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Volvo XC90 vs MB M Class vs Acura MDX vs Lexus RX 350 vs BMW X5 vs Cadillac SRX

This topic is a continuation of Topic 2274....

MB M-class vs Infiniti QX4 vs Lexus RX300 vs
Acura's new SUV
. Please continue these discussions
here. Thanks!

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  • alingaling Posts: 598
    Oh no! "Acura" in the topic name is mis-spelled! Oh well...

    Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    Good catch, Drew. The title should probably be changed to read "... vs Acura MDX" instead of "... new SUV". Maybe we should let this topic die out, and someone so inclined can start another comparison topic? Besides, this one didn't get too much discussion on the QX4, did it?
  • alingaling Posts: 598
    No it didn't. How about a MB M-class/BMW X5/Acura MDX/Lexus RX300/Infiniti QX4/Toyota Highlander comparison topic?

    Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
  • I know that I'm going to be condemned for caring but I have been told be several friends that the RX300 looks as if you couldn't afford the LX470. I am in the market for a SUV and I like the RX and the LX. However, I have to admit that once you start spending the amount of money that these two vehicles cost glamour and appearance does come into play. I think anyone who says different is a hipocrit. I know that the LX costs more but I could definitely get a 98 or maybe even a 99 for about the same price as a new RX.
    Has anyone else in here heard these claims that the RX is less classy and like pinching pennies?
  • I've had it with suv shopping. Have test driven the Mazda tribute, the Acura MDX, Pathfinder (personal fav), new RAV4 (I have a '96), and today the ML320. Have ridden in the RX300 but not driven it. I have the good fortune of buying which suv I prefer, although my husband definitely has an opinion, which changes daily. Have never driven a MB before. Wow. It is a totally different vehicle from the others--a luxurious, smooth-riding tank. It feels very safe. Cosmetics is subjective, which is why I haven't been to the Lexus dealer. I prefer the boxier traditional suv look (ML320, Tribute, PF) as opposed to the aerodynamic minivan look (RX300, MDX.
    Does anyone have knowledge as to which would be best for a sciatic nerve problem. I'm in the suv quite a bit, and my leg pain is getting worse. Would a power seat provide relief? A cushier seat (ML 320), or is the ride (stiffness) key?
    Sorry for this ridiculous-sounding post, but I'm hesitant to make a decision if anything will make a difference (aside from lumber injections).
  • alingaling Posts: 598
    Your post is not ridiculous sounding at all. Many people have been down the same road that you have, which is why I created this topic a while ago.

    The MB seats were orthopedically designed and are very comfortable for most people. I will point out that the M-class does ride firmer (like most German vehicles) than both the Lexus RX and Acura MDX, but if you felt that it was smooth and comfortable, I don't think you'll have a problem with it. Running boards or side steps can be fitted to the truck to aid entry and exit from the cabin. These accessories are also available on the MDX.

    Try taking a longer test drive in the ML to see how comfortable you are with it on longer distances. To make sure that you are getting the true ride and handling characteristics of the vehicle check that that the tires on the test ML are all inflated to 29 psi, and that your test vehicle has (preferably) the Dunlop Grandtrek tires rather than the lower quality and harder General Grabber ST tires.

    All but the base MLs have power seats, and the heated seat option (also available on the MDX and RX) will give you some back relief as well (like a heating pad) since it does heat the lower back as well as the seat bottom.

    FYI, you can pick up a '00 ML320 with a substantial discount (over $2K at least) off MSRP right now since they're trying to clear out the '00 models for the incoming '01s (only minor changes). If you would like more information about the M-class, join us in the MB M-class topic.

    Good luck!
    Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference

    Pictures of my '00 ML320 can be seen at . In the 1st gallery, you will also find '98 ML320s (without the ESP stability control system) that have been involved in accidents. All passengers survived without permanent injuries.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    My wife had a similar sciatic nerve problem that sometimes made our '95 Honda del Sol VERY uncomfortable after 30 minutes of driving. This was the reason we sold it after owning it less than 1.5 years. Since then we have had upscale automobiles with well-designed, comfortable front seats. A key issue for her was making sure that the seating position was upright and well above the floor; not a seat that caused her legs to be nearly horizontal, such as in our del Sol or some other sports coupes.

