99 Millenia fuel gauge problem.

rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
edited March 2014 in Mazda
I purchased a 99 Millenia S in Jan. The fuel gauge
would display low, and the fuel light would go on
at 240 miles (driving range is 360 miles). Mazda
worked on a solution, and tried to fix it. It's now
worse - in my opinion. It more accurately displays
the amount of fuel in the tank, but the warning
light never goes on. The fuel gauge never displays
completely full (take 30 minutes to go to it's
highes point) and never displays completely empty.
The only way I know I can go 330 miles, is because
that's when I ran out of fuel. The dealer says
Mazda is working on it, but it has been 3 months
with no response. Mazda America says they do not
get involved in technical matters, and I'll have to
work it out with the dealer.

Comments

  • dive2deepdive2deep Member Posts: 1
    I purchased a Millenia in September 1999. My fuel gauge is very slow to read full. I am accustomed to my fuel gauge reading full once I have finished pumping my gas. I have never allowed my tank to go below the 1/4 tank mark. I think I will just to make sure it will register. I hope Mazda has some solutions to your problem.
  • marak88marak88 Member Posts: 57
    I've bought my mellinia S last Jan (99) and my fuel gauge take about 5 minutes to read full, and reads almost empty (1/8 of a tank) at around 240 miles, but the low fuel light does not come on unless its about 4-5 gallons from empty. I found that out by letting the low fuel light come on then went to the nearest gas station and it took 13.5 gallons of gas, do the math (18 gallon tank - 13.5 will give you 4.5 gallons.

    does any one get the 28 mpg on the highway and the 20 mpg in the city.
  • bobs5bobs5 Member Posts: 557
    Since my first experience with a faulty fuel gauge, I reset the trip meter at every fill up and monitor how many miles have been driven on the tank of fuel before the next fill up.

    The car which taught me this lesson was a 1976 amc hornet, the fuel sending gauge in the tank would get stuck and show a quarter tank of fuel left....NOT!
    Lucky for me, I was only a mile from home when it ran out.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    No, I never came close to 28 mpg. The best I got was 23, driving approx. 70 mph on the freeway. The worst I got was 19 mpg. See the Millenia S topic under sedans, A number of people there have some comments on mpg.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    I took out a 3-year lease on a 1999 Mazda Millenia in July. I haven't had any problems with the fuel gauge. This is my third Mazda...in my experience Mazda fuel gauges do not just pop up to full when you fill up. So...I do not believe anything is wrong with your fuel gauges...just give them a few minutes. So far my gas light has not come on; however, that is because I fill up at a quarter tank like the owner's manual suggests. It usually takes 12 gallons when I fill up. I guess I might run it down one time to see if the light works. I never had any problems with the light in my 626. I'm not sure what mpg I have been getting.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    First of all, you should be able to use more then 13 gallons of an 18 gallon tank before fill ups. Why have such a large tank if you cannot utilize it?

    Second of all, my light does not work at all! With my gas gauge not showing empty, and the low fuel light off, I still ran out of gas!

    This is not satisfactory for a $30K car.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    I didn't let my tank run down yet...because I was about to go on a long drive...but this time it took 13.69 gallons to be exact. I feel that the Millenia is a great car...I don't know why everyone is complaining about the fuel gauge. No car is perfect.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    My gas light works!
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    How many gallons did it take when you filled it up? Prior to the fix they performed on my car, it only took 12.5 gallons, and the light worked. After the fix, the light stopped working.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    13 gallons. I'm wondering...maybe you should ask some people with older Millenias too. My parents use to have a 95 Millenia...it seemed like in their Millenia there was not much gas left when the light came on. Wonder if Mazda had too many people run out of gas and adjusted it. Just a hypothesis.

