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2008 Volvo XC70/V70



  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    So many rattles with the 08 model compared to my 02. I thought this vehicle would be tight as drum. Most of the noise comes from the new rear hatch. Why change the things that work? I think Volvo should have went the extra mile with this new model and tried to cut the vehicle weight to make it more nimble. Fuel has been averaging 13.3 per/100 KMs. Not great by any means. I expected better. Thinking of trading it for a new 2007 model.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    What kind of driving are you doing that gives 13.3 L/100km? This is 17.7 mpgUS or 21.2 mpgUK. Based on my experience with the 3.2L inline 6-cyl in a 2007 XC90, I would think you would get 8.4 L/100km on the highway with the '08 V70 (28 mpgUS and 34 mpgUK).

    The 3.2L inline-6 ought to be a much better engine over the long haul than any of the 5-cyl ones. And the '08 V70 has a shorter turning radius than the older model. Of course the 3.2 is not going to get as good a fuel economy as the non turbo 5-cyl, but it may be about as good as the turbo ones.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    I actually drive mostly highway. I average 110-120 kph or 70 mph. This XC70 is heavier than the old version and if I had my time back I would have kept my old XC. I just had it in for its first service ($200.00). The power tailgate has given out, been in twice for this now and still not working (only 10K on the car). The old saying is "don't fix that which is not broken", Volvo imo did just that. The car is heavier, thirstier and now more breakdowns. Luckily I've got warranty but then again for the price of the car I and the brand I shouldn't have to be concerned.

    Volvo should have looked to make the car they had lighter, faster and more efficient yet still comfortable. I believe that Ford ownership has done little to keep the Volvo image of reliability and quality alive. This thing creeks like an old rocking chair on a bad floor. Do yourself a favour and buy a German car. This is my last Volvo.
  • cohenfivecohenfive Member Posts: 85
    we have a 3 year old subi legacy gt limited wagon and my wife has been looking for something a bit more 'upscale' so i suggested we look at the redesigned v70 wagon. we have never been in a volvo before as i always found them too 'stodgy', and recently some have had less than stellar service histories...but since she doesn't want a german car, and we've owned many saabs over the years, thought it might be time to have an open mind and so we went to our local volvo dealer.

    on the plus side, i'd say the v70 isn't bad looking. it's no audi, but inside and out has improved a lot. the interior fit and finish are really nice, and my wife found the seats to be pretty comfy (a big problem for her--short legs/long torso). there are some nice features on the car as well (power rear liftback, some of the 'tiedown' stuff back there, etc).

    we went for a test drive in the car and she generally liked the way it drove--solid but without harshness. but here we expose one of the real weaknesses of the v70--the drivetrain. in what is meant to be this price class ($40k msrp on the car we drove) this is a decidedly mediocre drivetrain. not much power with pretty lousy fuel economy. volvo/ford need to take a pick here--either offer an engine/transmission that shines in terms of power or one that does well on fuel. by my read the v70 isn't even all that heavy, so it must be the engine itself. they need something like the vw 2.0t/dsg combo, which we have in one of our other cars and is a great combo of decent power with good efficiency.

    so the powertrain is a big negative in my book, and the other is price. i don't know how big the discounts are on this car, but to me this should be more like a $30k rather than a $40k vehicle, especially with the lack of some features (xenon, ipod interface, etc) as standard equipment.

    so i think we're going to stick with the subi for now, and maybe will look for a good used one in the $20's somewhere. we didn't get into price with the dealer so maybe the discounts are huge, which i think they need to be to move these cars.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    My wife has an 07 XC90 with the same 3.2L inline-six as in the 08 V70. This is the new Volvo-Ford short inline six or si6, max 235 hp and about 235 lb-ft torque. It is very smooth and allows actual 24-26 mpg hwy in the XC90 at 65-70 mph. I would bet that in the V70 it will give close to 30 mpg highway at 70 mph, driven carefully. I get 34 mpg hwy at 75 mph in my 04 V70 168 hp 2.4L 5A.

