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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    First of all I'm not really sure the T/L AWD system does distribute the engine power evenly even on dry pavement. One of the experiments I did was to elevate the RX so all four wheels were off the ground, then I inserted a 1X2 through each wheel so as to block their rotation. As I increased the power level slowly and gently the front 1x2's, one or the other, always broke first. Even with two 1x2's taped together and only single 1x2's in the rear, the front's would always break before the rear.

    And yes, the VSC/TRAC should apply moderate braking to either rear wheel that slips. But it would not do that in any of my static testing, and I have never encountered a roadbed circumstance where the VSC/TRAC took this action.

    Like the ML and the Sequoia, the RXes VSC/TRAC could be used to allocate more torque to the front or back, but for some reason they decided to continue to rely on the non-functional VC for this.

    With regards to the use of TRAC to allocate torque in the front left to right or vice versa, very few vehicles have front LSD, so I suspect that if the T/L TRACX actually ever does this it is very "light fingered", otherwise it might jerk the steering wheel right out of some poor unsuspecting person's hands.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Let's put a quart of "fluid" into a container and then heat the fluid from 72F to 110F and assume the fluid's volume rises by 30%

    FYI: For a typical oil, the (linear) thermal expansion coeffiecient is about 5×10-5/°F. This means that in going from 72 to 110°F, the volume will increase by about 0.6% (factor of 3 required to go from linear to volumetric expansion).

    The 30% number is about 50 times too large.

    Also, I don't see the distinction between "effective viscosity" and "real viscosity." A non-newtonian fluid will respond to shear in exactly the same way whether you call it an "effective" or "non-newtonian" viscosity and it does go up with temperature.

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  • joandeejoandee Member Posts: 3
    What is the "click" noise that occurs when the car moves about 5-10 feet forward? It sounds very much the same as automatic door locks, but it does not lock the doors. The Dealer does not know what it is, so we drove another Highlander, and it did the same thing. Any suggestions?
  • rfhourfhou Member Posts: 47
    My HL does this too, as well as other Toyotas with "floating calipers". I'm not sure what constitutes a floating caliper vs. a "normal?" brake caliper. This is a normal noise.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    So, just what do you teach?

    The next time I'm in Tucson can I give you advance notice and maybe buy you a drink?

    You're obviously 'way ahead of me on this one.

    Regardless of what the volume increase vs temperature is, wouldn't you agree that the fluid pressure increases dramatically as the temperature rises?

    And wouldn't you also agree that it's that pressure that increases the coupling coefficient rather than an "actual" increase in viscosity.

    Talk down to me if you need to, I won't mind, I am well aware that I have lot's to learn and not near enough time to do it in.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I no longer live in Tucson (I'm in Idaho now!) and I teach math (and sometimes physics).

    Also, I do not talk down to anyone!

    Yes, absolutely, the pressure increases with increasing temperature. I wouldn't call it dramatic since the variation is roughly linear over the temperature ranges we're talking about.

    My understanding of "non-newtonian" motor oil is that polymers are added to the oil which unfurl or stretch out when they get hot (up to a limit!) I'd probably agree (at least in a technical sense) that it is the pressure or temperature that causes the polymers to stretch out.

    Those molecules can more easily grab onto and cling to one another when stretched out providing greater viscosity.

    I'll take you up on that drink if you're ever up this way!

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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The Porsche parade is there this year.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I'm in Boise - when's the parade?

    (You are welcome to buy me that drink, lol).

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  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Steve is in Boise - I am in Idaho Falls!

    The odds against two hosts from Idaho showing up in the same Town Hall forum are staggering! Yet, here we are!

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  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Only someone with a user name like yours would have come up with that! ;-)

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  • axelsenusaxelsenus Member Posts: 4
    Is there anyone out there that can tell me an easier way to change the oil filter on my Highlander? It is a 2002 V6 and I had to remove the splash guard at the front of the vehicle to gain access. This is no major problem however it is time consuming.If anyone out there has an other method please let me know!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    On my RX I go about it from the topside. Temporarily remove the horn and the DRL relay assembly.

    With the engine/exhaust COLD of course!
  • tommyg12tommyg12 Member Posts: 158
    I've been told by several "experts" that you should turn off the A/C before shutting off the engine. The reason is that supposedly the a/c compressor stays engaged and causes excessive wear on the starter. However, I've never seen this "tip" published in any automotive document or journal. Any thoughts?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Read posts 5579-80 over on the RX300 board.

    tidester:

    Impecuniousness.