    One other comment...I drove my boss's 99 Jaguar XJ8 today...while I was out I filled the gas tank...if you think the Millenia takes a long time to show full...by the time I got back in the Jag it still didn't show full!
  • fosterphxfosterphx Member Posts: 9
    The 2.3l blown engine is a prime example of adding excess complexity for no gain. My 93 3.0l 190 horse Maxima got better gas mileage (20 vs 22 mpg under similar driving conditions) and better acceleration. Traded in at 108,000 miles with virtually no reliability problems. My 99 S can't get over 23mpg on a trip at 75mph where the Maxima would get 27-28. Mazda's credibility is a real issue with me!
  • joels99848joels99848 Member Posts: 1
    I just bought a used 97 Millenia L. I ran 125 miles on a full tank and the gauge read under half full. I thought the mileage was way off, stopped to fill up and only put in 5+ gallons to fill up again. I was glad to see this board so that I know it is just one of the querks of the car.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    After calling Mazda America, nothing much happened, until I returned the survey they sent me inquiring about how pleased I was with the service. My response to the survey was not pleasant. Within a week I got a call from my dealer to schedule an appointment to bring the car in. I guess they really do read those surveys. I took the car in Dec 27th and they made a another repair. A Mazda representative and mechanic from Mazda America were at the dealer to perform the work. Stay tuned for the results from my first fill-up.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    I estimate the car would have taken about 14 gallons when the low fuel light turned on (I was not close to any fuel station when it went on). Everything is working to my satisfaction.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    That sounds about right...I have finally let my gas light come on a few times. 14 gallons sounds right.
  • caspeycaspey Member Posts: 3
    I bought my S in July 98,a 99 model. That fuel gauge and low fuel light damn hear drove me 'round the bend until I decided, like several have said, to drive by the odometer. It's a shame to have to do but still. I took it in for a Schedule B recently and since then the light has been working regularly and the gauge does get to register fully full. I don't know how long the miracle will last nor why it has occurred, but pray with me.
  • caspeycaspey Member Posts: 3
    Oops, I meant I bought a '98 S, in July 98. The 99's have a great price, but I don't like the muscular wheels, and I don't care much for the white/clear front turn signal lights, they took away the pretty contrast. Even with it's thin metal, I love this car, but I had to move it away from the oak tree in the driveway, switching places with my '93 GMC Sierra pickup. Those twigs that dented the Millenia bounce harmly off of the Sierra. It's a damn shame but still I love the car....although I'm pretty sure that by the time I am ready to buy another car something totally terribly bad will have happened to the Millenia that I will not buy another one, just remember this one fondly.
  • 95neonsport95neonsport Member Posts: 7
    I bought a 2000 Millenia S on November 30th and the fuel gauge has consistently indicated empty with the light coming on when I can only add 13.5 gallons to the tank (18 gallon capacity). Seems like the problem everyone else has. I will see what the dealer (Koons Mazda in Marlow Heights, MD)thinks when I take it in for the first oil change.
  • tonerocktonerock Member Posts: 3
    When my fuel light comes on..It takes about 11 gallons to fill my tank meaning there is still another 7 gallons left. According to the manual, this light should come on at about 2.4 gallons. My car has been to the dealer twice for this. They replaced the senders in the tank but that didn't fix the problem..It's nice to know I'm not alone...Before I took it to the dealer, my guage would NEVER read full..almost full, but never full..After they replaced the sender, it did.. But the other problem persists..
  • tonerocktonerock Member Posts: 3
    This site lists all the recalls and TSB's, including the one about our fuel guages
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    I took the car in for an oil change and checkup last week. To my surprise, I noticed that the fuel gauge was dead! Dead, dead, dead!!! No reading at all, and no low fuel light! Later that evening, it started working again, and has been working ever since. Go figure! Oh, another thing, they also lost the key for the wheel lug nuts when they rotated the tires.
  • todd52todd52 Member Posts: 5
    Hey, I've got the mil S "99", is it possible that Mazda got the size of the tank wrong in the manual, the manual says it has an 18 Gal tank. Yet when my gage says "E" I can only put 14 Gal??? Or is it just my gage?
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    There's only one way to find out. All we have to do is drive our cars until we run out of gas, then call Mazda Roadside Assistance. BTW...last time I filled up I put in 15 gallons.
  • todd52todd52 Member Posts: 5
    Don't get me wrong I've already thought about that, it just seems like more hassel then its worth. Also not sure if anybody has had this problem, I got my S in Nov, I had to take it back to the dealer( actually two different dealers), a total of 5 times, we had a vibration problem that wouldn't go away, the dealer thought it was a balance prob. with my tires, then they thought it was an alingnment prob? then they tried to ignore my prob. and finally I talked(ha ha) them into replacing my Dunlops with Goodyears and my problem dissapeared, and I wasn't the only customer with this same problem. I've got the 17" polished wheels, I'm not sure if the goodyears are the best choice but they seem to be working.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    I was told that the tanks hold 18 gallons, and only 17 of then are usable. Yes, tanks, there are two of them. I can verify usable fuel level, because when I was waiting for the low fuel light to go on (never did), I ran out of gas, and It took right around 17 gallons. (the fuel light problem has been fixed since then)

