Acura MDX (pre-2007)

will4271

NIELLO ACURA
SACRAMENTO, CA

I heard the wait is shorter than in the Bay Area. While I was driving on the road, I saw three MDX purchased from there.

I'm mostly in the SJ/Fremont area.

clpurnell

Hi,

Congrats on the MDX. I am still trying to decide on which vehicle to get between the pilot and the MDX. I drove a used MDX and it was the best riding truck I have ever been in. Did not buy it because it was priced 1k less than a new one. I will be moving to Texas soon (so I hope wmquan is right) and will be looking for a deal down there. I am in chicago now and it is a terrible place to try and buy a luxury car or SUV. The dealers here are very arrogant hopefully I will be better off once I'm a southener. Enjoy driving your MDX and post your experiences from time to time

eagleeye3

Does anyonw know where you can find/order a base MDX in San Diego for MSRP (or less) - without dealer installed options?

wmquan

I have noticed some posts on this and other systems on Texas dealers charging at MSRP while most other dealers were above. Could have sworn I saw one or two with mild $500 discounts. This was several months ago.

When you do move, please ask around for the specific area of Texas you're moving to. There are plenty of owners out there who should be able to help.

wmquan

"... they wanted $695 and $800+ for the roof rack and side steps ..."

Do those prices include installation?

The list price for the Acura side steps is $549. Sites like www.hondacuraworld.com discount them to $433 ($2 handling, free shipping, no tax outside of New York State). Fairly easy to install yourself, actually, quite a few owners have done so.

Additionally, a number of owners prefer the Manik side steps, which are even cheaper.

I'm afraid I'm not sure what the roof rack discounts to. If you go to www.acura.com and build your own Acura, it lists some very general pricing.

sbcooke

I sat in a Pilot today. Not even close. Cheap plastic. The center console, which looks good in pictures, is really just cheap plastic. The whole interior seems not very durable in my opinion.

The MDX rules over the pilot. The 2002 MDX is better than the new pilot. I am very happy I got an MDX over Pilot.

No buyers remorse, after sitting in it, I am verypleased I own an MDX.

crikey

For other folks here, Florida and Texas seem to be good places to find discounts on hotter-selling SUV's. Buyers there may tend to get the 2WD versions of SUV's, and Honda/Acura doesn't make one. So there's more pressure there to knock dollars off the MDX, and, eventually, the Pilot.
In addition, the locals here in Orlando, FL prefer pickup trucks to sport utilities. And a luxury SUV like the MDX doesn't come cheap on Disney dollars.

BTW, it's only $500 under MSRP not $1500 for 32822, i.e. $34,700 instead of $35,200. It looks like Manufacturer's Destination Charge is the discount.

btcutter

three dealers have quoted me $388, $333 and $305 to have it installed on a new MDX. I check the hondacura site...it cost about $130. In another word, charging $ 695 is highway robbery!

woodard1

Your right. If they would have been decent about the trades I'm positive I would have signed for the Pilot without giving any more "real" consideration to a MDX. I totally thought I was dreaming even looking across the line at the x. I'm totally happy. I've been on another board I see your a heavy poster on. I'm looking to get a little more volume outta that base stereo. I think my dh is gonna hook me up with some nicer speakers for that puppy and I"ll be happy. Well I also want the chrome rails on the side, and more wood trim......LOL

rodeodawg

After getting the run around on Friday from a Honda dealer (who has had three Pilots sitting on his lot in Franklin, TN for 10 days now), I went on a driving bonanza yesterday and discovered the great MDX. (I define "run around" as high pressure tactics, low trade-in offer, high priced accessories.) Any ways, here's my question:

Do you all anticipate that the availability (albeit limited) of the Pilot will satisfy some of the demand for the MDX? (Real question, will the Pilot make it easier for me to get a good deal on an MDX?) Thanks all.

jerrynj

Thanks a lot for your reply. The prices include installation. I will check the web sites you suggested.

