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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    The only time I have really noticed a real need or difference was while traveling through the mountains. Holding the shift points longer and downshifting earlier made the truck much more responsive.
  • ostazostaz Member Posts: 80
    I need to add fog/aux lights to my 99 Trooper S. I would like something that fits in the "factory" cut-out, similar to what the LS has. Does any one know of an after-market light that will work?

    BTW, I replaced the main light bulb with a Xenon 85/65(instead of the standard Halogen), but I don't really see the difference, other than it "white" light.

    Thanks
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    I put Hellas in the front cut-outs of a 2000 Trooper and they worked great. They are a lttle too large with the black trim around them to fit all the way in the cut-outs, but they will fit in there most of the way and make for a very secure installation. I suggest that you go to a shop that carries them and manually try to place one in the cut-outs before you buy them to make sure you like the way they fit in there. They provide great lighting and I'm sure you'll like them once installed.
  • ostazostaz Member Posts: 80
    cmuniz, which model # Hellas do you have?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "In a desperate attempt to spark sales, American Isuzu Motors Inc. is changing its advertising strategy and its agency.


    No longer will the automaker promote a brand image. Instead, all advertising will have a hard-sell retail message."


    Sinking Isuzu grabs ad lifeline


    Steve, Host

  • 96_i30_5sp96_i30_5sp Member Posts: 127
    Thank God they decided to retire Joe Isuzu, that guy was doing more damage than good for the brand. I feel bad for current Rodeo and Axiom drivers as the new pricing will further hurt their truck values but I don't think Trooper drivers would suffer much. In fact, once the rental companies run out of Troopers to dump on the auctions, resale value may even go up.
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    I installed the Hella 530s and they were about $70 plus installation.
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    I agree that they should price the vehicles for what they are selling them - these thousands$$ discounts, while seemingly good for the individual buyer, hurt the brand and thus resale values. Maybe if the brand name becomes stronger and better know used Isuzu values will go up some. They are very good vehicles with outsanding durability. Under most conditions that would indicate strong resale values. I intend to keep my current Axiom for a long time, as long as I can get it service without a big hassle.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    I think the last part of that article spells trouble for Isuzu. They are still going to emphasize the Ascender.

    Isuzu, are you listenning?

    Instead of the Ascender how about the Astro Van with a 3L 250 ft-lb. torque diesel and a slighlty narrower interior engine housing and & TOD 4WD.? That would fit much better with the sell quality per dollar than trying to compete with four bigger GM brands also selling the Ascender. An Isuzu medium size van that can tow and get good MPG would allow GM to quit selling a medium size van. Isuzu could add a 120VAC and compressed air auxiliaries and make this mid size van a favorite with the huge "white van with ladder on top" crowd. It would also be a favorite beach fishing van with TOD and the air compressor.

    And the Astro is utilitarian square, Isuzu should push the utility of their vehicles and emphasize that square is beautiful for utility.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    Isuzu are you listenning?

    I forgot to mention in order to make the Isuzu Astro van more practical, a tighter turning circle like the Trooper's 38 feet is needed. And do it low tech with just the front wheels steering so the price stays low and for simple reliability.
  • peterismepeterisme Member Posts: 68
    My 99 Trooper has 50K miles now and the original Bridgestone runs OK. But I plan to replace them before this winter (yes, I live in Chicago and winter is hash.)

    I checked out tirerack.com, they rank Yokohama Geolandar H/T Y816 pretty high (much higher than Bridgestone.) Can you experts give me some suggestions in choocing safe tires? Which brand do you recommend/use?

    Thanks!
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I put Bridgestone Dueler A/T's on mine. I compared Tireracks prices, and brought them into the firestone place. They matched pricing...i.e. If I bought them from Tirerack, I would have to pay $20 for installation balancing, etc., so we netted out what the total would be if I had them shipped in from tirerack, shipping, etc. and then we just made the total the same, which was at least $100 cheaper than the store prices.

    Mine are too new to say I would get them again...but they look cool, and work well onroad and good offroad. I went with a larger size 265/70's and had the white lettering turned inside, to keep the stock look.

