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  • ptailorptailor Member Posts: 42
    Question for all you tech-minded ppl.

    When a person want's to check how much brake pad is left in a drum brake, how is this done? Does the whole cover on the drums have to be taken off? or can it be read off by only taking off the wheel?

    thanks
    Pritesh
  • esbrockesbrock Member Posts: 88
    Ptailor:

    The only way to see the brake shoes is to slide the drum off the brake assembly and take a peek. How many miles do you have on your cougar? You shouldn't have to be too concerned with it if you have less than 45,000 miles on your car. The rear drums don't take a lot of punishment when applying the brakes, they usually last a long time.

    On a side note, I am taking my car in tommorow morning for the brake recall order. According to the service rep, it shouldn't take too long to do. I should get it back the same day, but we shall see. Man,I hate giving up my baby. I think I'll ask about that "lifter clatter" I hear the first start of every morning.
  • krnchkrnch Member Posts: 127
    Esbrock,

    I had the brake recall work done a week or so ago. Apparently it's a quick and easy fix. It didn't take them very long.
  • krnchkrnch Member Posts: 127
    Lefty,

    I don't have ABS, so the recall may only be for non-ABS cats.
  • ptailorptailor Member Posts: 42
    Esbrock:

    The main reason I ask is because the dealership told me that they checked my pads without taking the drum cover off. (I really didn't believe this, but I thought I'd check with other people).
    Well the main problem is that ever since my 20K service, the car has been vibrating when I brake. (They rotated the tires, and checked the brakes). I took the car back and they said that my front rotors became warped. The machined them for me, but the vibrations still occur. Using one of Fredly's tips, I figured out that the source of the vibrations is my drum brakes. The dealership claims that they could not have done anything to cause this. What baffles me is why then did it start ONLY after they serviced the car....

    Something doesn't seem to right to me.

    If anyone has any ideas.. I welcome them! :)
    ...Pritesh
  • fredlyfredly Member Posts: 201
    Slade,
    I have the BFG KDW's and I love them and the price was right... The handling improvement over the stock tires VR4's was very noticable... I did about oh 8-9 Autocrosses on them and burned them up pretty quickly I only got 12k out of them, but guys on the Contour site regularly get 30k +
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Folks,

    I FINALLY found the 9006CB "Cool Blue" Xenon Sylvania replacement bulbs for the 1999 Cougar. These are for the low-beam headlights -- I've been to every AutoZone, Advance Auto Parts, NAPA Parts Store, and Wal-Mart around my area without finding the low-beam replacements, which I wanted to try first. Found 'em at a Pep Boys last night -- last pair. $32 and change for the pair.

    The 9005CB "Cool Blue" bulbs for high-beams seem to grow on trees. I don't think people are using them for very many high-beam applications. Might be TOO bright, ya know?

    On the recall front, I too have seen the new non-ABS brake system recall on the OwnerConnection website. I'm making my dealership fix it PRONTO. For those of you who haven't checked, there are two additional recalls on the NHTSA website for replacement of throttle linkages and controls (99V194000) and door assemblies and latches (99V226000).

    What peeves me is that I NEVER would have known about these recalls through the mail. I NEVER get any correspondence from Mercury, except my damn payment statement each month. I think it's my dealership's fault -- they've not changed my address after being asked to do so 3+ times.

    Mr. Sprague? Where can I change this essential mailing address information? Should it be through my dealership? Through the Ford website? Through OwnerConnection?

    I'm getting these recalls fixed (if they apply) next week. Wish me luck.

    Regards,
    burnsmr4
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    Thanks for the answers, Krnch. I thought I remembered reading that it is, in fact, only for non-ABS Cats.

    Good luck on your recall service Burnsmr4. Let us know how things go.

    Ptailor, as far as checking drum brakes go, I'm pretty sure I remember having to take the drum off the brake assembly to even get a look at the shoes (pads), but that's not to say that technology hasn't passed my perception, and perhaps there's a tool now that they use so they don't have to take the whole thing apart. I'd be more inclined to believe the service technician if they'd actually taken them apart though.