    The 6A tranny in the 08 V70 is probably made by Aisin in Japan and ought to be very good. Want to accelerate in the V70? Lay into the accelerator with abandon. The engine is designed to give decent mpg driven carefully and to deliver hp and torque when you want it.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Finally have the power tailgate fixed after five visits to Volvo Service. They had to replace the complete motor.

    Just when I thought my troubles had ended, the power steering fails on start up. I have to turn the car off and restart to remedy the problem. I took the XC to Volvo and they say it requires a sensor changer or something replaced. Part is on order and will take several weeks to arrive as it is not readily available.

    So here I have a new car and it has been back to the dealer six times. I'm pissed and have written to Volvo Canada. I now distrust this car and Volvo. My last, next will be Japanese.

    The fuel economy on this car is terrible. I might as well be driving a truck.
  • cohenfivecohenfive Member Posts: 85
    sorry to hear about your problems but you are unfortunately highlighting some of what my review was mentioning...possible bad reliability and bad fuel economy. the v70 is rated 16/24, pretty lousy even these days for a car with only 235 hp....and there's no way to get 30 mpg on the highway at 70 mph as someone above stated, unless you are measuring on a drive coming down out of the mountains...i think the new epa ratings are getting pretty close to real world experience now, and going 6 mpg above the highway estimate is just not going to happen.

    anyway, we're sticking with the subi for now. it isn't that fuel efficient either (19/25 epa on ours) but it is fast as heck and generally fun to drive..although not as nice inside as the v70.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Thanks. I got a call from Volvo Canada yesterday. They wondered why I was upset that my car only had two problems which are being repaired under warranty. I indicated that Volvo is supposedly a premium car, that I am very disappointed with the quality thus far. I noted my dissatisfaction with the fuel economy as well. Had I held out for the T6, I would have at least had some fun for my money.

    I doubt Volvo will do anything to ease my pissed attitude. Next car will not be a Volvo. 19/25 sounds good from where I'm sitting.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    Does your Subaru have head curtain airbags? I believe that the structural stength of the passenger compartment of the Subarus is excellent, but when I looked at Subarus many of the models didn't have the head curtain air bags. Head curtain bags are extremely protective of the occupants of a vehicle hit from the side.
  • antrow1antrow1 Member Posts: 4
    I feel your pain. Volvo Customer Care is worthless, nothing more then lip service.

    I ended up hiring an attorney to file a lemon law claim. You have to check your state to see what qualifies as a Lemon. The attorney did not bill me for anything and I ended up settling with Volvo for a good amount of money, they fixed the car and I am keeping it until the end of the lease.

    This is a last resort but it does work. My car seems to be fine now.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Canada doesn't have lemon laws. If this car continues to be trouble I will get rid of it. I am wearing the starter out because I have to start the engine twice each time I use the car to get the steering to work.

    Given the competition in the auto industry I think Volvo would be wise to hang on to each and every customer.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    If I understand you correctly, each and every time you start the car, the PS is inactive unless you start it, shut it off and then restart it?

    And the dealer has not been able to correct this?

    That would be a completely unacceptable condition to me, and I think I am reasonable and have no axe to grind about Volvo. Does the 2008 XC70 have electric PS?

    Suppose you switch the key to the run position, pause momentarily (try different delay times) and then switch to the start position. Is the PS active? That is I am suggesting testing whether a brief time delay would make a difference.

    The reason I suggest this is that with my 04 V70, if I use the key to unlock the driver door, and then quickly open the door, then the alarm begins sounding. But if I pause before opening the door then the alarm isn't triggered. So it may be that there are some timing delays in inactivating, or in the case of the PS, activating some systems. If this were the case it would not be ideal, but it would be much better than having to use the starter twice.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    The 08 model does not have the same ignition type as the outgoing model. It has a key fob and a push button start like a beemer. Yes you understood me correctly. I sometimes have to start it three time before the steering is corrected. The local dealership said that they have had one other key in for the same problem. Apparently that car's owner drove more than a 100 miles with the stiff steering so he could show them the problem.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    Push button start - now there's an "advance" nobody asked for. Let me guess, it makes the new Volvo driver feel like Stefan Johansson for a moment.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    I'd like to push that button you know where.... still waiting to hear back from Volvo. If the price of gas continues to climb I'll trade it for a Smart Car. A friend of mine had one for three years and put 150k kms on it. The motor burnt out at that point. For 20k that's a pretty good return. All he did with it was change the oil and put fuel in it.