    We have had our MDX for almost 2 weeks, and she has had no problems with the front seats whatsoever. She finds them quite comfortable. I can't really comment as to how orthopedically correct the MDX seats are compared to the M-Class or the RX300. In your case, I would definitely recommend staying with an SUV model that is known for luxurious, or near-luxurious, accommodations; such as the M-Class, RX300, or MDX. It sounds like you can affort either one of these, from reading your post. On the other hand, I would be suspicious of the long-term comfort and support provided by the seats in a Tribute or RAV4. (You may know differently about the RAV4, since you own the 1996 model!) BTW, don't even consider a Grand Cherokee!

    If you narrow your decision down to 2 or 3 models, ask to take an extended test drive, and then see if you can remain seated after the test drive as you ask some questions about interior features and controls. If you can remain in the same seat for 30 minutes with no discomfort, that should be a good sign.

    As a final thought, I would tend to side with Drew regarding the M-Class seats. Although we bought an MDX, I am biased toward European interior design. I think the European manufacturers (MB, Volvo, Audi, BMW, etc) generally do a better design of their front seats than domestic or Japanese manufacturers. However, I would be surprised if the MDX or RX300 seats present a problem to you, and they both ride a little smoother (RX300 the smoothest) than the M-Class. That is why you should do an extended test drive.
  • rxcurerxcure Posts: 33
    As a frequent reader but rare poster, a large fraction of my posts have ended up being directed against what I've seen as overly Rah-Rah comments by Drew on the ML. Thus I feel compelled to weigh in with praise on the very helpful and balanced points Drew made in #6 -- thanks for sharing your knowledge in a way that makes the world a better place ;-)
  • Would like to thank all of you for your comments regarding seating/extended test drives. Sounds like a good idea and will do so this week as my leg right now is aching!
  • bmw888bmw888 Posts: 3
    Sounds like you and your friends are just a bunch of elitist ! Call me a hypocrite if you want but I traded in my LS400 for a RX300. I really don't care what people think, I drive what I want, not what others think about what I should drive. You should read "The Millionaire Next Door", there's a reason why these people have a lot of money. They're not interested in impressing their friends.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    Regarding post #4: Yeah, buying the RX300 is just like pinching pennies. In fact, I couldn't help but feel like I was on food stamps when I bought our MDX. It's not an LX470 or a Range Rover, but somehow, we'll still find a way to make do. We'll do our best to hide it from our friends so that we don't get too embarrassed.

    Sorry, couldn't help myself! ;-) Sarcasm aside, if the RX300 meets all your functional needs, then WHY consider spending so much more money on the LX? (...or the same amount on an older LX that has little warranty remaining? Older trucks tend to rattle more than new ones!) If you don't plan to use the 3rd row seats, if you don't need the extra ground clearance, if you aren't needing the trail riding capabilities, etc.; the RX300 seems to be a very luxurious vehicle that will provide better on-road driving characteristics, better acceleration, much better fuel economy, and lower emissions than the LX.

    Also, I don't consider ANY Sport Utility Vehicle or Truck to be "glamorous", no matter how big it is, or how much leather, wood, and chrome is included. The LX admittedly has some look of class to it, but it is nevertheless a big, boxy truck-based vehicle. I might consider a Jaguar XK8 or MB CLK430 convertible to be glamorous, or maybe an Audi TT, but certainly not any SUV. If image and "looks" are the biggest concern in an SUV purchase decision, many would consider the X5 to be a better choice. It would also be much more fun to drive.
  • On Saturday, September 16, 2000 I purchased an Infiniti QX4 4WD from Glendale Infiniti. I’m happy with the car; however, I’m extremely disappointed with the dealership with regards to two aspects: (1) lack of honesty and integrity of the sales manager and (2) poor quality of service.