    Let us know if they fix your vibration problem though, as it sounds like you're getting ready to take it back in for more service.

    Take care all, and have a great weekend! Happy Cougaring!
  • scratch3scratch3 Member Posts: 8
    I have a very lightly used V6 cougar for sale if you are interested in saving some money.
    The car is white, V6, side air bags, ABS, leather, power seats, sports package, convenience package, spoiler, 16in aluminum wheels and 5-speed manual tranmission.
    The car has been very well cared for and garaged both at work and home and has only 5,400 miles. It is is immaculate condition.I am asking $15,500
    I am relocating back to the UK in the fall but like most other Cougar owners love the car.
    let me know if you are interested.
  • coolchickcoolchick Member Posts: 174
    One of the local TV stations here did a piece about Consumer Reports' testing of all-season radials and used a 99 or 00 Laser Red Cougar in some of the tests showing it going through emergency handling procedures. It looked really sharp.

    Oh, the overall highest ranked tire was the Pirelli P400. Don't know if it comes in kitty sizes, though. They didn't show what specific tire was being tested on the Cougar.

    And just for my own curiosity, where the heck is everyone?????!!!!!?????
  • lmigliorelmigliore Member Posts: 148
    We have all transcended the mundane world of motorized transportation and are experiencing reality to its fullest extent.

    Except for those of us who don't have anything to say and don't wish to inflict our vacuous musings on the community.

    Except for me.
  • jayhawk5jayhawk5 Member Posts: 70
    I'm here and have been following along, just have nothing inspiring to say....
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    I, of course, am here, but I should let everyone know that the Bad-man is on a bit of a hiatus to breath the good air and live the good life for a while. He's okay, so there should be no concern, but just so you know, you can send any emails about the group, our direction, our progress, or anything else that you would normally send to Badulah, to me. :^)

    That address again is: csg_stageleft@hotmail.com

    Thanks for understanding everyone!

    Happy Cougaring!
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Dropped a big payment on the credit union yesterday. 4 year term paid off in less than 2 (saves money in the long run, don't ya know).

    Am I one of the first to actually have a title to his/her cat? Nobody's ever said anything about it, except for discussing financing at the time of purchase.

    As to where we've all been, I'm busy settling in for a long winter's nap (at home), and clearing out my office preparatory to a corporate move in Dec. What a pain, having to toss most of a 15yr existance into the trash, and then packing up the rest. Then, having to re-establish in a new space (smaller, of course).

    Skip G.
  • krnchkrnch Member Posts: 127
    Just checking in... I too have been reading along.

    krnch
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I had my brake recall completed yesterday. All seemed to of gone well!!
  • jjmorrisjjmorris Member Posts: 13
    My service interval light (the wrench) came on just before 5000 miles. I had my oil change and tire rotation at 6000, but the service dept. didn't turn the light off. Can I do it myself somehow?
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Press the units and select buttons down at the same time, hold, and it should beep and turn out the service light.

    Skip G.
  • jdbishopjdbishop Member Posts: 36
    When all else fails, read your Owner's Manual.
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Move:

    Our corp HQ and R&D are moving from Glenview Il. to a new (smaller) place in Lincolnshire Il. It's about 8-10 miles up the road from our present location.

    My biggest problem is having to give up some living space, and file storage of stuff acquired over the last 16yr. My engineering workspace will also get smaller, but I'll cope somehow.

    Warm in sunny So. Cal., huh? But think of the nice autumn color show that you're missing back here. During my times out there, I don't remember the sand changing much from season to season.

    Skip G
  • jayhawk5jayhawk5 Member Posts: 70
    I'll take cold over smog any day of the week!
  • jimbo_gjimbo_g Member Posts: 53
    As most of you know, almost three weeks ago i purchased my 1999 black cougar v-6 atx.....

    well in the three weeks i've owned it it has been in the shop one full week and went in the shop again on monday for two seperate unrelated things... (not expecting to have the car back untill tuesday)

    allthough my work was nice enough to loan me an 89 dodge spirit while my car is in the shop, i can't get over the feeling that i bought a $14,200 Dodge Spirit....