    I didn't get yokohama's due to availability...i.e. if I get a flat somewhere they may not have them in stock. If I had to do it again, I would probably spend the extra dollars and get the BFG All Terrain TA/KO's or a road biased Michelin SUV tire...though the Bridgestones provide a near stock ride...for an A/T tire they are as quiet as highway tires. The BFG's not only are premium A/T tires but great in the snow. They are worse highway tires.

    If you go with a larger size, try to get a deal replacing the spare...I got $71 credit on my brand new spare and my spare is now the same as the tires on the truck.
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Member Posts: 377
    Just got back from a 600 mile trip this weekend. Anyone drive through Tennessee this weekend? The weather was frightening! The winds were blowing from the South at about 30 mph gusting to maybe 50. The Trooper made the trip somewhat un-nerving. Those gusts would just push it side to side, you had to keep a tight reign on the wheel, to stay in your lane!! I noticed the truckers really having difficulty keeping a straight line too.
    The good part about this was the surprising gas mileage I got on this trip. Before leaving I did an oil change with fresh Mobil 1 5W-30, aired the tires to 35 psi, and installed a new air filter. Oh yeah, did a tire rotation which probably didn't figure into the mpg thing. Anyway, driving about 70-72 mph I pulled down 21 mpg!! This is the 2001 S, 2WD, and shes got 20K miles on her now. I was really surprised by the mileage. It's strange what backing away from 75-80 mph does for the fuel consumption on this truck. At those higher speeds mileage drops to about 17-18. I also noticed that the RPM's are barely over 2500 at 72 mph. I believe at 75 mph the RPM's are pushing 2700.

    Surprising mpg for a vehicle this heavy and this boxey. Quality and mileage to boot!! Who could ask for more??

    Now, just how do I get this kind of performance out of the 99' 4WD Performance Trooper??????
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    The answer to the question you posed at the end of your post is, "You don't!" That's awfully good mileage. To get 20 mpg on our 98 Troop w/TOD, I'd probably need to drive a constant 60 mph. And I'm not willing to drive that slow.

    Just be glad you weren't injured or killed by a tornado during your trip. It sounds like many people in TN and surrounding states were less fortunate than you.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    So do you guys think that an Isuzu observer actually read these Edmunds threads?
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    I usually get about 20-21mpg on highway cruising with a 2000 3.5 V6. The best I had ever seen with it was 25mpg, on one trip from the Snowy Mountains. I have never managed to repeat that performance.

    The car was 8 months old at the time, with about 10000kms (6000 miles) on the clock. I had filled up at Jindabyne and did 500kms (or 300 miles)on half a tank according to the fuel gauge, varying between 100-130km/h. Then did a normal week and a half of commuting before filling up again. A total of 800km or 480 miles, I can only guess that there was something different about the load of fuel that was purchased, as it was bought in an alpine area. It could have been a different formulation to the normal suburban stuff.

    I have also since found that the Isuzu V6 runs leaner in cold weather. Actually, it runs richer in hot weather to reduce combustion chamber temperatures and avoid piston and valve damage. So as intake air temp lowers, the amount of fuel used to operate also drops and the engine can run leaner. The higher the air temp, the more fuel used to preserve the motor. Interesting bit of trivia I thought.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    I agree that it is coincidence re this piece of press, and the recent messages here about marketing and prices. But I'm always amused by coincidence. :-)

    I'm still apprehensive about what Holden's plans are for the Jackaroo. Lots of rumours, some conflicting, but nothing solid to go on.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    So do you guys think that an Isuzu observer actually read these Edmunds threads?

    I think they'd be foolish not to - IMHO, of course! :-)

    tidester, host
  • jrr2kjrr2k Member Posts: 35
    Nice to see Isuzu is dumping Joe Isuzu. I am excited to see what they come up with next.
    Thanks for the link Steve.

    "Scena said the company's new marketing strategy is the best it has had since he became a dealer in 1988. "We don't need the branding of Isuzu," he said. "Branding will come from getting vehicles on the road."

    Smart!!