    I hate the Dunlaps. The car pulled when I bought the car. To fix it, they replaced one tire. Now that the tires have been rotated, it's pulling again. Although not as bad. I can't wait until these tire wear out.

    todd52 - It was like pulling teeth to get that one tire. How did you get them to replace all tires with another brand?

    All in all, I love my Millenia. It drives great! I don't think for the money there is a better looking or driving car. Well, maybe the TL, but it looks too much like and Accord.
  • todd52todd52 Member Posts: 5
    RBRUBAKER- I took my car back to the dealership a week after I got it and complained of the vibration- they balanced the tires, it didn't help ,I took it back a few weeks later- they did a high speed balance with the wheels on the car,and an alignment, it didn't help, I took it back a third time and told the manager to drive it, he did, and he decided their was no problem, so the fourth time I took it to another Mazda dealership, explained my problem, they went ahead and balanced the tires, it didn't help, but they suggested the car may have been sitting for a while with out being driven so the tires could have "flat spots" so he suggested I take the car back the dealership I bought it at and get them to replaced the tires. So when I got around to calling the original service manager it turns out he had been fired, and the new service manager had heard of this problem and was more than willing to put new tires on, plus he looked at my stack of service records and I dropped the phras Lemon Law....next thing you know old Jed's a millionare....
  • caspeycaspey Member Posts: 3
    Ok, here's my latest with my 98 S. I took it to the dealer I got it from (Rosenthal Mazda in Arlington VA) after trying a different dealer first. Things I heard about Rosenthal had made me shy away. They changed the sender units, and now the fuel gauge reads right, it even goes a little over the full mark when I fill it to the rim. What got me going was that the gauge had gotten to where when the car was full it would read slightly less than 3/4. Since I had a turn signal indicator assembly that had moisture in it ever since I got the car, this was a good time to get this stuff done. Oh yeah, in the interest of total honesty it was when it developed a horrible squeak in a link (I think it was) that was the tipping point for me.

    They installed new sensors, a new assembly, and links, all warranty, no charges. I left all fired up and nobody to scream at, but after I decompressed I was very happy.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    The last time my gas light came on it actually took 16.15 gallons to fill up. Wonder if this will happen from now on or if it was just a one time thing? Next time it will probably come on at 13 gallons as usual.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    Mine seems to be working consistently at about 13.5-14 gallons. It's comforting to know that the gauge now reads accurately. How does your millenia track? Mine will pull or drift depending on how the tires are rotated. I had one replaced, but I think they replaced the wrong one.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    The last time I had my car serviced, which was at the beginning of this month...the car drove much better after having the tires rotated and oil changed.
  • acabral1acabral1 Member Posts: 122
    I recentely purchased a '00 Millenia S -(Pearl White) Thus, far I have been happy with it. The Miller Cycle Engine - isn't all that its hyped up to be though! The interior finish could be a little more refined too; but nothing is perfect -

    To enhance my cars appearance, I had HID lights installed, if anyone has considered doing this, and would like to see how it would look. Email me at - [email protected] and I will send some pics.


    Regards,
  • ybindetybindet Member Posts: 1
    I just bought a 95' S with 56k on it. When the fuel gauge is basically on "E", it only takes about 14 gallons to fill it up (given its 18 gallon capacity). Is this a common problem with millenia's? - Secondly, the "check engine light" recently came on. Does anybody have any thoughts or comments.

    Regards,

    ybindet
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    From the responses in this post, and my own experience, your fuel gauge reading is on par with other millenia's. No thoughts on the engine light.
  • wildcat822wildcat822 Member Posts: 1
    My '95 (non-S) gauge sticks. Very sporatically I'll look down and it'll be on, say, 1/2 tank, 5 minutes later, below E, 10 minutes later, 1/4 tank, then it settles back in.