    First problem was a front end problem diagnosed as "loose tie rod ends" and bad wheel bearings (both)...well they fixed the tie rod ends, but refused to cover the wheel bearings because both front wheels were "bent". They showed me the "bend" and it is in the exact same spot on both wheels where the balance weight is put on the rim, a very MINOR bend (i've seen worse on chrysler sebrings(and they are covered under warranty) almost looks like they dinged the rims while installing the balance weight. Needless to say i lost the fight and still need wheel bearings...

    Second problem..i got the car back on friday...the following sunday i get in to go out at night and the "bulb out" idiot light comes on... NO BRAKE LIGHTS NOT a single one and no cruise control... i figure ok a fuse blew checked the correstponding fuse (#24) it's good.... so she's back in the shop!! I took it to a different dealer in the hopes that they may also get the wheel bearings covered under warranty...

    All in all i am VERY stressed and am pondering getting rid of the car....:-(

    Jimbo_G
  • daexpertdaexpert Member Posts: 140
    Jimbo_G,

    I truly feel your pain, and I know what pain in the [non-permissible content removed] all those car problems can be. I had plenty of car problems with my previous Cougar, but luckily I was able to workout something with my dealer where I could take out another Cougar and return the one that was giving me so many problems. So the dealer allowed me to pretty much start a new contract with the new Cougar I got from them, but I also had to call Ford over and over again to make sure that they were aware of the matter and so that they would also help me out financially. Don't lose all hope with the car just yet, hopefully the cougar will come through for ya and no more problems will occur, if not, then you might have to take different actions to get rid of it. My current cougar is behaving just fine and so far I have 8K miles and no problems at all, thank God. = )
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    MWS - will do! :^)

    Gustafsc - Good luck with your office move. I understand how it is to be uprooted, although not after as long of time as you. Take care and don't get too stressed.

    Jimbo - Dang man! After all the time you spent obsessing on this car, and all the time you waited until you were healty, and wealthy enough to get one and this is how it's treating you? I think it just needs to be reminded who the Master is! LOL! Seriously, though, I know it's not a laughing matter, and I really hope you get the dealership to straighten things out. If the place that blamed you for the bearings put a note in your service record though, it will probably show up no matter what dealer you take it to. I would argue until you couldn't argue anymore because something like that is not cheap, and you should not be blamed for someone else's mistake (the previous owners/loaners or the factory's).

    Take care all, and of course: Happy Cougaring!
  • jrp6977jrp6977 Member Posts: 87
    I finally saw some 2001 Cougars on a lot in Indianapolis today. They look better in "the flesh" than in the photos I've seen despite the removal of the "boobie lights". The leather seats look good but the cloth is VERY ugly. The changes to the interior looked OK too.
  • malibumalibu Member Posts: 155
    I noticed last night when I have the fog lights on and turn on my bright headlights the fog lignts go off, is this normal? I'm not sure if it's a safety thing so you don't blind people or if something is wrong. I read the owners manual front to back last night and it doesn't mention a single word. Thanks.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Sorry to hear about your car problems. Hang in there and hopefully you are just getting a couple of bugs worked out in your new Cougar. Good Luck!!!
  • ptailorptailor Member Posts: 42
    Hi,

    Would someone mind posting the complete TSB (problem/resolution) for the insuffiecient refrigerant charge. (a/c system). I dropped off my cougar at the dealership, and i believe they are going to look at this problem. Just in case, I wanted to take the tsb along so that they don't charge me for recharging the system.

    thanks a bunch.
    Pritesh.

    PS.. The dealership is looking at my brake problem. Turns out it is the rear drums causing the vibrations, and hopefully this is also covered under warrenty. I'm pretty sure it is, since they did machine my front rotors under warrenty.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    You can go to www.alldata.com to get all tsb and recalls for all cars.
  • ptailorptailor Member Posts: 42
    Thanks,

    But for some reason they do not have this TSB listed. I looked at the National Highway Transport website and found the following.. I was looking for more of the summary as it gets cut off.. I remember someone did post it a long time ago..