angelica2

I was looking at the MDX and Pilot. I saw a black Pilot yesterday and it looked pretty good. I didn't deal because it didn't have the DVD system (there was a $4,000 mark-up w/o DVD). The sales person said I could add an after market DVD in the Pilot. I just laughed at him. I told him I would not pay a cent over MSRP. He told me, "you have to give the sales manager something." Give me a break. I told him he could keep is Pilot and sell it to the next sucker willing to pay over MSRP. I went across the street to Acura. They told me they had two Silver Base Models on the lot that were not pre-sold (I was looking for a silver Touring). I told them I also looking at the Pilot because they offer the DVD. They told me that the 2003 MDX will also offer the DVD entertainment system. My search is over, I will wait for the 2003 MDX. I know I'll have to wait until September or October until the 03 start arriving. It will be worth the wait and definitely worth the extra money. Aside from the DVD add on, I heard that Granite Green will be discontinued. I'm hoping they will come out with black leather in the White. If anyone else has heard any 2003 rumors or fact, please post.

wmquan

"Do you all anticipate that the availability (albeit limited) of the Pilot will satisfy some of the demand for the MDX? (Real question, will the Pilot make it easier for me to get a good deal on an MDX?) Thanks all."

Very hard to say. In theory, yes, but if by a good deal you mean $500 above invoice, I'm afraid not. I think the Pilot will cause the MDX to be available with less of a wait, and maybe you'll see some mild discounting depending on where you live. However, I don't see anything -- yet -- that indicates a very large increase in production volume from Acura.

There should be an opportunity for some mild discounting starting in the summer as the 2003's approach. There are rumors -- none substantiated -- of various updates, and that might cause demand for the remaining 2002's to drop somewhat.

crikey

Unless you really have a preference for the OEM DVD System that Honda sells, here is a cheaper ( and maybe better) alternative

$899.95 versus $1500.00, a $600 difference! Not only that, you know you're getting a Panasonic. I don't know what brand Honda puts into their vehicles.

hky

I went test driver both pilot and mdx. The honda dealer put a 18" on the pilot, the mdx has touring package. The MDX is more nimble in handling than the pilot, a little more quiet and the 2nd row seat is more comfortable than the pilot. Of course, the salesman in Acura is much more professional/courteous than the kid at Honda.
(He urged me to drive onto curbs and dirt to test the mdx). Overall I like the mdx more. I live in Dallas. Has anyone get a good deal from goodson? If the price difference is not too big, I probably will go for the mdx.

l943973

Since the Pilot has optional rear parking distance sensors, I'm hoping the 03 MDX has this as standard equipment.

Besides the DVD Entertainment system and possible Rearview camera (currently available on the Pilot), is there anything else to expect in the 03 MDX?

fedlawman

Are also availible from the aftermarket. Some RX300 owners discussed this several months ago.

As I recall, the systems cost about $200 - $300.

btcutter

anyone can tell me difference bt the wheels on the touring model vs base model. better yet, a site that has the photos that shows the different models. heck I can't figure this out!

thanks

sbcooke

wieck.com has a lot of photos. Check models with and without a roof rack? If there are such, you should be able to see the difference.

Don't forget the tires too. Base is the Goodyear Integrity, touring has Michelin Cross-Terrain.

stevesfl

Just about to make the splurge on the MDX....can I save some ca$h by buying the Honda Pilot splash guards at an internet site (ex: colleghillshonda.com), and use them on the MDX?

What about the cargo tray?

Or, can anyone advise on an intrenet site selling Acura accessories?

Thanks!

ss

wmquan

stevesfl:

I can't help with the compatibility between Pilot and MDX accessories (relatively early in the game to figure out). But for Acura accessories, many folks swear by www.hondacuraworld.com. Great prices, a $2 handling fee on orders, but free shipping. Not only are the prices great, but Tim, who runs the outfit, has built up a tremendous following for his integrity and customer service. Winning combination that deserves a recommendation!

l943973:

As fedlawman said, there are some really good aftermarket rear parking sensors. I've heard a lot of good things about the Poron system (www.poronusa.com). A number of MDX owners have installed them and are happy with them. They make one system with simply a voice alert, and another that has a lighted digital display (no voice). For the MDX, you'd need a system with three sensors.