    Tim Benton was the sales manager handling this transaction. He initially quoted me a price of $650 over invoice. However, after about half an hour of negotiation, we agreed on a price of $400 over invoice. Despite this verbal agreement, he still charged me $650 over invoice. Given the excitement of buying a new luxury car I overlooked the price and signed on the dotted line. I did not realize this discrepancy until I came home that evening and had a chance to review the sales contract in detail. Subsequently, I phoned Tim to discuss the possibility of creating a new contract. However, his defense was that I signed the contract so therefore I’m stuck with the price. He was neither apologetic for the key entry error (if you can even call it that) nor was he willing to change the contract. I was disgusted to hear such a response and even more disappointed in myself for trusting him. I felt betrayed. Knowing how upset I was, he finally agreed to contact the general manager to inquire of the possibility of changing the contract. At this point, I decided that I could no longer trust him and needed to take matters into my own hands. After numerous phone calls and messages left, I finally got a hold of the general manager who indicated that he knew nothing of the issue (i.e. Tim did not contact him) but assured me that it was a simple mistake to correct. Thus, a new contract was created with the correct price. When I arrived at the dealership to sign the new contract, Tim walked out the other door without even acknowledging me. This validates my perception of his business ethics, or lack of thereof, by not admitting his mistake.

    The second issue I had with Glendale Infiniti related to the poor quality of service of the Service Manager, Roy, and the Customer Service Representative, Cheri. When I took possession of my car, there was a scratch on the side mirror and some markings on the bumper. Tim granted me a Due Bill to come back and have the scratch buffed away and the markings removed. In addition, I needed wheel locks to be installed. Hence, I called Roy to schedule a time to bring in the car for service and indicated that I needed a loaner car to get home. He assured me that it was not a problem. However, when I did come in, he did not have a loaner available. In addition, he claimed that he knew nothing about the Due Bill (sales department did not forward the Due Bill to the service department). The lack of internal communication at Glendale should not be my problem. Yet, I ended up paying for the poor communication such that I had to wait for over an hour before they got me a loaner car. To top this off, the loaner was an ‘89 Thunderbird!! So essentially, I drove in with a 2001 brand new Infiniti and drove out with a clunker! It was pathetic! In addition, when I picked up my Infiniti, it was filthy because the dust from the buffing landed on the dash board and no one cared to clean the car before returning it to me.

    As if the aforementioned was not enough drama, I later spoke to a Customer Service Representative who essentially doubted everything that happened. Apparently, she spoke to Tim and Roy and received their version of the stories. As a Customer Service Representative, she should not have even doubted my complaints. She should have been apologetic and offer to do whatever it takes to win back my trust. Instead, she reacted the exact opposite – she said that there was nothing she could do and that it was my prerogative if I wanted to notify other consumers of my bad buying experience. I thought Infiniti differentiated itself from Nissan by the quality of services it provided, but I was proven wrong.

    I hope this message will allow other consumers to learn from my mistakes. If you have further question, feel free to write me at [email protected]

    Sincerely disappointed.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    Wow! Looks like this discussion group is nearly on its deathbed! Time to see if "Dr. cotmc" can revive it.

    Any comments pro or con about the new Car & Driver SUV Review. Someone reported in the MDX discussion group that the new issue rates 7 mid-sized upscale SUVs against each other. I have not yet had a chance to read this article. The reported top 3 finishers?

    1) MDX
    2) X5 3.0
    3) RX300

    SUVs 4-7 included the ML320, Montero, QX4, and Discovery. I don't know the finishing order for these 4 models.

    Since I personally chose an MDX after testing it against the RX300 and ML320, I am not surprised it won. It's not unnatural for the new kid on the block to win, especially when it offers great value. However, I AM surprised that the ML320 was not among the top three finishers. With the X5 finishing #2, it makes me wonder how much importance road handling figured into the equation versus utility and cargo capacity?

    I find Car and Driver to be one of the more respectable automotive magazines (as compared to Motor Trend), and so I am looking forward to reading this article very soon.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    Looks like I spoke too soon about having to apply CPR to this discussion! Two other posts while I was typing mine; that after more than 1 week had passed with no new posts!
  • kiiwiikiiwii Posts: 318
    well, same here, most of the sales people i know are natural born AXXholes!!
  • i come quickly to rescue the reputation of infiniti. i purchased my qx4 from jim lupient infiniti in golden valley MN. as a first time vechile buyer, i was slightly intimidated making my way into an infiniti dealership. but the jitters ceased quickly. i was given the respect of any other shopper even with my young age (not true at the nissan dealership or mercedes dealership). no pressure was put on me and though i found out i could've negotiated lower, my salesdude was very helpful on getting me the deal i requested. as for the service department, i'm a little bit at ends. the service aren't exactly the most congenial people, but the service is extraordinary. i ordered a tow hitch which was installed about 4 weeks after i purchased my qx4, which merited a loaner. i received my loaner immediately and also received the courtesy vehicle cleaning on my qx4. my salesdude has been extremely responsive to any question or concern i've had, from simply wanting the dealership sticker removed from the vehicle to getting floormats to recommended service on my qx4.