    Service Bulletin Number: 12612
    Bulletin Sequence Number: 534
    Date of Bulletin: 9903
    NHTSA Item Number: SB605335
    Make: MERCURY
    Model: COUGAR
    Year: 1999
    Component: AIR CONDITIONERTHER PART
    Summary: CONCERNS WITH TEMPERATURE VARIATION BETWEEN THE INSTRUMENT PANEL AIR REGISTERS DUE TO INSUFFICIENT REFRIGERANT CHARGE. *TT


    cheers
    PRitesh
  • ptailorptailor Member Posts: 42
    Another quick question:

    How many times can you machine a rotor before it has to replace. The dealership machined my rotors again today. This is the second time in two weeks that they claim it has gone warped. This is some of the data they gave me:
    Check frt rotors out of round. Check rotor thickness: .920
    Disc runout with dial indicator left .005 right .003.

    Is .005 and .003 considered an amount that would require machining?

    thnx
    Pritesh
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    ptailor:

    There is no cuurnt website where you can access the complete wording of TSBs. Your best bet is to take the NHTSA info, that you already have, to your dealer's Service Manager and ask him to print out the full document from Ford's online system.
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Folks,

    I've been attempting to save some money and perform some of my own regularly scheduled maintenance. I've come across some questions that need to be answered. Can anyone help?

    Oil pan lug nut size - Does anyone know what size wrench I should use on the oil pan lug nut? The one that I remove to drain the oil from my car?

    How to remove oil filter - Anyone have any suggestions for getting at and removing the oil filter on the '99 Cougar? I looked when I found out I didn't have the right wrench for the oil pan lug nut. It looked a little hard to get to with an oil filter wrench.

    Cabin air filter - I changed the cabin air filter on Saturday. That was a pain in the [non-permissible content removed]! First of all, how in the heck do you remove the windshield wipers from the car by just pulling on them? NOT! I just removed the passenger side windshield grill and left the driver's side grill alone. I was still able to get to the cabin air filter without too much trouble. It was nasty.

    My dealership told me that they didn't want to charge customers for what was listed as routine 15,000 mile maintenance on my vehicle. That's why I still had the original cabin air filter at 21,000+ miles. I changed it myself using the Purolator replacement part -- $16 at Advance Auto Parts.

    Look forward to hearing about any answers to these questions. Hope everyone is having a nice (if not warm) Fall 2000.

    Sincerely,
    burnsmr4
  • ptailorptailor Member Posts: 42
    Thanks Blane.

    I'm not sure what they did, but the a/c works alot better now. They did do a leak test with a/c dye, and found no leaks. But in the process of this, they must have added more refrigerant because the a/c blows really cold now. The compressor also doesn't put such a drain on the engine now.
    (But still they did not fix my vibrating brake problem.)

    ...Pritesh
  • blackcoug1blackcoug1 Member Posts: 15
    Hi everyone. Haven't been on in a while but was very excited to see a total of three recalls on cougars (insert sarcastic voice inflection here). Took my coug to the body shop this mroning to get the Grand Canyon-esqe gouges taken care of. And then I called my dealership and discovered my car is indeed under recall for the PCRV. So I'm looking at about a week of public transportation. Yippee. I need coffee.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    When changing the cabin air filter, you do NOT need to take off the windsheild wiper. Turn the car on and turn on the wipers. When the wiper is verticle or in the up position turn the car off and they will be out of your way. I wanted to see if my cabin filter had been changed at my 15K service, so I went through the process you described. It was a pain in the butt!!!! The filter was not changed at the 15K service, so I went to the dealer and had them do it, minus the labor.
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    fish8 - Southern Lincoln-Mercury in Decatur was going to charge me $75/hour for doing the work. I found that, in fact, you can do it yourself without removing the wiper blade units as described in the manual. The toughest part is getting the left grille (base of windshield) out from under the right grille (from which the wipers protrude).