    I haven't bothered to look it up yet, but I'll get around to it yet.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Member Posts: 343
    I think the reason to turn off the A/C before you shut the engine off - is to allow the A/C evaporator fins to dry off - so you wont get mold growth building up - causing a smell.

    I've been doing this the last 12 years - still don't have any bad smells coming from my A/C
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    With nimrod99.


    When your A/C is operating the A/C airflow cooling heat exchanger, evaporator, is kept as close to a freezing temperature level without actually getting there, typically about 34F.


    As the incoming air is cooled flowing over this device much of the airborne moisture, gaseous water, is literally "wicked" from the airflow and condensed on to the cooling vanes of the evaporator itself.


    As the moisture continues to accumulate it will eventually form droplets of moisture heavy enough that gravity will overcome viscosity and the droplets will flow out the condensate drain tube provided for that very purpose.


    But.


    At the evry instant you shut down the A/C system the evaporator is VERY likely to be at 34F and it is also VERY likely to be coated, saturated really, with the thin film of moisture that has not yet gathered enough mass to form droplets and flow away.


    The 92 LS400 A/C evaporator has over 10,000 square inches of horizontally oriented cooling surface and can support about a quart of water in this condensate "state". In one experiment with the LS evaporator saturated in this manner and then placed in a two bay home garage (Seattle eastside) at an average temperature of 56F there was still a pint of water on it after 36 hours.


    So, what does this mean to you?


    If you live in a northern climate, even of high humidity, such as Seattle, you will not likely experience the mold and mildew problem to any great extent. For "lively" growth rates, mold and mildew spores need food (airborne, the blower sucks it in, even with the new pollen filters), water, an absence of light, and sustained periods with the temperature in the range of 55 to 70F.


    Obviously the mold and mildew odor problem will be at its greatest in places like Tucson.


    But those of us in Seattle don't get off scott free. If you note a persistency for your windshield and windows to fog over on the inside on a cool morning or during a cold wintertime drive this is also a result of the evaporator's ability to gather and retain moisture in great abundancy.


    What to do, what to do?


    When you shut down your automotive A/C system your evaporator is at, or very near, 34F (and there might even be enough liquid refrigerant remaining in the A/C system to keep it that way for many minutes). Depending on the ambient temperature (outside in the dry climate and hot Arizona sun, or inside in a cool very humid sub-terrainian garage) it might actually take hours for it's temperature to rise to the level at which the condensate starts to evaporate.


    Back in late 91 shortly after I bought my first lexus, a 92 LS, my initial solution was to park the car until Lexus or myself figured out why it persisted in trying to kill me. By the time the following winter rolled around I had discovered that it was the A/C evaporator's ability to retain inordinate levels of moisture and then start releasing it within no obviosu "cue" to the driver.


    My short term solution was to park it in the garage with the windows and sunroof slightly open each and every night to let the moisture "leave" the cabin as it evaporated during the night.


    Later on I added four 12 volt muffin type "extraction" fans, two in each rear quarter panel, to more quickly remove humid cabin airflow.


    For more detail and verification have a look at:


    http://www.airsept.com/eed.html

  • nimrod99nimrod99 Member Posts: 343
    Forgot to mention...
    I usually turn of the A/C (Leaving the fan on) about 5 minutes before I intend to stop the engine and leave the car.

    Oh - I can imaging how Ford owners deal with that idiotic A/C - Max A/C setting on their control dial. Why doesn't Ford use A/C on-off (ie like Ford in Europe, Australia, Africa etc)
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Regarding your conclusions comparing mildew formation in different areas, I would have thought the problem would be worse in Seattle than Tucson.

    You mentioned that 1 pint of water remains after 36 hours in Seattle. Presumably, the residual is related to the ambient relative humidity which is decidedly higher in Seattle than Tucson. I would therefore expect the residual to be much lower in the drier climate.

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  • roadrunner70roadrunner70 Member Posts: 241
    THE FILTER, EVEN WITH THE REMOVAL CAP WILL FIT BETWEEN THE RADIATOR AND OTHER COMPONENTS. I REMOVE IT FROM THE TOP. QUICK AND EASY. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE CORRECT CAP SIZE, AS THERE ARE THREE DIFFERNT SIZES, DEPENDING IF YOU USE A TOYOTA FILTER, A FRAM OR A DELCO.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    mold and mildew spores thrive most mightily when the "environment" is temporate, 55 to 70F. Seattle nights are not what you would call warm (mostly) and evaporation is one of the ways the evaporator becomes more warm, humidity too high and no evaporation occurs and the evaporator never warms enough overnight for the growth to begin.