I figure that Acura will eventually offer a rear parking sensor as an accessory, but I'm not sure who makes it and whether it's as effective (the Poron, according to some, is better than some OEM systems, but I haven't seen enough empirical testing that proves it -- yet).

kendux

I want to replace an Explorer which I regularly drive on the beach. I know there are differences in 4 WD systems and some are not recommended for sand,like Volvo XC. Does anyone have experience or info on MDX for the beach? Kendux

sbcooke

I have seen the MDX on the beaches of Nantucket, I even saw an X5. These were both at Great point, which as long as you stick to the grooves, isn't that hard of terrain. I think the biggest drawback is the tires. The 17" low profile don't look to durable when lowered to 15 PSI. A 16" wheel with larger tires would probably help out a lot.

I think it would really depend on the beach. I have been on hard packed beaches with a FWD car before. Sand dunes, rough terrain, and really soft stuff, I think you would be better off in a truck based SUV. If you go to a very well travelled spot, you would probably be OK, if you want to fish and find new less travelled spots, I would look elsewhere.

mitengineers

Can anyone confirm engine changes for 2003 MDX?
I have read that they are going to increase the displacement to 3.8L from 3.5L. Will this be standard and will horsepower rise? Also, any other features confirmed yet?

wmquan

Zero confirmation so far. Don't expect any anytime soon, I'll bet Acura waits until very late in the game.

will4271

I'm curious if the fog lights on the MDX are just for looks or is it bright enought to make a difference at night. I assume they turn on when the headlights are on.

I heard some people say that the headlights are not that good on the MDX. Is that true?

wmquan

The fog lights are useful in fog, in terms of defining the edges of the road/lane.

The MDX's headlamps are okay but not anything special. Obviously Acura should add headlamp washers, autoleveling, and xenons like the competition.

The best route for better headlamps seem to be Sylvania Silverstar bulbs. They seem to work as well if not better than most of the "wanna-be xenons" out there.

There are conversion kits for xenons but whether they're street legal or truly as good as regular xenons is highly debatable.

sbcooke

There are also higher wattage bulbs that are available. If the reflector is good enough to support it a higher wattage bulb will give more light? Has anyone tried a higher wattage bulb?

I have had success with the sylvania XV bulbs in my isuzu. Not extra wattage, but seem to be whiter and brighter.

rms41

the Pilot board but got no reply. Where is the washer fluid reservoir for the rear window? Is it the same reservoir as for the windshield washers? If not, where is it? I'm guessing that however the MDX is set up the Pilot would be the same way. Can't find anything in the manual. BTW, I really like my Pilot but would have preferred to have gotten an MDX instead. But, I just couldn't spare another 5 or 6 thousand.

jamiestockman

The reservoir is the same for both the front & rear wiper systems in the MDX. I believe you are correct in assuming that the pilot would be set up the same.

Jamie S.

bengelking

Yes, one tank for both washers.

will4271

I heard there are some complaints that the Toyota Sequoia brakes last only about 10K to 15K before the pads needs to be changed.

What's the experience with the MDX?

wmquan

We're over 22k miles on the original set of pads. Will have the vehicle in for routine maintenance in a couple of weeks, so will see what the brake pad status is at.

