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Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna



  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Subaru was one of the major manufacturers to start DISHONEST advertising when they began calling a small 4 wheel drive station wagon an SUV. :mad:

    Too many people do NOT know the difference between a REAL pickup and a small Light Utility Vehicle because of false advertising. Same with AWD vs 4 WD.

    Honda CR-V vs Ford Explorer: NO Comparison. Are they the same type vehicle?

    Isn't the CR-V built on a Front Wheel Drive car frame with AWD optional while the Explorer is built on a Rear Wheel Drive truck frame with 4 Wheel Drive optional? :confuse:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru never said SUV, they said Sport Utility Wagon. They pitched themselves as an SUV alternative, not just another SUV.

    And what about 2WD SUVs, are they still SUVs?

    Heck, the whole SUV label is a misnomer, what Sports do they practice, exactly? At least Subaru competes in WRC.

    Explorers aren't particularly good off road, so that may not be the best example.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Thanks for the corrections. I had misinterpreted the Subaru ads and I agree with you 100 % concerning SUVs and Explorers.

    Things have become very murky now that there are no longer just cars and trucks. :shades:
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 226
    Not even on the Touring Model.
    See the following Canadian Specifications web.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Wow, did not know that. Thanks for linking me.

    Best regards,

  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    WHY do you get preferential treatment in Canada? :confuse:

    I noticed that DaimlerChrysler has also had better options for the Grand Caravan and T&C than we get in the USA. My "built in Canada" 2002 Chrysler T&C LX had zero defects while my "superior"? Toyota Sienna made in the USA had the right side 2nd row seat installed incorrectly. Don't even get me talking about your SUPERIOR health care in Canada compared to the overpriced system in the USA which resulted from too many lobbyists in Washington DC.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Same with Subarus for Canada.

    The WRX has offered heated seats since 2002, and you don't have to get a loaded model, either.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    Forgive me, Karen, for getting way off topic here and addressing this, but Explorer vs. CR-V is apples and oranges.

    Oh, here's how to stay on topic. It's like comparing an Astro or Aerostar with a Ody, Sienna, Entourage, Sedona, oh heck even a Caravan! Body on frame vs. Unibody, front wheel drive vs. rwd, etc.

    BTW, I am a big fan of BOTH the CRV and Explorer. ;)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Can't compare Odyssey and Sienna with Entourage and Sedona unless it is changed to read Compare Odyssey and Sienna Quality with Entourage and Sedona Junk. :shades:

    The Astro and Aerostar were classified as minivans although they had MORE interior space on a shorter vehicle than the current Odyssey and Sienna.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    More interior space? I'm surprised. Cargo space I could see, but overall usable space - I just can't see it. But my point was more about how different all newer minivans (at least those sold here in the States) are very different to their predecessors.

    An eight hour trip is no biggie in any of the new vans. The same trip in an Astro and you'd need orthopedic surgery. We rented an Astro once for a family vacation and I did most of the driving - not a pleasant experience.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Astro was built up in Baltimore, not far from me. They closed the plant, though. It was trucky and met the needs of contractors and other fleet buyers, but not consumers.
  • josm100josm100 Posts: 30
    Do you own an Entourage? If you do not then I don't beleve you have enough information to make these statements. I own an entourage and can safely say that your comment is way off base. Nor is it supported by reviews and owner reports across the web. Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd have to agree. Even though I chose a Sienna, the Sedona I test drove was certainly competitive and offered a good value. It's far from being "junk".
  • 11b33t11b33t Posts: 51
    +1...another case of owner smack talking...
  • shaky4shaky4 Posts: 25
    I own an entourage too and have absolutely no regrets, NONE!! And on the day I bought mine I would have purchased any of the top four in my list meeting my requirements (not in order), namely Sienna, Odyssey, Sedona or Entourage. And the NVH levels in Entourage/Sedona are extremely low, and quality top notch, as confirmed by numerous quality/safety awards and positive reviews across the web!! Please refrain from making emotional statements.