    And I absolutely agree about the overnight residual Seattle vs Tucson.

    nimrod: Ford, Huh??
  • dougweaverdougweaver Member Posts: 48
    We are considering leasing a Highlander. I have a few questions. How does the FWD do in the snow? We have an Izuzu Rodeo and in the last 3 1/2 years I bet we have only used the 4WD 2 or 3 times, so I don't know if its worth the $. Also I see on the Toyota website for options they have a Sunroof wind deflector. I was wondering what this looks like and if its needed. Thanks for the info. dpw in Va
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    evaporation is one of the ways the evaporator becomes more warm, humidity too high and no evaporation occurs and the evaporator never warms enough overnight for the growth to begin.

    Actually, it's the other way around. Evaporation causes cooling!* In fact, evaporative cooling is used extensively in Tucson in place of air conditioning in houses. It wouldn't work in Seattle because of the higher relative humidity.

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    * Only the "hottest" molecules are able to overcome the surface tension barrier selectively leaving the "coldest" molecules behind. Nature uses this method to cool our bodies through sweating.
  • bigorange30bigorange30 Member Posts: 1,091
    except for the last statement about hot molecules vs. cold molecules. Cold molecules being left behind is not what cools the body. The water molecules evaporating are taking 540 calories/gram with them as they leave. The energy is removed from the heat source (or the material it was resting on) thereby cooling the material. Melting ice also cools the material it is touching except that it only takes 80 calories/gram.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Minor point - I don't think we are saying anything different from each other whether we distinguish hot and cold molecules or label it latent heat of vaporization!

    Major point - we agree that evaporation cools.

    I am sure that if wwest had given it a second thought he'd have realized he had the notion reversed.

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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    We're ALL correct...

    Think of that thin film of moisture clinging to the evaporator surfaces as a nice insulating blanket, if the humidity is high enough it simply remains in place, at least over a much longer period.

    Raise the humidty and once evaporation has completed it's cycle, there is no insulating blanket and all that is left are the evaporator molecules, left to rise in temperature as the ambient rises.

    At, in the "end", my statement is correct, but I admit to a REALLY poor choice of wording.

    Sorry, wasn't trying to mislead anyone.
  • tommyg12tommyg12 Member Posts: 158
    Also wwest, I found your input regarding brake and trans fluid replacements interesting.

    This was actually another topic that I was going to "poll" the forum on.

    The HL is my first Toyota product so I find it interesting after reading the HL's Maintenance Guide that a transmission fluid change is only recommended for "severe" duty. This is very contradictory to me...probably because I have always owned Honda products. I don't doubt the fact that trans fluid may never require replacement, but it seems that Honda recommends it to eliminate metal particles that may clog the filter/screen. I'm by no means a transmission expert, so I have no idea as to why metal particles would be there in the first place. I assume that Toyota(s)/Lexus do not have a tendency to "loose" metal......?

    The same for brake fluid...I've been told by two Honda dealers that replacement is recommended to eliminate particles spawned from the ABS system (does this sound like a very good system?). On a recent episode of Motor Week, Pat Goss was preaching the importance of having brake fluid flushed at least every two years, but when I questioned my Toyota dealer the exact answer was "we never perform or recommend this procedure".

    Also (sorry for being long winded), I have several aquaintances that have been mechanics for several years that will swear that if you want to have a driveline problem, then just change the original fluid in a trans or diff. Maybe that's an old "fable" but I own several old Mopar's, and one in particular is a one-owner '68 Roadrunner that has never had any fluids replaced other than oil and coolant. The brakes work perfect and so does the trans...after 34 years.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Absent a failure, or a failure in process, the only particles that should ever be present in the tranny fluid would be wear particles from the clutches (and bands). Tranny fluid is specifically formulated such that these particles settle into the sump.

    It is always been my opinion that if you go to the trouble of draining any of these fluids then it is certainly worth the additional trouble and cost to have them analyized by a lab.

    I believe that any lab finding metal particles would immediately recommend that you look into and find the problem.