I've not heard of anything unusual in the length of brake pad life for the MDX.

kmwvma

Wife and I bought an MDX Feb 02 in Phoenix (live 3 hours away). My wife was putting up our sun shield and "barely touched" the rear view mirror and the plastic piece holding the mirror to the joint behind it disintegrated (actually came off in about 7 pieces). Now the rear view mirror is just hanging down, I secured it with some tape for the time being. Called Acura Client services and they said to take it to the local honda dealer, send a letter explaining what happened and they will "review" it. Went to the Honda dealer and it was $180.00 out of pocket, with the part on back order for at least 2 months! Wife is not happy since this is a safety issue, I'm not happy since I have another 200 bucks out of pocket after a 37K purchase. Question: anyone else hear of this problem? Will Acura pay me back for this since my dealer is 3 hours away?

texastim

I am currently leasing a 2000 Infiniti QX4. I got a great deal on it $419 per month, nothing out of pocket at the beginning. Well, I have enjoyed the vehicle and it hasn't cost a lot but it is gonna be turned back in this December ( $24k residual is too high to buy a car almost out of warranty). That low payment will be replaced by a much higher one - unfortunately. I started looking for a replacement. I gotta stay SUV ( I've hauled 8 x 80 pound bags of concrete, fence posts, furniture, 10 gallon shrubs, you name it). But I really need that 3rd row seat (albeit small seats). The QX4 gets pretty tight with one car seat and one booster seat in the back row. My research keeps pointing to the MDX as being the best out there ( and I trust Honda mechanically to build a sound car that goes for years - big plus).
I wasn't going to do anything until November since I am still in a lease but with the delays in getting a MDX I might consider going ahead and getting on the list.
How does that work? Do you give a cash deposit (if yes, please share amounts)? Do you have to take the car early if it comes in two months and not five or can I specify a date in November?
I might hold off a few months for the 2003. Do you lose the deposit if you change your mind? Do you agree on the entire deal now - amount, all options etc.?

will4271

I think that it depends on the dealer.

Some dealers have asked for a $500, $1000 deposit. IMO, I would not put more than $1000.

I have an order for a '03 MDX and I placed $1000 in May to get a good spot. My dealer will sell it at MSRP (price not known yet). Make sure your deposit is fully refundable in writing and you can decide when you can take delivery.

I think it never hurts to try early. Btw, some dealer already have a long list for the '03s.

texastim

Thanks Will4271, that is great info. Were the colors/options pretty much the same as the '02 when you selected your '03? I know there is talk of a bigger engine. Do you get the impression MSRP will not increase much? I'm sure Acura wants maximum dollars since the MDX has been so well received.

kai_ming

I put down a refundable deposit of $250 in May for Dec delivery (my spot in the line). MSRP with no other charges except
license fee and paper work charge for getting
the license. It works like this. The dealer
knows how many MDX they are getting per month.
By September, they will call me and I have
to make a decision if I want it or not. If not,
my spot will be eliminated i.e. the line is shorter by one. If I want it, an order will be placed. Morally, I could not then back out, but legally, I could.

will4271

I am not sure of the pricing for the '03. I think we will see the '03 sometime in late Sept. or Oct. timeline.

I think Honda will make its upscale line, Acura MDX, come with more features. Some rumors are a stronger engine, curtain airbags, High Intensity headlights, stability control, backup camera, better leather, rear DVD system (optional) .
But as anyone can tell you Honda is really not saying much or they haven't made their decision yet.

I guess the price will be somewhere be like a $300 to $2000 increase if they add all the new innovations. All of this is my guess. But Honda will be competitive with other auto manufacturers.

Since I have the '03 booked, I also can also switch to the '02 in the news if Acura mentions the surprise increase of $5000 or more for the '03(I doubt that though).

sbcooke

Just did a weekend road trip. Got about 18-19 MPG overall. I found the front seats not to be as comfortable over the long haul, as before. But after I moved the seat back an inch or so, I found a better position. Most of the discomfort I think comes from the common complaint of nowhere for the drivers left foot to rest, this kept my leg bent. After I slid the seat back and then the seat-back forward I was much more comfortable.

The auto-intermittent wiper feature is very useful. Especially with the rain and traffic. The fog lights are OK...they don't project that far forward, but they do add lighting, and seems to improve vision in the fog.

When getting my dad's propane tank re-filled, it slid sideways and crashed into the rear passenger door speaker. Cut a 2" gash in the cover, but didn't get the speaker. I mananged to mesh it back together, but something had to get scratched/broken sooner or later. The black interior gets dirty quickly too.