  • I agree regrets. But, my Entourage has had a few recalls; A/C compressor pulley making noise, idler arm pulley making noise and most troublesome was when we got stranded by the ECU going out and not being able to start the van. My van is an early production model so recalls are inevitable and things are working great now. But it;s so comfortable and smooth riding that the wife and I just love it. And a terrific value too. Although I got to admit, that the vehicle this van replaced, a Honda Accord, never saw the dealer again after we drove it off the lot...
  • josm100josm100 Posts: 30
    we have a later production model Entourage and thankfuly (touch wood) have had no problems yet. I think all models have their problems including the Sienna and Odyssey, just look at their forums. IMO anyone considering a new import car will do very well looking at Hyundai and save a lot of money.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Early ones also had some vibration/alignment problems, but Hyundai finally issued a TSB. Not while I was shopping, though, so that was a small factor in my decision to buy something else.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Posts: 5,095
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  • shupeshupe Posts: 1
    Earlier comments or worries about rapid slowing of Sedona when taking foot off gas. That braking only happens under 40 mph. Cruise over 40 if possible for freewheeling.
  • I've been looking at an Entourage limited with Sunroof package and a Honda Odyssey EX-L--I consider them to be roughly similarly equipped for our purposes.

    Last "final" quotes I got were surprising:

    Honda Odyssey-EX-L: $27,536
    Hyundai Entourage Limited: $27,216 (including the rebate)

    The local Hyundai dealership has not been willing to deal at all, despite having eleven 2007 Entourages in their lot and the 2008s on the way. The Honda dealership is openly trying to get rid of the Odysseys to make room for the 2008s.

    My price (my calculated price to pay based on invoice, rebate, etc.) for the Entourage was $24,281 including the rebate, but the dealer won't even come close. Even without further negotiating, the Odyssey is within $50 of "my" price.

    I went into this planning on getting the Hyundai--we have an XG300L and a Santa Fe now and are big fans of the automaker--and you just can't beat the standard features (both safety, warranty and otherwise) for the money. However, with the pricing we're getting on the Honda, I may choose that one. Never thought I would.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    In five years from now you won't regret buying the Honda. We love our Odyssey and have had few problems with it. The price you stated sounds very good. I am surprised at the Hyundai dealer not being more flexible. Most of what I've heard about them has been positive.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That dealer needs a reality check. Just look at residual values for both.

    I think your $24.8k is entirely realistic. In fact when I looked at Limited models I remember them being right about that much, $25k.

    Shop at, they will have much better prices, and they have a Hyundai store.
  • This dealer has been very difficult from the beginning, and I would prefer not to do business with them if at all possible because of the typical "car salesman" approach they use. Unfortunately, the two dealerships within 50 miles of me are both owned by the same people.

    I'm getting some quotes from dealers farther away--well I'm trying to. It's amazing to me that some don't even respond to the requests.

    Thanks for the fitzmall reference. I'll give them a try.

    I think I can go lower on the Odyssey--my "low" price was before I knew about the $2000 dealer incentive Honda is offering. Still, though, it's not a bad price.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you want to compare no-haggle Honda prices in the same region, try:

    They have a Honda store. Just make sure to add freight and processing, since they do not include those.
  • Does anyone know what Fitzmall's delivery range is? I can't find the information anywhere on their website.


  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not sure...maybe call them up? My family has purchased about 5 cars from them and every experience was a good one.
  • ocuihsocuihs Posts: 138
    reliability BEST AND WORST

    Consumer Reports ranked predicted reliability of 2008 models based on survey results from previous years. Here are the magazine’s two best and worst picks for predicted reliability in each segment:

    Best: Pontiac Vibe, Scion xB
    Worst: Chevrolet Uplander, Hyundai Entourage

    Full article at
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They need to separate those classes. Which is the best van? Which is the worst wagon? :confuse:
  • Well I purchased my first mini-van about six months ago and before I made my decision I went and looked at them all. The Ody was really the "nicest" out the bunch but also demanded the most amount of cash. I live in Puerto Rico and we have to pay an excise tax on all vehicles. The amount is determined by the cost of the vehicle. So the starting price on the Ody started at 32,000 / Sienna stared at 29,500 and the Sedona was only 23,500. I got the Sedona lx long wheel base with cloth a roof rack, tinted windows, and all the the standard stuff. I honestly was very impressed by the Sedona with it's power and ride. Not as agile as the Ody but just as much power and i have neen getting as advertised 18/25. That is great considering I use the a/c every time I drive it. The Sienna does get better mpg but with the price difference it would take me about 15 years to make up the cost difference in fuel savings. All three vans are nice but for my needs the Sedona was the choice. Ah yes and I added HID for $125.00 off of ebay.
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