    If you ever see those Honda mechanics recommendations in writing then fire them off to Honda immediately and you will soon see those same mechanics looking for new jobs.
  • stevostevo Member Posts: 37
    Have the 4 cyl HL. Does anyone have the tool that fits this small oil filter? If so, where did you get it? Oil changes on the 4 cyl are actually the easiest of any vehicle that I've owned.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    Doug, I'm in central VA and I passed on the AWD. I had a Camry FWD that was sure-footed in snow...just didn't have the clearance. The HL is on the Camry chasis and it did great in the one snow (6") we had last winter. I took the HL to the mall and learned all about the ABS system. I'd recommend that because when it kicks in it will surprise you if you haven't heard and felt it before.
  • dougweaverdougweaver Member Posts: 48
    Thanks for the info. I will probably pass on the AWD also. I asked my wife today how many times did she use the 4WD on our Rodeo in the last 3 1/2 yrs and she said 2 times. So I think we can do without it. Do you have the V6 or the I4? Since we no longer need to tow anything (sold our boat in May) we will probably go with the 4Cyl. We haven't done a test drive yet so will have to see. Thanks dpw in Bridgewater Va
  • 93fsu193fsu1 Member Posts: 97
    any recommendations on break in? how long? The standard go easy and vary speeds applies?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    You don't think they are worthwhile until you get in a spot where you really do need them. Not very often, but then what was the circumstance?

    You can plan ahead and avoid circumstances wherein you might need AWD, but ice and snowstorms don't always give fair warning.

    Now, how do those tornadoes find those trailer parks?
  • cmcardlecmcardle Member Posts: 71
    I followed the owners manual, but it was hard keeping it under "real" highway speeds for the first 1,000 miles.
  • gwleonggwleong Member Posts: 36
    Hello,

    I know this issue has been raised before, but I don't recall the solution. I have a 2001 H/L 'non-limited' that has finally developed this rattle. Can anyone provide the solution to this problem?

    Thanks in advance!!

    Gary
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    I test drove both and decided to go with the 6 for the following reasons:
    I'm going to drive across country, thru the Rockies (lots of family on west coast).
    I had a Camry with a 4 (stick shift) and you could really tell a difference in performance with air conditioning and 3 or more passengers.
    Gas mileage difference was minimal (1 or 2 mpg as I recall) so other than 6 vs 4 spark plugs the cost of running the 6 isn't much greater than the 4.
    I really like having the horses when I need them (what can I say, I learned to drive on a classic muscle car).
    I commute 25 miles round trip into Richmond daily and with that commuting and errands I'm still getting 21+ mpg. I'm not one to punch the throttle hard unless needed, I drive smooth and ease off the gas if traffic is slowing ahead so my mileage is in good part due to my driving style. I'm doing better than the EPA numbers but others have posted poorer experience mileage-wise.

    Even though you sold the boat I'd recommend the tow package, just not the hitch. You get upgrades on radiator, alternator, transmission cooler, steering fluid cooling and some other goodies...all good things in my opinion. Check out the package components on Edmunds pricing for new vehicles, for the price it is a bargin.
    Hope you find the HL you want...I got mine last August and I still love it as much as the day I bought it.
    pdalpsher in glen allen
  • aortaaorta Member Posts: 14
    I am looking for a source for tread width measurements to compare various brands of tires, size 235/70 x 16, 235/65 x 16, 235/60 x 16, 225/70 x 16. TIA !
  • rollin00rollin00 Member Posts: 3
    TireRack.com has detailed specs on a wide variety of tires. I just replaced all 5 "stones" on my new 2002 HL V6 AWD with Michelin Cross Terrain 235/70-16 on the stock alloys. Very tight fit in back but speedometer exact @ 60mph. A quality, quiet, responsive tire with good wet & snow traction at a good price.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Member Posts: 343
    Speaking of perfect rigs, I would have to disagree with you.


    If you look at the Kluger in Japan (their Highlander), they are able to get DVD nav, with a video camera in the rear. When backing up, the DVD Nav screen doubles as a TV monitor.

    They are also able to get steptronic sport transmissions, dark grey interior etc etc.


    I know its personal preference, but it would be nice to at least have the option.

    http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/KlugerV/mechanism/images/mecha04.jpg


    http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/KlugerV/mechanism/images/mecha05.jpg


    Sport - steering shift matic

    It arranges the switch on left and right of the steering wheel spoke. By the fact that the shifter is designated as M position, without setting the hand away from the steering wheel, quick with the fingertip it can do shift change

  • xcarnutxcarnut Member Posts: 81
    I'd like to get an opinion on anyone who has used either the front end mask or thin film applied on the front of the HL.
    I am looking to get either one of the two to protect front bumper and hood from rock / pebble damage. I have already gotten scores of chpped paint from stray rocks.
    If anyone has opinions or have it on their HL, can you post pros and cons.