    most often, bad experiences are heard loud and reach far, but good experiences often not mentioned. it's true that good service is expected from infiniti, and i expect just as much if not more than others, but don't let one post ruin infiniti's reputation. thanks all.

    on a side note, are you happy with your qx4? mine could not be better, especially as a first time vehicle buyer.
  • I went to five dealerships when we went shopping for my wife's new car. Acura and Infiniti salesman where quick to try and collect the security deposit. "Only $500 or $1000 will hold a car of your choosing, and you better do it today because theses cars are flying off the lot." I felt that I was on the lot of a typical car lot.

    Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus were very refreshing. After showing the car/SUV and going for a test drive, the salesman would give us a brochure, his card and ask that we call if we had any questions. NO pressure at all. NO tricks. NO rush. What a delight to shop for a car and have the salesman be available to answer questions. When it's time for my new car you can bet I'll be going to one of these three.
  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    What I hate about buying is when the salesperson you're talking to will send in the "closer", a more experience salesperson. And they seem to try to confuse you with their prices, especially when you have a trade-in. A lot of people get confuse there and that's when you think you had a good deal. They somehow count backwards or something.

    I have bought from a Land Rover "Centre" and Mercedes Benz and I have, on each occassion, no pressure whatsoever from the sales people there.
    The LR salesperson even did the financing from his desk. Didn't have to talk to another person. It only took me less than a couple of hours to complete the transactions, from the test drive to driving my new car out the lot, from both these dealerships.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Everyone's mileage is going to vary. I have friends who have been treated very condescendingly at MB and Lexus dealerships. I have heard some amazing stories about great treatment from Infiniti dealerships.

    I don't think anyone can be sure about how they'll be treated at a particular brand's dealership until they show up there; you may be missing out on something good if you bypass it.

    Nevertheless, I would agree that there is probably a greater probability of less-than-ideal sales treatment at a random Acura dealership than, say, a BMW dealership. Too much of that Honda-the-car-that-sells-itself attitude, and too many salespeople who are making most of their commissions pushing relatively low-end Integras.
  • I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your Infiniti dealer. My experience with Infiniti of Nashville was excellent.

    In a couple of weeks you will receive a customer satisfaction survey card directly from Infiniti. You should give the dealer "poor" ratings on the appropriate categories and attach a written description of what happened. I understand that Infiniti of America takes these comments VERY seriously. I would expect them to contact you after receiving your evaluation.
  • From my experiences, Lexus dealerships tend to be the better ones..not that there aren't good mb,bmw or maybe even acura ones. It's just that when i was getting my new car..i was in a rental corolla..and when I went into BMW all the staff saw me comming in..didn't even say hi and con't to talk to each other and i had to go ask for some info and even then they just handed me a brochere and left... Mercedes was somewhat better but the sales didn't think i was serious about buying the car..but Lexus was different... I was greeted promptly.. asked if there was anything I needed and tried to assess my needs. I was impressed and and I went on to purchase my next 3 cars from them .
  • swiftmswiftm Posts: 68
    Emunds recently posted a excellent article "confessions of the car salesman" by Chandler Phillips. It really given me much insights of car dealers. swiftm
  • Liked the look of the Mazda Tribute but after sitting in it for just a minute it became PAINfully clear that there was no support for back or head unless you happened to be the person the seat was designed around. There was no way to adjust the head support & no lumbar adjustment. If felt permanently stuck in a fetal position.

    Just put a deposit on an Acura MPX which has good support for both me (short) & my husband (tall) and the seats evidently has some of that NASA developed Swedish support material that conforms to your body shape. I've had sciatic problems in the past, also, and comfort was an important factor in the decision.
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    Dont forget the Montero 01

    Australian review

    ..."Mitsubishi’s new Pajero GLS (Montero 01 in the US) has raised the standard for four-wheel drives in several areas, and beat the Mercedes-Benz ML320 and Toyota 100 Series LandCruiser GLX to the best 4WD title.