    It is that or put solar panels on the XC70. I might be on to something here. ;)
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    UPDATE: Steering repaired and they were looked at the creaking coming from the rear hatch. Dealer kept the vehicle for a week and I was given a rental. Volvo Canada had requested that I give them the opportunity to repair and reassess the XC70. For all of it I am not confident with the vehicle and as someone who travels a fair amount need reliability. As the Volvo Canada representative said "this may be a Monday vehicle". If so I will ask that they take it back.

    On another note, while at the dealership today another gentleman was picking up his new XC70 that had 20 KMs on the odometer. He hadn't left the parking lot when he returned complaining about noise.

    Are these vehicles inspected at all before being sold to the comstomer? :confuse:
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150
    I've posted on other Edmunds Forums about the conundrum we have with my wife's 01 XC. When everything is right it is a stylish, fantastic all weather (we run up to Montreal regularly in it) highway tourer with very comfortable seating, lots of room, etc. But there were lots of problems with it and a not very attentive local dealer. Now at 95,000 somewhat eventful miles, we have started looking at the new '08s. Then we yawn. More money, more introductory first year problems, no big advances in fuel mileage, less luggage area (they expanded the second seat area), etc.

    Moreover, neither the car nor the dealerships are a luxuy experience. If you want that, you should buy an Audi Avant, BMW 5 Series or an E Series Wagon. However, you will wind up spending upwards of 20K more. But for what we want an AWD wagon for, the XC70 is ideal. However, after a lot of research, I think that the best deal by far is a gently used '06/'07 old style XC70.

    I'd welcome any comments especially if you think I am off base in my assessment.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    Advantages of the new XC70:

    (1) engine: new naturally aspirated 3.2L inline-6; 235 hp and 236 lb-ft torque with no turbo hassles. My wife's 2007 XC90 3.2 FWD gets 24 - 26 mpg hwy. Driven carefully an XC70 3.2 might get 27 mpgUS hwy (32 mpgUK or 8.7 L/100km).

    (2) 6-spd auto stick tranny made by Aisin in Japan

    (3) turning radius much shorter than the old version -- 37.7 ft compared to: 39 ft? 40 ft?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,207
    not sure what "turbo hassles" are, but someone posted their thoughts in another thread at how the new one feels more sluggish than their 1 year older 2.5T. My response was that, with 400 more lbs and the same torque (yet peaking at a higher RPM), I'm not surprised. And the EPA rates it 1mpg worse. So, personally, I don't see the advantage.

    And as far as what YOU may get in mileage, that does not mean everyone would. We can't get anywhere near the mileage in our XC90 that other folks report. Even with the cruise set at 45mph on flat ground, we JUST approach what others in other parts of the country claim they get at a steady 70mph. One person speculates this is due to the additives used in NJ gas. I would also add that your climate, elevation, asphalt material, etc, etc, change results, too.

    Anyway, my point is, yes, most likely a 4k lb XC70 is going to outmileage a 4700lb XC90 with the same drivetrain. However, since the EPA found that the 3.2 doesn't do quite as well as the 2.5T, I'd say that would hold true for owners, too. ALTHOUGH, if Volvo hadn't added 400lbs to the new model... who knows?

    Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '96 Pajero Mini, '11 Mini Cooper S

  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Totally agree with you qbrozen. Although I like the looks of the new XC, I certainly feel that Volvo did little to make it a better car than the older model. I think a six speed inline five turbo would have been fine for this car. Better yet, why not a twin turbo? While keeping comfort in mind, Volvo could certainly have made this vehicle more sporting than it is and certainly more of a driver's car.

    I doubt anyone will get 27 mpg from this car unless it is being towed. ;)
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    The turbocharger is a mechanical device which can fail, or the controls can fail. Don't get me wrong, I think a small engine with a turbocharger can be a useful route to relatively high efficiency under light accelerator pressure, and relatively high output under heavy accelerator pessure. So the 5-cyl light pressure turbo is EPA rated as slightly more efficient than the 3.2L naturally aspirated I-6.