    Glad to know I'm not the only one who uses power mode for the hell of it.
    I hope to use the winter mode this weekend. Mt. Hood is getting dumped on! Anyone find winter mode useful? Or is it just a gimmick for people who don't drive in the snow?
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    I've found it useful, esp. when starting on ice. Locks the tranny in 3rd gear until 17 mph is hit, and then you're in regular D or 3 again. Sometimes, no matter how light your foot is, 1st gear and ice = tire spinnage (atleast in 2WD). I've never had a need for it in 4X4 though (I have a part time system, not TOD).
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Whoever was looking for tires, what do you use your truck for? Offroad/onroad? etc.

    -mike
  • cwmosercwmoser Member Posts: 227
    20-21 mpg? 25mpg? What did you guys put in your gas tank? Or, what are you smoking :-)

    I keep detailed gas records for my 1999 Trooper, drive it gentle and mostly highway but never ever have I got 20mpg -- it has always been in the teens ranging from 15 - 19 but mostly around 17mpg. If you get in the 20+ mpg, you must have a tail wind, going downhill, and burning something other than regular petrol.
  • sdc2sdc2 Member Posts: 780
    I have never found a need for it...and I live in Minnesota!
  • sdc2sdc2 Member Posts: 780
    I have to second what cwmoser said. I have never gotten mileage that good, high teens at best. Of course, I usually go 7-8 mph over the speed limit, and wind drag is huge on a Trooper, especially a lifted one. 10 mph slower would make a big difference in gas mileage.
  • peterismepeterisme Member Posts: 68
    Hi, Mike:
    98% of the miles I ran on my Trooper in on Road. I commute 25 miles one-way each day. about 17 miles interstate (in Chicago which = traffic jam) 3 miles inner city street (= you have to dodge crazy people and 88 year old Chevy) and about 5 mile suburban street (at 40 MPH). As you know, Chicago has a lot of snow and ice in winter.

    So what's your suggestion on tire choice?

    Thanks!

    Peter
  • ostazostaz Member Posts: 80
    Australia could have different fuel emission standards, hence the difference.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Michelin Cross Terrain SUV tires would be my choice for the "best" you can get for your driving habits.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    My 1995 3.2L SOHC Trooper gets 18.5 to 20.0 on the highway at 72 mph. I get 16.5 to 17.5 around town. I get 11.2 MPG towing a 4000# trailer 72 MPH.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    was 21mpg with a stock 2000 Trooper @ 50-55mph and 5 psi over stock prssure. @ 75-77mph I get 15-17mpg.

    -mike
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    The siping makes snow tires out of regular tires by adding lots more edges. If siping works all year round, what is different about driving siped tires compared to driving snow tires year round? The reviews of the Blizzack snow tires are great.
  • tetonmantetonman Member Posts: 73
    My wife just called to let me know our '99 Trooper's battery died. She called Isuzu R.A. and was treated very nicely. They called a truck to help her get the car started (and pull it out of our garage to do so...) and will tow to Stillwell Isuzu by our house if it is more than the battery.
    My wife said they were very courteous and explained that the coverage is for 6 years/55,000 miles up to $200 per occurence.

    Needless to say this was good to hear as my wife is due with our third child any day now... (and yes, three car seats do fit in the Trooper with no third row!) ;)

    I would think that this part of the Isuzu experience would make a good part of the advertising campaign...
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Good news about the service. The battery just died on my 1999 too. Be careful always flatbed the truck rather than tow.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    My point exactly, the Trooper, besides being a great off road vehicle and extremely reliable is a great family station wagon. And Isuzu should sell it that way.

    Try getting a family with 3 car seats and a doublewide stroller into the other mid size SUVs without a third row. If the third row is needed for car seats where will the stroller get stowed inside the other mid size SUVs?

    If they must include sexy in the advertisement then just say you have plenty of room in back before during and after considerable amounts of it.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    Different emmission standards may well be the case. For example, the Jackaroo here does not have drive-by-wire or grade logic. That doesn't explain why we would use less fuel though. You would expect to attain lower emmissions, you would need to burn less fuel more efficiently, not more.