    On the road, the Pajero delivers class-leading ride, handling and steering, and braking, attracting consistently good scores.

    The change to a unitary construction (with no separate chassis) has helped Mitsubishi to deliver best in class dynamics. The new chassis combines with fully independent suspension to provide an outstanding ride/handling compromise.

    In this respect, it makes the LandCruiser feel like a truck.

    Although the Toyota LandCruiser’s 4.5 litre engine delivers more pulling power in the low to mid rev range, the Mitsubishi Pajero’s 3.5 litre V6 also performs strongly.

    New to the Pajero is a five-speed, adaptive auto transmission with a tiptronic-style manual shift mode.

    Off the bitumen, the LandCruiser still has the edge but the Pajero is now very close. With a good approach angle, a smooth and willing engine, solid engine braking and reasonable wheel articulation, the Pajero copes with terrain that would have defeated the previous model.

    For the money, the Pajero GLS also offers a long standard equipment list.

    The ML320 uses the same great engine as the E320 sedan, but has limited off road ability, and the Pajero is at least equally capable on the road.
  • I've narrowed my choices to the RX300, ML320 and MDX. My choice MUST have the nav. system...Does anyone have any input? There are +/- to each I think. The ML320 has no auto climate control. The MDX looks way too much like a minivan. The RX300 has this awkward stick shift that looks like an afterthought...

    Any suggestions on these 3 suv's?
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    There's no perfect SUV since everyone's needs are different. As far as the nav system goes, do you need it for larger cities or for remote areas?

    If your questions go beyond just comparing the vehicle' nav systems, I suggest you list your priorities in a vehicle to yourself; what are the most important factors to you -- what can't you live without, what is important to you, what isn't? Which of the items can be "traded off" and which ones are absolutes?

    The RX300, ML320, and MDX are all excellent vehicles, but each is better at fulfilling some needs than the others.

    Questions include, but are not limited to:

    How important is cargo room? How much do you need?

    How important is passenger room (and for how many adults and children)?

    How important is reliability (e.g. really great reliability vs. above-average reliability, or vs. average or below-average reliability). Is "projected" reliability adequate in determining reliability, or does that give you the willies?

    Do you consider minor differences in crash-test results important, when the vehicles themselves all have the highest rating category?

    Do you want as much safety measures as is possibly available in your range of choices? E.g. what if one vehicle has 12 measures, the other 14; does that make you automatically go for 14?

    Do you really need 4WD (since the Lexus is available in a cheaper 2WD version)?

    Is off-road capability important?

    What type of weather conditions do you have to handle? Will you frequently drive in snow and ice?

    How important is acceleration?

    How important is car-like handling and/or car-like ride comfort? Do you want the maximum softness of ride, or do you want the rough stuff?

    Would you prefer a truck-like SUV or a car-like SUV?

    How important is towing? How much would you tow?

    How important is it to have a prestige brand? Do you prefer Japanese or German brands?

    Do you have any special requirements (e.g. you want to be able to exclude a moonroof, you're especially tall or short).

    Are there critical budget constraints? Is one vehicle being a couple of thousand cheaper than another going to weigh heavily?

    If you like your Audi and its characteristics, the ML320 might be right up your alley (personally, I think it looks even more like a minivan than the MDX, but that's just an opinion). And while the ML320 doesn't have automatic climate control, you can think of it as "semi-automatic."
  • clchuclchu Posts: 2
    Ah which SUV, every manufacture under the sun wants our SUV dollar. The one you choose will be the one that has the features you value the most per poster #29. Drive and sit in all of them on the same day is my recommendation. We drove the MDX and the next day the ML and you get a very different impression vs trying them side by side.
    All of them are good for different things and depending on your budget you'll find your winner.
    We ordered the MDX but after the side by side comparison bought the Mercedes and love it for what we bought it for. If the NAV is important than the MDX will win you over.