There is a little wind noise, but with the moonroof shade closed it is almost non-existent. Overall, the more I drive it, the more satisfied I am in my purchase. Well worth the money, it really delivers on what it is marketed and promoted as. Not only a family hauler, but an awesome driving experience, the handling is superb.

texastim

I have received emails from a dealer in Ft.Worth, ( check them out at MacChurchill.com) that has MDX's and offered MSRP and would throw in the accessories I wanted totaling about $500. Another one, David McDavid Acura of Plano, Texas has an internet special MSRP less $500 or with $500 of accessories. They both have vehicles in stock.

I'm going out to drive one tonight. I can't buy until November but hopefully I can get in line for a 2003.

kai_ming

A feature that we valued most is the top safety rating of mdx (BMW's X5 is # 1 and mdx is #2). In a roll-over, will the moon roof be torn away thus exposing the heads to pavement? Will appreciate your opinion.

wmquan

Hmmm I've never heard about the moonroof being an issue in a rollover. I guess some glass might break, but that's probably the least of the worries. In that drastic scenario you described, even if you don't have a moonroof, the compressed roof of the vehicle will take care of the heads!

The main issue in a roll-over is how much the roof caves in, starting especially with the A-pillars, B-pillars, and C-pillars.

There isn't enough info on how resistant the MDX is to roof crushing. I've seen photos (on another discussion system) of one MDX rollover, and its performance was impressive. However, it was just a 1x rollover and it's hard to compare rollover photos from one accident with another (you don't know all the circumstances of the rollover).

I have seen, unfortunately, two sets of X5 rollover pictures that were frightening. Plenty of collapse in the A-pillars, IIRC. I've also seen some bad RX300 rollover photos with similar bad crushing of the roof. But again, it's hard to compare different accidents without more info.

The MB ML320 is probably the best at staying intact in a rollover. Plenty of MB testing on the roof. The new Volvo XC90 may be even better at that particular aspect. It has boron-reinforced steel in the roof structure and other measures (e.g. the side curtains stay inflated longer). And of course it has stability control and a type of rollover control to help prevent the rollover-triggering event in the first place.

aggiebart

Bought a 02 Touring. It has 1200 miles now. I am hearing a rythmic chirping/squeaking at all speeds even idling. It's a short chirp about 1/3 of a second at a time. Could a belt be lose or rubbing on something...

When I pop the hood I could not hear it. But it's definetly coming from the engine comparment..

aggiebart

Has anyone found them for a reasonable price?

wmquan

www.hondacuraworld.com sells them for $520 (list is $669), with a $2 handling charge, free shipping.

Personally, I'm not that enthused with how they look, but it's a matter of taste. Hondacuraworld can have their body shop color-match the flares for an additional charge. I bought a tailgate deflector from them that was color-matched to my vehicle.

ksoman

I have a 03 Pilot booked, slated to come in in august sometime. Well optioned out, this EX-L with nav inched up to about 37,500 and then the tax and tag. I was able to strike a deal at 100 bux under MSRP + all options at MSRP, though the guys were asking 2K over MSRP. But I would like to hold out for a 03 MDX if there's an incentive to put another 5-6K and get an Acura. A lot of Pilot options are as yet unavailable on the MDX, like rear park sensors, rear park camera that integrates into the NAV display, etc. My only hopes are these options would be either integrated or available on the 03 MDX, and the MDX might offer higher HP/torque as an incentive to plunk down a good 5-10 K more on the car. Any info... and when will honda finally roll out some decent colors???

ksso

newsuvbuyer2

I just had the exact same problem with my MDX. Only have it for 5K miles, and the rear view mirror is now just hanging there. Not looking forward to the replacement experience...

bengelking

What sticker price are you looking at? You can get an MDX touring for $37,300.

fedlawman

Buy the MDX and add aftermarket rear parking sensors for a couple hundred dollars.

You'll also get a nicer interior, moonroof, memory seats, etc.