    BTW: - I would have to agree with nimrodd99 on this one, Kluger has other features I would love to get in my HL. I love the 3 spoke steering wheel, darker wood interior and sport tranny. Its too bad TMC doesn't import some of these features and options on U.S. vehicles.
  • dougweaverdougweaver Member Posts: 48
    Thanks for the suggestions. Comparing the 4Cyl Vs the V6 the difference in highway miles is 23 mpg vs 27 and the range for the V6 is 455 and the 4Cyl is 535. To me that is a pretty big difference. And considering the $1500 extra for the V6 to purchase I still am leaning for the 4CYL (especially since my wife will be driving it the most and she has a heavy foot at times) Back in 95 we had a Caravan with a 4 CYL that did fine. I get a lot of satisfaction when I can save $$$ if it's not needed. I remember taking the Caravan for a test drive and was surprized with the pickup it had with the 4CYL. We will do the same with the HL and if it does well we will buy it. dpw
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    Whatever you get I'm sure you'll like it. When I got my Camry I lived 65 miles from work. I didn't even look at the 6 cyl...it was a 4 cyl stick shift to minimize gas use. Now at 12 miles from work I use less than a tank a week.

    The HL is a great choice, in any flavor.
  • dougweaverdougweaver Member Posts: 48
    It all comes down to your needs and what you are satisfied with. My wife would like to get the upgraded stereo instead of the sunroof. I would agree. I also like the roof rack and rear spoiler. They both have value for hauling bikes and luggage and I read where the spoiler helps keep the back window clean. What color is your HL? If we decide to get one it will probably be either the bluestone or gold. Did you get your HL in Richmond? I think I will try the mass e-mail to all dealers within about 100 miles. And then see if my local dealer will match the best offer. I would prefer to get it locally in Harrisonburg or Staunton ... just in case of problems. Thanks dpw
  • jaxbossjaxboss Member Posts: 13
    There is also the timing belt difference between the 4 and the 6. Chain for the 4, the 6 dont have a chain, a tad more money down the road to change it when the time comes.
    I too test drove the 4 cyl and wanted it for the same gas saving feature, however when I finally purchased I opted for the 6...REASON--$600.00 difference plus more items and in the color I wanted. It was a no brainer really and down the road when I sell it, Ill make more on it.

    I did my homework for 2 straight months on this and believe me MONEY was my biggest factor, yet I bought the 6, its worth it in the long run.
    Again, either way you go, you cant go wrong.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I drove our RX out to central MT and back a weekend ago, mostly 75+ MPH. At 4000 ft elevation the 6 had very little HP left to pass at 65 MPH.

    If you mostly drive on the flatland and don't tow the 4 will likely be satisfactory.
  • jaxbossjaxboss Member Posts: 13
    Im sure this has been discussed on here somewhere, silly setup in here. ANYWAY, on the yah00 site there are pics posted from a guy that actually applied the film strips to his lander.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    The chain in the 4cyl wouldn't need replacing before breaking where the belt is recommended for preventative maintenance change at 90k interval. I'd think the numbers were in favor of the 4 vs the 6. The chain shouldn't break unless its like the one I had on a ford...it had plastic (which broke) where the force of the teeth was applied instead of being all metal. Excellent example of designed-in obsolescence...plastic chain...what were they thinking LOL
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The chain itself was all metal, the plastic was an "over-coat" to quiet the metal to metal chain noise. The problem was the plastic coating contributed to the overall circumference of the chain and therefore as it wore away, or cracked away due to heat, the chain become slack.
  • stevostevo Member Posts: 37
    On our last little trip out of town, we got 22.5 mpg with our 4 cyl HL. This included some city driving when we got there. We filled up and checked mileage when we returned home.

    From the mileage figures I've read here for the 6 cyl, you won't save a lot of money on gas by opting for the 4 cyl. As I mentioned earlier, I went with the 4 cyl mainly because the 6 cyl HLs that I found were about $1500 more - after discount (they had a couple of extra options in addition to the 6cyl).

    Hopefully my mileage will increase a little after a few more miles (have 4500 mi now). Performance is fine for flatland and minor hills. You just don't have much in reserve for passing. It works out ok for the area that I live in.
  • hsvillagehsvillage Member Posts: 36
    We make a 230 mile trip to Tunica MS about twice a month and we've averaged >23 mpg every time. We have an 6cyl AWD HL and we use the AC all the way, this is with 87 octane gas. I believe gas mileage depends more on driving technique than engine size, jack-rabbit starts and riding the brakes probably are more of a factor.Of course the same driver in a 4cyl will do better, I average 33+ im my wife's Camry. I am not too concerned about MPG since a gallon of gas costs less than a gallon of most bottled water, but I do think it gives an indication of how well the engine is performing.
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