    But a inline 5-cyl engine is not as well balanced as an inline 6-cyl and Volvo does not use balance shafts in its I5-cyl engine as it did in its I4-cyl engines. The result is more vibration at idle with the 5-cyl compared to the silky smooth 3.2L inline 6-cyl. The inline 6-cyl is the gold standard for a relatively efficient smooth running engine. The I-6 configuration is common in Mercedes and BMW performance cars. Of course these are RWD. Volvo designed their I-6 (the short inline six or si6) to be short enought to fit transversely for FWD.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150
    Guys, thanks for alll the feedback. Can I summarize? The new XC costs more, burns more gas, is not any faster, no more powerful, and holds less.

    On the other hand the new engine has a six speed Japanese transmission (gee, thats a resounding vote for Volvo's in-house engineering), doesn't have a turbo, although Volvo turbos are not known for early failure, and if you run Mobil1 as you should anyway this will dissapate the added heat, and has a 1 foort shorter (hardly "much shorter") turning radius!

    The decision seems pretty clear to me.

    Since I have to be missing something, would someone more knowledgeable please enlighten me? Maybe the sterio is a vast improvement? The ride quality? They are closing the gap with the Germans and now have a heated steering wheel with paddle shifters? Come on, help me out. Afterall, you can pay almost the same price for a Porsche Cayenne and have more fun as you haul your brood to GrandMa's house.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    ". . . after a lot of research, I think that the best deal by far is a gently used '06/'07 old style XC70."

    In the past you would almost always come out ahead buying a used car. However, the car mfgrs are hurting and making great deals on vehicles in dealer stock.

    Your best value would be to hold onto your 01 XC70, unless you know it's not reliable, or know that it will soon cost a lot in maintenance or repairs. How do you determine if a vehicle has been 'gently used'.

    Some people make a big deal about how the 2.5L turbo makes high torque at lower rpms. A modern computer controlled turbo-charged engine can do this by cramming a lot of air and fuel into the cylinder even at low rpm, like 2000 rpm or even less. This of course increases the forces on the engine parts. What's wrong with having to wind out the engine to 4000+ rpm to get the highest torque? How often do you use the highest torque anyway?

    The 3.2L si6 has variable valve timing and variable lift height. Only time will tell whether the si6 will turn out to be low maintenance.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,207
    How often do you use the highest torque anyway?

    Every time I put my foot to the floor and hit the peak RPMs. Which, in the volvo, is barely off idle. So I'd say VERY often.

    What's wrong with having to wind out the engine to 4000+ rpm to get the highest torque?

    Well, 2 things. 1 is that it takes longer to get there. 2 is that higher RPMs uses more fuel. Also, when peak torque is too high, it typically makes for a poor power curve. For instance, your torque peaks at 4k and HP peaks at 5500rpms. That gives you a "peakier" power curve than a vehicle with, say, 1800/5k, respectively. Not to say this is a hard and fast rule. I mean, there are some that might have 90% of torque off idle and just climb very slowly to their peak at 4k, for instance.

    To answer your other point. Yes, the I6 is inherently smoother. No argument there. But the I5 certainly isn't rough enough to make a difference to me. Can I feel it through the steering wheel at a stoplight if I close my eyes and focus? yeah. Does it bother me? nope. But that's personal preference. If someone is so focused on a smooth idle they want the I6, I'm not going to argue. That's their preference.

    Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '96 Pajero Mini, '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    The fix for a less than smooth idling engine is to use soft engine mounts which don't last as long as stiffer ones. I think Volvo does that on its 5-cyl engines. These are my suppositions based on the fact that both on our '96 850 wagon and '04 V70 the upper 'twist control' mount, on top, at the firewall, had to be replaced after 4 years of easy use. These are cheap and easy to replace, but this indicates that steps had to be taken to control vibration.