    That 25mpg trip was totally out of the ordinary and has not been repeatable. Another possible explanation is that it was travelling from inland about 1800m above sea level, to the coast. So it was an overall downhill trip all the way.

    Like I said earlier, 20-21mpg seems to be more the go when highway cruising without much traffic around me.

    My (wife's) normal day-to-day commute figures are nowhere near that good. Around 15-16mpg, in a stop start situation, covering only about 8 miles total per day.
  • pugger1pugger1 Member Posts: 42
    I just returned from a trip to pick-up my new counter tops for the kitchen. The top was 6 foot long and without the seats, ( they take about 5 minutes to remove) the top fit right in. Along with two cabinets, trim, and our two dogs in their kennels. The Trooper has plenty of room.

    I had the local dealer replace an arm rest cover last week end and was suprised to find out that the replacement was all leather. The job was a snap and I was glad to get it put on. The color matched the seats (beige) but it did not match the other arm rest on the passenger seat. The dealer ordered another one so they would be the same.

    Support has been great from Isuzu so for. I sure hope it lasts for the next ten years. I am at least hopeful because of the ad agent change that they are trying to fix things. The GM product will not serve the line well however. GM makes a poor SUV.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    GM actually managed to get some SUVs on CR's recommended list this time around (Tahoe, Yukon, etc.).

    Steve, Host
  • pugger1pugger1 Member Posts: 42
    I test drove GM, Toyota, Mits, Nissan, and Ford before we bought the Trooper. The GM was by far the poorest of the lot. List or no list the product is just poor. Cheap inside and out. I hope the new Isuzu is a cut above the rest.
    Philip
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    Did you test the GM versions of the Ascender?

    I think GM does a good job with the engine and transmission for nice combination of power and MPG. But I agree that GM takes out every penny in production resulting in less quality. Economy of scale taken a little bit too far... GM always rides the edge.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Needless to say this was good to hear as my wife is due with our third child any day now...

    This could give a whole new meaning to roadside assistance! Best wishes and early congratulations!

    tidester, host
  • pugger1pugger1 Member Posts: 42
    I did not test drive the Ascender, I would have if it had been available. I am reasonably sure that it would feel very much like the sister ships. The Trooper is a sound, comfortable vehicle that rides and drives very well. The test drive experience is a good test but ownership is the only way to get the real feel for a vehicle.

    I traded a 2000 GMC truck in for my Trooper and was really glad to see the GMC go. The quality was not as good as I had anticipated and the service was very poor. I was however most disapointed with the warranty service. Dealers could only compound a problem, not fix it. At best they put a patch on your vehicle and sent you down the road. I have not been treated that way from Isuzu dealers as of yet and hope that I do not.

    I purchased the Trooper for the long haul. I hope that I am not disapointed.
  • beer47beer47 Member Posts: 185
    I can't speak about the Trailblazer, but I would consider another Tahoe after my Trooper. They are more $ however. The large P/U platforms from GM and Ford are pretty tough and Lord knows they do sell a few. I have heard quite a few complaints about the new Trailblazer and I would not be enamored of the way part of the front end is routed through the oil pan. All I want on an oil pan is a gasket and drain plug. Having things routed through it means seals that will eventually leak. It's a shame, my Trooper has been terrific. I would have purchased another given the opportuinity a couple yers from now.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    I agree it is a shame about Troopers getting discontinued. I hope that Isuzu can get some profitability back somehow and since they were kind enough not to abuse the Trooper name on the Ascender it could through some miracle come back.