    I've just made a habit of filling up at 1/4 tank to make sure I don't run out. I have a feeling fixing the problem would not be worth the minor inconvenience.
  • merlin1merlin1 Member Posts: 5
    I bought a 97 Millenia in November of 99. The ck engine has been on 5X since then. After 3 visits (at $55 a pop the local import repair shop would reset the codes and check things out) and nothing found, I decided to wait and see if the light would go off after a while. It does. It also seems to be somewhat related to turning on the a/c system in some instances. Last visit the shop advised ignoring the light. It seems to have a life of its own and is somewhat related to ambient moisture. 4 months later the car is still running like it should. Remember, Consumers Reports gives the Millenia a bad rating for electrical problems.
  • milleniaman1milleniaman1 Member Posts: 110
    It is not uncommon to find a Millenia with Electrical Problems. Before I bought new last summer, I first looked at used Millenia. One of the Millenias I almost bought ended up having electrical problems. It was a 96 S...when you moved the power passengar seat the radio would turn on and off!! Glad I discovered it before buying it!
  • todd52todd52 Member Posts: 5
    In my past postings I wrote about the dealer replacing my tires (Dunlops) because of vibration problems, I have a 99 S anyway they did this at 3800 miles now I have 10500, and my car is shaking again and pulling to the right, so I took it in to the dealer, they fixed it.....no not really... so I took it back again yesterday, they still have it today, anyway they rotated my tires when they did I noticed the two that were on the front are unevenly woren and have about 20-30% tread left, if that much. The ones that were in the back look like thay have 80-90% tread left, I understand that I need to rotate my tires but I only drove about 5000 miles, should these tires wear out so quickly? The mechanic told me that on the S you need to rotate your tires frequently, what ? every 100 miles? not to mention they charged me $20.00 to do this. Does anybody have any suggestions? did I mention that half of my 10500 miles have been put on driving it back and forth to the dealership?
  • pat455pat455 Member Posts: 603
    You might want to ask "tireguy" this question in our Tires topic (#16).

    Pat
    Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
  • acabral1acabral1 Member Posts: 122
    I will definaltey avoid the dealership when it comes to tire/wheel maintance. I recently has to repair a tire puncture, and had no choice but to use a local tire shop, besides the fact that they installed my tire on backwards on their first attempt to repair my tire, everything went well.

    Both of my visits, were with no-appointment, which was also great. Here's a question, I noticed that only of my front tires has a wheel weight on it. Is that normal/ok?
  • pat455pat455 Member Posts: 603
    acrabral1 - someone here may have some advice, but you might also want to follow the link in post 41.

    Pat
    Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
  • todd52todd52 Member Posts: 5
    Hey, just an update from my previous problem about my balding tires, I ended up taking my car to mazda a total of 4 times, and in the end all they did was replace my tires again. I feel that I have an obvious problem with my front end, because my front tires only lasted 5000 miles. I told the service manager that he fixed my tire problem but didn't fix the front end, he agreed, he also said that he has 3 or 4 other MIL s with the same problem, I'm not sure of the years of the other cars, mine is a 99 S, anyway he did say Mazda is ignoring the problem and doesn't seem to wan't to listen to him, so we have already sent a letter to Mazda they did get back to us promptly, but they said that they had called the dealer and as far as they were concerned the car was fixed.Huh? So we have now started to lemon law the car. So I beleive Mazda has one more chance to fix the car, Maybe they'll just give me four more tires, they seem to like giving away tires.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    What exactly was wrong with the alignment? Is there a suspension problem of some sort? If you ever get this fixed, let me know. And who is your dealer and phone #, and the service manager's name?

    Thanks,
    Bob
  • acabral1acabral1 Member Posts: 122
    Is anyone using synthetic motor oil on there '00 Millenia. None of the dealerships I contacted have/use synthetic motor oil. They all said, that I would have to bring my own synthetic oil and they will use that - and still charge the standard fee.
  • rbrubakerrbrubaker Member Posts: 54
    I get free oil changes from the dealership, so I use whatever they put in it (Pennsoil). I have it changed every 3000 miles. I used synthetic oil in my Dodge Shelby, and experienced the same charging fee you did. The synthetic oil is better, and you don't need to change it as often.
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