    I went with aftermarket polyurethane inserts as replacements. The poly mount in the '96 worked great, but the one I got for the '04 V70 (and could install myself) has not been satisfactory. There is now too much vibration in the passenger compartment and especially in the steering wheel; I live with it and grumble. When the lower front twist control mount is ready for replacement I may just get OE. But then maybe a stiffer lower one will cancel out the stiff upper one?

    But I wonder if the main engine mounts on the bottom have a shorter lifetime than desirable. Are they spec'ed on the soft side to isolate vibration? These "hydraulic mounts" will cost a bundle to replace, and the job is beyond my skills. One independent Volvo shop told me that these mounts do collapse over time and eventually the spacing between the engine and the body structural members decreases to an unacceptable amount. They said that those on my '04 V70 were OK though.

    It's possible that the Volvo models powered by the si6 will have more durable engine mounts.

    With an automatic tranny the much ballyhooed flat engine torque curve doesn't produce any significant advange to the driver. With an automatic you just stomp on the accelerator to suddenly accelerate. With a manual tranny there is an advantage to the flat torque curve made possible by forced induction (turbo or supercharging).

    If you are in a relatively high gear and suddenly need to accelerate, having engine torque available at low rpms allows the driver to forego downshifting if there's not enough time.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    The problem with my 08 XC70 is that I have to put my foot into it to get the get up and go out of the car. To tell you the truth I did try to purchase a new 07 model but the dealer was set on gouging too much out of me for it.

    My 02 XC70 did not have a vibration problem. Ergonomically I find it to better "inside" than the 08 model. Some of you may notice the inside layout of the new XC60. It is interesting that Volvo has turned the console slightly towards the driver, which imo is a much more attractive design, not to mention easier to use.

    It is great to see all the comments regardless of your opinion.

    No word from Volvo yet regarding the problems with my car. I think they sprayed the rear hatch with lubricant to keep it from squeaking so much.

  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150

    We bought a bunch of inserts and even a cross engine bay support bracket from IPD and installed them with no noticeable effect. We however didn't test them scientifically and don't tow with it. As people who over-maintain vehicles, we do think we did the right thing for the '01 XC70 and the upgrades weren't a lot of money.

    Regarding maintenance. I always go the Mobil1, more frequent oil change, frequent car detail, impeccable maintenance route. I figure that if we get just one more year out of a vehicle we will have $aved a bundle on depreciation and sales tax. Food for thought: we bought a new 1987 Ford XLT Supercab with every option possible, 22 years ago. It has been a pleasure to drive ever since on weekends. We have gotten every dime out of the 18K we paid for it. Had we bought new stripper pickups without AC. power locks, windows, cloth seats, etc. we would have dumped them after 3 or so years and paid perhaps 70K over the last 22 years.
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    There may be something else causing the vibration in my 04 V70. But when I put the insert in the upper twist control mount, I tightened it up and noticed more vibration right away. Then I loosened the nut/bolt in the insert and as I recall the vibration disappeared, but I later retightened the nut because I thought it was supposed to be tight and just accepted the vibration. An independent Volvo shop told me the nut/bolt was supposed to be tight. The OE was tight. It has been over a year since then and I have not reviewed the situation.

    Maybe I am exaggerating the amount of vibration. Some reviews of some of these aftermarket poly inserts reported vibration with the auto tranny in drive at idle and, well, the power of suggestion. . . In the 04 V70 the upper twist control mount ultimately connects to the strut tower bar which is itself atached through rubber bushings. I don't see how vibration could be transmitted through all this. But from its construction I recall that the OE rubber mount was asymmetric -- stiffer in one direction and softer at 90 deg. The poly mounts are radially symmetric.

    I do know that there is a very considerable difference in steering wheel engine vibration between my '04 V70 and my wife's '07 XC90 3.2 inline 6.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Took a 2009 XC70 T6 with 4C chassis out for a test. The T6 is imo a much better feeling car. There is competent output from the turbo charged motor and the 4C enhances the driver/road feel. Not only that, but I didn't hear the constant creaking I hear in my 08 model.

    Does anyone know if dealerships (including Volvo) sell repaired crash tested or damaged vehicles as new? If so how do I find out if my car was damaged prior to delivery?