    This time maybe it will be Australian made by Holden instead of Isuzu and could be sold in the USA as the Hummer Jackaroo with a standard snorkel, 33 inch tires, and turbo 6L gas engine and an as an Isuzu Trooper with an adaquate diesel hybrid and ultra high MPG and a CD player.
  • catmanducatmandu Member Posts: 53
    Been in the Colorado mountains since June--good to be back in the Ozarks, looks like the format for this has changed a little (or maybe its my memory. Anyway, its time to change fluids ,according to the owners book. I have an 01 4WD Trooper with standard transmission. Can the average bear change the fluids in the two differentals and transfer case in the garage and who has the right oil . Would like to try it myself. Any help would help. THANKS!
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    If only someone would come up with some all-terrain tyres that won't disintegrate at the speed a turbo 6L will be flying at!
  • breakorbreakor Member Posts: 398
    Catmandu, changing the fluids you mentioned is relatively simple. Here are a few of my pointers -


    Always pull the fill plug first. If you pull the drain plug first and then find the fill plug to be stuck you have a problem and an empty reservoir.


    Buy a cheap hand pump (around $6 IIRC) that screws on to your fluid bottles. While not Walmart type items, any auto parts store should have them. I like the ones that fit gallon size containers rather than qt size bottles. They pump faster and the fluids are usually cheaper in gallon size containers.


    Use a big catch pan to minimize spills.


    As to which oil, use the API range specified in the owners manual. You may want to use synthetics. Whereas motor oil is changed in only a few months, gear type oils may stay in there for years. Thus the incremental cost versus conventional oil has a much longer payback time.


    The front diff drain plug is the cover bolt on the bottom that is slightly different looking.


    FWIW, I generally like to drain fluids when cool. This not only prevents burns it also gives particles plenty of time to settle to the bottom of the reservoir being drained. Depending on how cold it is where you live, that may not be real practical as the gear oil can be too thick when cold. You may also want to keep your new oil inside your heated house untill just before you try to pump it in.


    I would consider doing the tranny while you are at it. Also, the shift-on-the-fly unit (front drive line driver's side) has a maintenance schedule, although it is more of a check oil level.


    Also, I tend to add in the first couple of pumps of new oil with the drain plug out. The theory being that it will help wash out any remaining particles.


    Lastly, next time consider posting such questions in the "Maintenance and Repair" section - /direct/view/.eea1204

  • izooperizooper Member Posts: 5
    I took my 98 trooper to the dealer for oil change

    (it's free) and found out that the dealer is no

    longer selling Isuzu anymore. and was told sooner

    or later I need to go elsewhere for services.

    this is very bad news for Isuzu owners. This was

    the only Isuzu dealer in Brooklyn(population > 2 million)!


    My biggist complain is the mileage.

    I keep detailed mpg records for my 1998 Trooper.

    I drive gently and mostly local. I get about 10 mpg on local, close to 19 on hightway. I even get

    9 mpg in cold winter.

    I came across this fuel saving product: Hercules Jr. Fuel Activators. Anyone heard of it?

    http://www.cyberbizpark.com/HJ_main.htm

  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    izooper, is that city driving all short distances? If the engine never warms up, like on trips less than 10 minutes, your MPG will suffer greatly on any gasoline powered vehicle. This is because the cold engine parts tend to condense the fuel out of the fuel-air mixture and the fuel mixes less thouroughly with the air in the first place causing less efficient fuel use. Also the cold engine and transmission and gears are harder to turn so more fuel required for that until its warmed up.

    Someone I know has a 2 mile commute to work (I think in NY City that's about how far you walk after you park as close as possible to where you want to go). He has one of those computers that tells MPG while driving, he gets 7 MPG over those 2 miles on a cold engine. On the highway all warmed up the same car gets 32+ MPG.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    My suggestion is to use Open Road Isuzu in Edison NJ, great service so far. I bought my Trooper at SI Subaru/Isuzu.

    10mpg is way low, I get about 11-12 with my bigger tires on. Definitely need to hookup with more NYC/NJ/LI Trooper owners.

    -mike
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    These things always smell of snake oil to me. If they're so great, the manufacturers would offer them.

    More here:

    "The accessories to improve mileage and extend engine life"

    Steve, Host
  • bawbcatbawbcat Member Posts: 118
    Stuff like that is usually snake oil. If it actually worked and had verifiable results, car manufacturers would snap it up in a second. They spend millions of dollars in efforts to reduce emissions and improve MPG.
    The fact that this is being offered by a po-dunk company who can't even afford a decent web site should make you skeptical. Buyer beware.
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