems like gm put the 2years of coming late to the cuv party to good use.
But, of course, that is one of the reasons why so many participate in a such a comparison topic.
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That's good. I was just pointing out that the Freestyle has greater legroom, but you're right, with ALL the seats folded, the Acadia has more space inside. So if you want max space inside with all the seats folded, then the Acadia wins, but if the priority is for max space for 5 adults, then the Freestyle will give you greater space for the passengers and about the same space for their luggage.
There's nothing defensive about this post. I'm just responding to the comment about the Freestyle being too "small," since "small" is a subjective term. Stating facts/measurement isn't being defensive. Using terms relating to "style" are purely subjective, so I don't comment on those...to each his own. And just because sales figures are poor, doesn’t mean that the vehicle is poor.
Anyway, people can make these comments all they want and I won’t respond, but if I hear incorrect facts then I’ll post what is correct. And my other car is a Honda.
You should be pointing the finger at yourself. All you do is demean the other guy's car.
Also, I am so attached to the touchpad on my current Taurus station wagon, that it alone is almost enough to swing me to buying another Ford. I wonder why other manufacturers don't offer keypads.
The hide-a-key routine saved me a trip to town with her spare keys, but crawling under the rear bumper to grab the spare key isn't a lot of fun.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/Cars/2008taurus/
http://www.syncmyride.com/#/overlay/overlay_vehicles
I am considering the 2008 Accord to replace my other vehicle though - I would not mind paying close to the current sticker price for what I saw pictures of at the Chicago auto show, esp if it is more powerful and efficient than the current generation. I just didn't want to pay anywhere near that for the current model (and frankly, I was not aware of the incentives - I priced one on Honda's site and it came to 33K the way I wanted it...you can really get them loaded w/o NAV for 24K?
Some things that jumped out at me. According to Edmunds:
The Freestyle has less space behind the third row, counter to what seems to be the thought here
The CX-9 has better acceleration than all other vehicle in the group (save the VC, not tested) and including the Sante Fe...hp/torque/curb weight indicate that the CX-9 and VC acceleration should be similar
Handling and braking was pretty much equal or better than others in the group (VC yet to be seen)
As quiet or quieter than the others
This is really interesting considering that this was a Sport with the more narrow and higher profile tires.
In all, it was a fairly positive review and dove-tailed with most of my feelings after driving the Acadia, CX-9, Pilot and Santa Fe (poor man's VC?) and looking at the Freestyle (also drove the MDX...got one now so it's on my list)
I think at this point the CX-9 might be what I end up with followed by a new MDX if I decide I can stand the (lack of) space. Need to see a VC Limited before giving it consideration...I was underwhelmed by the base model.
Well, I didn't actually mean to be defensive. I was just noting that those same configurations are available with the Freestyle, and I am interested in the real world MPG of the Acadia. It would be of interest to have the actual MPG posted in this forum, which comes up in a Freestyle search, rather than in just the Acadia forum. I don't plan to visit that forum, but this one is on my list.
This forum is about comparing the vehicles, which would include MPG...
Well said. My cars are a 2002 Civic, a 2006 Freestyle, and a 1987 Corolla FX.
Well, I suppose you could lock the spare key in the glove box of the Freestyle, and then use the number pad on the driver door to open the car (SEL and Limited only, sorry to all the SE owners).
We covered this a while back. The Edmund's numbers do not match what Ford lists. The actual space behind the third row is a bit over 20 Cu ft (including the "well"), about 17 if you somehow don't include the "well"). I don't have any idea how one could not include the "well" in which the seats fold flat into the floor - it is usable space, and is very convenient for holding shopping bags upright & etc.
Lot's of ways to look at these storage areas.
Check out the link above. Accord EXL V6s WITH Navigation for $25k. I've seen one report of an internet manager offering $1,500 under invoice, with other reports of $24k EXL V6 w/o Navigation.