    As for my situation with Volvo, as expected they want to do the very least and will not admit failure of the car.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Have you looked into the CAMVAP (Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Process) program? It is a mediation/arbitration process administered by the provincial BBB. It costs you nothing other than your time, but it can be an effective way to deal with the manufacturer if you feel that you're stuck with a lemon and the manufacturer is stone-walling you. I used it some years back against Honda, and the arbitrator ruled in my favour and Honda was forced to buy back my Prelude at full price.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    I read about it. I must say though that I am thoroughly disappointed with Volvo as this is my third Volvo car. In today's marketplace I think they should take every opportunity to achieve positive feedback.
  • bsybsy Member Posts: 4
    Looking into purchasing a 2008 V70 used as a loaner, how does one properly determined a fair purchase value for such cars. There are a couple of cars in the dealership that have different mileage on them (2,000 to 6,000 miles). Typically, how much of a discount from invoice should one expect? Or should invoice be the starting point at all for determining a fair purchase value? Thanks in advance for any advice.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,207
    For me, it is a used car, period. I don't care if it was never titled. So I'd find out, if possible, what its worth as a trade-in and work up from there.

    Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '96 Pajero Mini, '11 Mini Cooper S

  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Another problem.

    Temps have cooled off and early morning frost has become the norm. Went outside on Wednesday, opened the drivers side rear door, placed my briefcase in and then shut the door. Upon getting in the car and starting it up I noticed that the rear door open indicator was on. I got out and opened and closed the door again. No luck, the light stayed on. Finally got the car into service today and the door lock module is faulty.

    Also the rear hatch foam was replaced in an effort to reduce the noise coming from the tailgate. No luck there either. I think this is the car that Jack built.

    Run people run.
  • rusty104rusty104 Member Posts: 39
    My wife has an '07 XC70 which I drive occasionally. While we were on a recent trip we were rented a car which to our suprise was an '08 XC70. Based on that rental there is no way I would change her '07 for an '08. The 3.2 on the new model is MUCH louder when you step on the gas and MUCH less powerful at lower speeds. I think the noise on acceleration is the worse of the two. Hopefully for Volvo the '09 turbo solves both those problems.
    Other items of I noted between the two years:
    Where the "08 is better in my opinion:
    1. Quieter and less wind noise. (Unless you are passing a car and step on the gas)
    2. The interior is classier.
    Items I can't believe Volvo has done or not done:

    1.One of the reasons I bought the Volvo was for safety reasons. One of the options I insisted on my wife's '07 was the Xenon headlamps. ( I think it listed for less than $800 and came with the ABL feature, which I have on my car too, but could do without). However I view being able to see well at night an important safety issue and the Xenon lights improve that situation.
    Now it appears as though you have to buy a $2000+ package to get Xenon. That is crazy.
    2. On both the '07 and '08 I am irritated that the sun visor doesn't move down the metal rod to block the sun when you move it to the driver's door.
    3. Although not a safety issue, an annoyance - the headlamp lighting system is really not totally automatic. Unless you want to have the headlamps on all the time, you have to manually turn the switch at night to the on position if you want to use the high beams.
    4. I did not care for the new key, it seems as though it is something that will eventually break and in the interim is a pain,

    Although the above are complaints, I really like my wife's car for many reasons.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    You mean the headlights are really just auto-off headlights, that turn on and off with the ignition?
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    I personally find the 3.2 L inline six in my 2007 plenty powerful. When it is said that it is less powerful at lower output than the V8 or other powerplants, I can only assume that this means that to develop a lot of power from the 3.2, you have to depress the accelerator more, and go to higher rpm. So I would say that the accelerator program in the 3.2 is what it is under the assumption that normally the driver wants to be moderate in acceleration (to achieve better fuel economy and put less wear on the drivetrain). To hotrod the 3.2 just lay into the accelerator (and accept a much lower mpg)! The 3.2 develops 235 hp maximum, which I hardly ever want it to develop. I don't mind the engine sound when I do occassionally wind it out to 4500 rpm in a challenging freeway entrance.

