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My measurements were all with the seats all the way down if they were powered. Manual seats usually aren't height adjustable.
So the numbers can be compared, at least roughly.
Any how, my point that the Freestyle's seats are about as high as my van's is on the mark. The AWD vans actually have higher seats.
No surprise that your loaded FS weighs more than the base models, given all the options on a Limited. 4332 lbs is still a little less than par for the class.
I gotta say, though, I seriously doubt a loaded Outlook weighs 5132 pounds. The brochure says 4700-4955, the latter for an XR AWD.
So much for the 800 lb difference. It would be nice if an Outlook owner could get on a scale, but it's more like 600 lbs.
I had an older Acadia teaser brochure, too, but they don't even list curb weight.
Maybe that many numbers won't fit on a printed page.
TX Limited 2008: $31695
Outlook XR 2008: $32095
CX9 Touring 2008: $34290
Slight advantage for the TX over the Outlook. Somehow Mazda believes its intermediary model commands a $2300+ premium over the competition.
Weak dollar, perhaps?
Our local Buick dealers are the only ones applying high pressure for a visit so far. I guess they may not be used to having a desirable product on the lot.
I have access to the S-plan for Ford, GM, and Mazda.
Saturn and Mazda said they would honor the plan even for the 08' models, but the Buick dealers are playing dumb about the availability for the Enclave ("we need to check and get back to you") even though the GM website lists the S-plan price for it.
In any case, since I had my 89 Olds Cutlass bumper put in the back seat by a rear ender I have looked for vehicles where I can sit my 3 kids in the middle row. Both my V70 and FS can do this. The 3rd row is for casual use only to reduce risk. Excessive paranoia - maybe, maybe not but many 3rd rows (some mini vans included) are very close to rear window.
I agree that there would be a concern for the lack of crumple zones when you have the rear head rests nearly touching the rear window.
Let's see, fitzmall.com sells Mazda at no-haggle prices. You don't want to dicker, no hassle, just walk in and pay the internet price. My family has bought 5 cars there, so I know the prices are for real.
CX9 Tourings start at $32,714. That's even with the moonroof and Bose audio package. MSRP on that one is $34,942.
That dealer group doesn't have a Saturn franchise, though they do have Acadias. Just 1 in stock, loaded to the gills at $43,766. Wow, not much discount off the MSRP of $44,135.
Oddly enough, they have 2 Enclaves with bigger discounts. The cheaper one is $35,224, for one that lists at $38,580.
I didn't expect to see Buicks with the biggest discount, and Acadias with the smallest. I almost would have guessed it would be the other way around.
Note: these aren't comparably equipped. Check the site if you want to see what options are included. I just wanted to list a sample of real-world prices to demonstrate that MSRP is not the best way to compare.
More of a rhetorical question, but what is the magic behind selling new vehicles for hundreds bellow invoice in the absence of factory incentives?
For my last purchase I even had the dealer calculate an out the door price and showed up with a Cashier's Check for that exact amount, down to the penny.
They didn't even try to play any games. Painless.
As a point of reference I was able to easily drive through 12+ inches of snow during a storm last winter in my '05 AWD Freestyle. I even was able to drive through about 2.5 feet of the white stuff piled at the end of my driveway courtesy of the local city plows. Unless you are driving over massive boulders up the Rubicon Trail then ground clearance is not an issue with the Freestyle and actually helps it handle better due to its lower center of gravity.
- Chad
I don't think it matters that much either. But it could be important for advertising purposes. Someone might get the wrong idea if they see "The GMC Acadia/ Mazda CX-9. The most capable midsize SUV in its class".
I've always considered the FS to be more of a cross between station wagon and minivan than anything like an SUV. Other than perhaps a few "styling clues" to convince the clueless that it's an SUV.
The GM S-plan had been worthless until the lambdas came out, because their cars tended to go under invoice anyway.
Some dealers ask for a couple of months to deliver the initial batch to customers paying MSRP, but others, like our nearby Saturn and Mazda dealer, honor the plan even on pre-orders for 08 models.
Some 08' Outlooks are already on the lots. Carbon gray looks nice.
According to [ateixeira], if you leave near the DC area, fitzmall.com will beat S-plan/invoice by a few hundred dollars.
Where have you been? You must not own a car. If you did, you'd know that the dealer LOVES you. How else do you explain all the discounts and rebates in your mailbox after two years of ownership?!
Thanks! :shades:
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I wanted to buy another Ford but ended up with an Outlander.
True (if I was interested). But that's not the point. The objective is to get an equilibrium price- The price is the maximum people are willingly pay for the vehicle. That isn't the case. 37g for a limited is a higher starting price than any topline CUV model in its class. No one will pay 37g for a Ford (save Mustang special buyers). Why are FS prices so low? That's all people will pay for them. Why are MDX prices so high? That's what Acura thinks (THINKS) they can geet out of buyers.
Ford is supposed to come out with a CUV Explorer- but in my oppinion, that's too many crossovers. I think the new Escape is a huge improvement, and a very nicce competitor. iI think it totally competes with any other CUV in its class- very well. You could say that it isn't quite as refined as a CRV, but it's pretty close. And if you want refiniment, go get a Mariner.
There is no Mercury counterpart of the Edge.
Yep- Ford's gone mad. For that price, I might as well go for the R class!
Whoa guys! We went over this last week. That "Build a Flex" site is strictly a data gathering tool for Ford and they did the same thing with the Fusion and Edge. NOTHING on that site is final and all of it will change including the prices.
One big reason why you can get the price so high is because the option logic is not functional. For example, you can add a moonroof and the Vista Roof. Since the moonroof is included in the price of the Vista Roof you were able to add a $1000+ option that normally wouldn't be allowed if the other is selected. Juice and I pointed out 2 or 3 of these anomolies and there might be more for all we know.
At that price range, we would also need to toss in the Q7, with its 5000 lbs (they only come AWD) and 20 miles per gallon of premium gas.
Let's see, 40K for a loaded Flex vs. 45K for a Q7...that's a tough decision.
Plus, the Audi Q7 is pretty small inside. Too small to meet the needs of many folks here, I'd venture to guess.
The Flex' interior looks HUGE!
Realistically, an equipped Q7 will cost you $45k and a similarly equipped Flex will run maybe $32k, even less after haggling.
I guess $37k doesn't scare me any more. Edmunds RAV4 was $33k or so. A loaded Expedition can creep in to the $50s.
Again, though, MSRP is meaningless, and people will pay far less, I bet it'll cost $26-33k.
In any case, I would expect pricing to be about $6000 more than a similarly equipped Edge. I think that would put in in line with the rest of the Ford lineup.
Yeah, well that's the reason I built one. I hope Ford gets the message and drops that price. Forget loaded. As I said before, a Ford trimline starting at 37,000?
NO ONE pays that much for even an Expedition (yes you can argue about sticker, but with Ford, you never pay sticker).
Guess you haven't lookd in the paper lately! No- you can't get an Expy toatally loaded for 34, but you can get an Eddie Bauer with heated leather and DVD for around that. A 50g Expey will sell for 12g less.
TX 39g? Didn't I say Ford's lost it?!