How did you hit $33k? That is the STICKER price for a Hybrid with Navigation. There's not a Honda on the lot that should go for sticker price at this point (maaaybe the Fit or CR-V, but that's it.
You can always have the dealer install one for a few bucks if you want. You can add it to any Ford vehicle save for the Mustang IIRC.
The difference is that with the Freestyle, the well behind the 3rd row is so big that the 3rd row seats fold back into it...sort of like a minivan. I don't believe that any other CUV has a 3rd row that flips and folds minivan-like other than the Freestyle. I believe the 3rd row for other CUVs here have the 3rd row seat back simply fold forward. Maybe that's why the Freestyle is only 68" high and still has great headroom in all of the rows.
As far has hiding small things, there's space under the 3rd row for hiding small items. How many CUVs listed here have storage space under the 3rd row? There's probably more storage space under the Freestyle's 3rd row as there is in the closed storage bin behind most CUV's 3rd row.
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That's because it's a station wagon. It's the FOrd 500 with an Explorer front. I must say, I do like the thrird row seat well- and all CUV's should do it (the montero SUV does) but I don't like that sub floor. THe one at the Auto show broke. The Freestlye is well rounded-the only thing I really don't like is that in 3 years, they are worth nothing!
I don't remember the detail on the Accord, other than I wanted the V6 with leather, sunroof (which came in a package that made sense), and upgraded sound (and some other minor features.)
I found it funny how Honda options their vehicles different than GM...definitely more "a la carte" for minor options, but their option packages seem to make more sense.
A very average price for an EX-V6 Accord non-navi is under $25k. A good price is $24k.
I'll chat with ya about it in an Accord forum if you like (not sure we have too much more to discuss about it, since you have already made a purchase), but I've taken things a bit off topic, and for that I'm sorry to the rest of you!
The Acadia is about 70" tall, but it has 2" more ground clearance so it works out to be about the same. The ground clearance of the Veracruz is 3" more than the Freestyle, but only 1" taller overall. It beats the Freestyle in 1st and 2nd row headroom. The CX-9 and Veracruz's 3rd row headroom is cut down by the curved back window. They'd probably be better from a headroom standpoint if they were squared off like the Freestyle or Acadia, but they definitely wouldn't have the same look.
Most people do not realize it when looking at the FS, but Ford pulled a fast one to increase headroom in the third row. The rear 1/3 of the is about 2 inches higher than the front. Ford cleverly mounted the roof rails in such a way that it appears that the entire roof is level; it isn't.
Perhaps they are speaking of the Accord Hybrid, which goes up to 33K.
Don't understand your comments, I don't read the Accord forum.
This is where experience can pay off...remember the station wagons from the 70's?? Some of the domestics did the samething with the roof. The olds Vista cruiser wagon not only had the roofline increase for the second & thrid row but they had glass panels where the roof increased in height with fold down sun visors. Sometimes old is new.
Wrong...The Veracruz is 71.1" high compared to the Freestyle 68.2 both with roof racks. see specs on below websites, so the Veracruz is 3" taller.
And, according to the Hyundai website, the Veracruz has these interior specs:
Head Room (front/2nd/3rdrow) 40.3 / 39.9 / 36.1
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/veracruz/specs/specs.aspx
Here are the Freestyle's specs:
Head Room (front/2nd/3rdrow) 39.4 / 39.8 / 38.6
http://www.fordvehicles.com/crossovers/freestyle/features/specs/
So the Veracruz has .9" more 1st row headroom, .1" more 2nd row, but 2.5" less 3rd row headroom, so while technically correct, I'd rather have the extra 2.5" in the 3rd row and lose the .9" and .1" in the first two rows.
To each his or her own. I use the 1st and 2nd rows far more than I will ever use the 3rd so I might as well buy a good looking vehicle with a decent 3rd row rather than a very plain vehicle with no style and a great 3rd row. The Acadia doesn't really interest me either because to me, in Red, it could be mistaken for a brick. The Veracruz really has everything I need without being understyled or oversized.