    This weekend I was a passenger in a Lexus LX470? SUV with a V8 that the 25-year-old driver was driving "agressively" on freeways. It was smooth and powerful and I think it gets lower mpg than my XC90 3.2. Costs a lot more too. I looked at the tach and it seemed that at the same vehicle speed the rpm was lower in the Lexus than in my XC90 3.2 (which cost $33k brand new). I can live with that.

    Concerning the light swich, the only difference I find in the two positions with the headlights on is that in the "nightime" position the brights can be switched on. In the other position the brights can only be on as long as the stalk is held pulled toward the steering wheel. In my 1996 850 I think the daytime headlamps were at reduced power (which I liked), but in the 2007 XC90 I think they are at full power in both position I and III. It might be possible for the dealer to deactivate the headlights on in position I. In places where there is no daytime running light requirement some drivers would not want them, even if they were a safety advantage. Daytime running (head) lights (at full power) must cause much more rapid headlamp failure.
  • carmom14carmom14 Member Posts: 1
    I just got whacked in the head by my tailgate. It won't stay open. The tailgate goes up and then it quickly slams shut. I can't even hold it open. Is this what happened to your tailgate?
  • jim314jim314 Member Posts: 491
    This happened a couple of years back on my 2004 V70. The gas cartridges which hold up the tailgate failed. In my case the dealer replaced them at no charge under the overall warranty (3 yr, 36 kmi?). These are easy to replace in most cars, but more of a problem with the V70 because they are hidden under plastic trim. Removing the plastic trim without breaking it requires experience and skill. In the XC90 the cartridges are exposed.

    Get thee to the dealer!
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Hi Carmom, sorry I didn't get back to you. It has been a while since I've been here. No my problem was with the auto tailgate motor failure. Btw the tailgate still has problems. Since my last report I have been back to the service center several times.

    I have submitted a claim through CAMVAP (Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Process) and hope it proves to be a successful process. I'm not trusting of anything or anyone right now.

    The tailgate seems to break the seal when cornering or going over cracks in the pavement. I'm fed up with it and hope the arbitration will see this a a reliability issue. Apparently my XC70 is the only one with problems.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    UPDATE. I went through the CAMVAP process in an effort to have Volvo Canada buy my car back. For your interest and for those of you that are as unfortunate as I was to get a lemon, I was successful! Say so long to my last Volvo. Best of luck to each of you and I've updated the Carfax history today. Hopefully this car will not be resold.
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    My 08 XC70 has been bought back by Volvo Canada. It is still sitting on the dealer lot two months later. I replaced it with a BMW. I am very pleased because this car is everything that the Volvo should have been considering the Volvo price and PR. There are no creaks or noises coming from the hatch on Bimmer. The interior is very quiet and the handling is a dream. Fuel economy is better too.

    Best of luck to all of you.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Congrats on the victory. Chalk another one up for the good guys! CAMVAP is great.

    Which Bimmer did you end up getting? One of the Touring models?
  • savannahtxsavannahtx Member Posts: 1
    when I start to push on the petal to begin to move it feels like the first second or so it "misses" or is not catching or something..then it is like it goes to second gear and then it catches...strange feeling like it almost ..slips past the begining of what I guess is first gear in an automatic and then catches and it feels like it wants to go. Also, I had a 1997 that had the "power" button when I wanted 'extra' power to go faster in a pulling onto an interstate....I miss that power feels like the transmission is slippin when I begin to push on the that old on did not do it. I am also driving a 1985 ..240 Wagon....just about falling apart in many ways but it runs and past the state inspection....and "yes" I am Volvoized...can't really imagine drivng anything else....I had a Volvo rubberized mat in the back of my 1997...Wagon....All I can find now is a "hard" plastic mat of sorts for the rear of the 2008 there a soft Volvo rubber mat for the 2008? This 2008 sure likes to use up the gas...not great on the gas but nice car in many other ways....
  • nibsnibs Member Posts: 65
    Just checking in. Driving the 530XIT is a hoot. The only thing I am missing is a tow hitch. I can get a hitch but the wiring harness is not available for this car of mine. Hope your vehicles are working OK for you. All the best.
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