    You're right -- it was a pain in the butt, for for $16 and about a half-hour of learning, I'd much rather have done it myself than leave it to the dealership. Just think of what they might have left out when reassembling the pieces. They've done it during an oil change -- why not with a cabin air filter?
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    All:
    Well i'm back from my 2 week hiatus. I had to take some time away to focus on a few other things going on in my life right now.

    StageLeft has been working hard on the web page and we have some new content to add sometime this week. We will let you know when it is posted.

    Jimbo:
    Sorry to hear about your problems. Have you contacted FMC or MWS about them? I would really hate to lose you to the Honda Club. Hopefully they can get those problems fixed for you ASAP!.

    Skip:
    Sorry to hear you have to move to a smaller space. Nothing worse than going from a nice office to a stupid little cube. I know how that is.

    I'm in need of new tires and I am thinking about getting Dunlop SP 5000's. I wanted to get the SP8000s, but they are not all season tires, but the 5000s are. Anyone have any thoughts on these tires?

    I'm glad everyone here is doing well, and it's good to be back!
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Welcome back badulah!!!
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I just got a coupon in the mail for a free oil change at a local L/M dealer. Nothing better than a free service!!!!
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Fish8:
    Hopefully it's truly a free offer. I tend to believe that nothing is for free.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I agree. But, the mailing had no fine print. The promotion was for a new general manager of the dealer and they wanted people to stop by. they said you get a free oil and filter change and a free car wash. Since I only like my Cougar to be washed by hand(my hands), I will tell them not to wash my car.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    Burnsmr4:

    I will check the Cougar manual for you when I get home (it's a Chilton's - Thanks Fastback!!) to get you the answers you're looking for. I hope you can wait until tomorrow evening, as I won't be home tonight.

    Everyone else:

    Just checking in. Wanted to see how everyone is doing. Happy Cougaring, and be safe (there are an awful lot of cops lurking lately on the roads around where I live. I hate the speed limit -- just kidding officer!) ;^)
  • krnchkrnch Member Posts: 127
    Welcome back bad-man.

    BTW, did you ever get your stalling problem fixed before heading off to Cougarfest?

    I'll be interested in hearing how you like the Dunlop's, if you end up getting them.

    A.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Actually I think it was a loose connection. My friends Father is the service manager at a dealership in central Jersey. He went over the car with a fine toothed comb. He checked every connection and rechecked them. He said he did find that the wiring harness for the computer was a little loose. She has been running GREAT ever since. I have driven out to Michigan, Pennsylvania, and up state New York several times and I have had no problems at all.
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Folks,

    Who was it that had the alternator light come on at high RPM? Turned out to be a defective alternator? Stageleft?

    My dealership just called and said that they couldn't get any bad amperage from the alternator at the RPM I specified as causing the light to come on. I told them to check at 6000rpm instead of 5000rpm. Maybe the light will come on then.

    Jeepers...dealerships.
  • coolchickcoolchick Member Posts: 174
    Welcome back, Badulah!!!
  • gustafscgustafsc Member Posts: 361
    Thanks for the sympathy.

    It's not a problem for my office space, as I'll get an engineers cube, which has space for a workbench, etc..

    Where it'll really hurt is my actual working area which is a screen room (it's an electronic thing) which will shrink from 20x17' to 9x12', and the loss of storage space for product samples and test equipment. Also, going from 5 file cabinets to 5 file drawers is a bit of a shock. Lots of history and reference goes into big trash containers.

    But, ya gotta do what ya gotta do, so, I'll survive somehow.

    Skip G.
  • badulahbadulah Member Posts: 961
    Coolchick:
    LOL!!! It's great to be back!!

    Skip:
    I know this may sound kinda crazy, but have you considered scanning a lot of old documents and saving them electronically? This would save you space and would allow you to save all of your research. Just a thought.
  • stageleftstageleft Member Posts: 391
    Burnsmr:

    It was me who had the alternator problem. Basically, in my case, the light would flash or come on over 5500 rpm (if I remember correctly), so you may get better results after they check the 6k level. Good luck, let us know.

    Hey everybody!
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