    We choose safety ( truck construction, 6 air bags ) and ability to seat 7 to be the most important features. The Mercedes won by a long shot. If the navigation unit is important as is most bang for buck the MDX will probably pull ahead. Also if you like the really neat folding seats than MDX wins over the Mercedes. I don't know how you value "reliability" ML has a bad reputation from the first several years and the jury is out on the 2000 and 2001. The MDX is a first year, generally Honda has been good but their minivan had all sorts of little problems and the MDX is being built in the same factory. The RX is a Lexus, you either love it or feel its a pretender as a SUV. It has all the things that people who love Lexus love, but it doesn't seat 7 and is probably the most car like of the three. I think you'll be happy with any of the three just as long as you figure out what is most important to you and score the three correctly.
  • alingaling Posts: 598
    "If the NAV is important than the MDX will win you over"

    I disagree. The ML320 has an optional navigation system which is made by the same company (Alpine - same displays and all) as the MDX's system. This system is available for about US$1500, which is comparable, if not slightly cheaper than the MDX's system.

    As for reliability, the early to mid-year MY2K MLs have about average reliability according to JD Power's Initial Quality Survey.

    Like William, I think that we need to know more criteria for basing the decision before we can offer more insight into the +/- of each vehicle.

    Good luck!
    Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    I noticed the U.S. MB web site doesn't list the nav option for the ML320; is it a dealer-installed option in the U.S? (Though other dealer-installed options were listed.) If it's $1,500, it's definitely cheaper than the $2,000 Acura wants for the nav system (factory installation only).

    My understanding is that Acura's system earns raspberries for coverage that is more limited outside urban areas, but it earns kudos for ease-of-use (even though Alpine makes the base system, the controls and usage differ).

    bjacob1, you can access JD Power quality ratings at:

    1st-half model year 2000 ML320's have roughly average reliability, as mentioned in Healey's article: "Though improving, M-class quality remains below average, according to a J.D. Power and Associates survey. Owners of new vehicles registered in March and April [2000]reported 165 problems per 100 vehicles. Industry average: 157." Technically, I'd think that 165 is close to the average of 157, unless the standard deviation is very low. Unfortunately, the results still leave the M-class in the bottom 30% according to JD Power, albeit probably near the top end of that. Take it for what it's worth, as posters here report an improvement.

    Odyssey also is not rated that well by JD Power; as clchu pointed out, the MDX is based on it and made at the same plant. Dunno yet if they're putting more effort into the higher-end vehicle. Note that while JD Power rates the Odyssey lower, Consumer Reports rates it above average.

    Lexus RX300 rated very well in JD Power, though only "average" by Consumer Reports.

    Other criteria to consider:

    - How important is it to have Xenon headlamps?

    - Are foglamps required? Any qualms about them not being street-legal?
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Thanks for your comment. As I said, everyone needs to put together their own list of priorities.

    In your case, it sounds like reliability is a very high priority (probably to above average or better, and probably with a proven history if I read your reaction correctly), so that would of course affect your selection of vehicle.

    Some folks don't seem to mind having average reliability (or even worse!) as much; warranties cover any fix, and the other facets of the vehicle offset the reliability. E.g. a good example is the Infiniti QX4: seems like excellent quality, but its IIHS crash test scores are "marginal." What do you do?

    The ML320 wouldn't your criteria, based on the currently available historical information (technically, it's actually slightly below average, based on numbers from the first half of the 2000 model year). Similarly, the MDX may not fit that bill either. While I don't see it doing worse than the present-day ML320 (it'll probably be as good, which certainly isn't what one would expect from Honda/Acura, and it could be better, though first year models always suffer; see my Odyssey comments), we won't know about MDX numbers for quite some time.
    SUV's in general are more complex vehicles than basic sedans, so it's understandable, even though it may be disappointing, that you don't find a wide range of them with the highest quality scores. Hopefully over time that will change. Even the Lexus RX300 doesn't carry the highest reliability score (does well with JD Power, only average by Consumer Reports's surveys). The Lexus carries the second-best proven reliability scores among the $40k luxury utes (after the QX4), but it is definitely a cut below Lexus's mroe reliable sedans. So you either "settle" or break out of this class of vehicle.

    Spending $40k on a high-reliability sedan is an alternative, though most folks looking for an SUV wouldn't make that choice.
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