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bonnie_rickbonnie_rick Posts: 115
Subaru Club! Your spokespersons will be ateixeira
and miksmi.

And, now, a word from your "crew chiefs"...

Bonnie Rick
Town Hall Community Manager,


  • dzartmandzartman Posts: 112
    The web site for Unorthodox Racing is

    Click on the pulley section as well as the FAQ and they give a decent overview of their pulleys and how they work. As was noted above, they are smaller than stock, so your accessories will spin slower. UR says that generally no one will notice as they only do about 15% underdriving. They are also much lighter, which means your engine doesn't have to work as hard and thus gains HP. Finally, you can check out for some Japanese Subaru pulleys, including for A/C and alternator.

    Thanks for the nice comments on my pics. They are from SE Oregon, near Leslie Gulch, Succor Creek, and Rome.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd like to welcome all Subaru enthusiasts to our very own club, the Subaru Crew!

    Join us here for discussions with owners, prospective owners, enthusiasts, and hopefully some direct input from Subaru's marketing arm.

    We'll try to keep this forum informative and interesting, which shouldn't be hard given the tone of most Subaru topics at Edmunds.

    Thanks for joining us.

    -juice, AKA ateixeira, but please call me "juice"
    '98 Subaru Forester L 5-speed
  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, Maryland, USAPosts: 1,246
    Welcome aboard!

    I look forward to this forum with great enthusiasm as I've enjoyed many enlightening posts in the other Subaru forums here on Edmund's.

    As background, my first Subaru was a 91 Legacy L+ wagon. My current ride (wife's actually; sometimes I get to drive it ;) is a 00 Legacy GT wagon, 5-speed manual transmission (5MT).

    ..Mike Smith (miksmi) Silver Spring MD USA


  • stevev1stevev1 Posts: 14
    I'm surprised the Subaru group was the second formed, given the deication you guys show. I'm glad to be a part of the group.
    90 Legacy LS
    2000 Forester S
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You got me: two Soobs, and the 2000 S with the rear LSD! I'm jealous!

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    Wowee a Subaru club!

    I'm in!
    99 Impreza RS
  • vince14vince14 Posts: 55
    please? I wanna go where the Subie people go...Juice and Mike, I'll just keep following and learning.
    currently a 2K OB LTD, last a 9 Forester L and before that a 90 Legacy (Front wheel drive)
  • Even though I am still waiting for my 01 S. Glad to join you knowledgeable, loyal "Subie" owners.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Posts: 5,095 say, "Nice digs, Subaru Crew!" Even though I haven't publicly said this in Wagons, you folks are one of my favorite groups!

    Congrats on your Owners Club status!

    KarenS Town Hall Host

    Edmunds Manager UGC Click on my screen name to send a personal message. Need help navigating? Check out Getting Started in Edmunds Forums.
    Need help picking out a make/model, finding inventory, or advice on pricing? Talk to an Edmunds Car Shopping Advisor

  • Glad to see the owner's club is finally up!

    Y2K Forester L
  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,783
    Elsewhere on Subaru boards, someone asked about fuel efficiency which appears to be better at 75mph than at 65mph. I have a vague recollection of reading in the manufacturer's engine manuals for my Mitsubishi Galant 20 years ago, that there is an efficient operating speed or load for every car but do not understand the reasons why (us accountants understand the numbers and how to save the money pretty well, though).

    I have some recollection of a phrase like "stoichiometric efficiency" which refers, I think to the efficiency with which the fuel air mixture is burned. I guess this may have been a function of the old carburetor fed systems but may not apply to the same extent on electronic fed systems where the efficiency can be monitored and altered.

    Against the efficient fuel usage of the engine, the wind resistance rises, I think as a function of the square of the speed and friction and other losses probably rise linearly. There is probably some minima for all of the forces which means there is a genuine most efficient fuel usage point/speed for each car type.

    I know that each car I have owned has had an apparent "natural speed" which the car would tend to settle at when driven long distance on freeway type roads with no other cars around and the throttle tamped as little as possible.

    Does anyone have any ideas on this?


  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    I don't think that the car will get better gas mileage at 75MPH than 65MPH if all things are exactly the same. If this were observed, I think an environmental factor is more likely to be the cause than air fuel mixture or another parameter of the engine. Something like wind, hills, traffic, altitude, even gas quality. At part throttle cruise, a modern Subaru will lean out the fuel mix whether you're going 50 or 80. It should be fairly obvious that more fuel is going to be consumed while going faster.

    And my car seems to naturally settle in about 5-10 MPH over the speed limit, whatever that may be. ;)

  • cookie00cookie00 Posts: 29
    My "almost" 21 year old son is seriously considering buying a used Sub (probably a wagon) for the room (he's 6 ft.1, 300 lbs), gas mileage, all-wheel drive and the reliability. I agree with him on all points...

    But at this point (still shopping) he's thinking NOTHING of paying $5,000+ for a vehicle with 85,000 miles or more. I realize that Subaru engines can last a really long time, and that might be an okay deal... but with the volume of these cars on the road, might he not get a better deal than that?

    Also, he's a bit short on cash (aren't most 21 year olds) and I keep telling him a vehicle, any vehicle, with that many miles might be looking at a lot of standard repairs. Spark plugs, fuel injectors, brakes, clutches...

    What's a good price on a Sub, about 5-8 years old with more than 80,000 miles? When does the clutch go?

    Advice? Thanks.!
  • torektorek Posts: 92
    Unfortunately, this varies wildly with type of driving (rush hour stop-and-go is murder on clutches; 2000 mile highway trips are easy on them) and on the drivers' clutch habits. Towing loaded trailers in rush hour traffic is probably a worst-case scenario. :-)

    The older Subarus with the 2.2L engines had smaller clutches. When they first went to the 2.5L engines they left the smaller clutch in, at least on the Forester, which turned out to be a problem. So it may depend on engine vintage as well.

    Make sure that if the car has the 60,000 mile timing belt, it got replaced at 60,000 miles. (Or is it 90,000? Mine is 105,000 in my Forester, so I forget what they used to be.) When they have/had the engine open for this they should check the condition of the oil pump as well.

    For prices on used cars, look at the "used car" price ranges right here on Edmunds, and also on the Kelly blue book pages ( The "retail" values are useful to know for your own negotiation.

  • Hi all I've been following the various Subaru sites for a while now and have found them very useful,
    I currently own a 98 Forester I just bought and
    a 87 GL wagon 4x4 which I'm trying to sell,

    For anyone out there who owns an older subaru thats primarly from wheel drive with 4-wheel assist the new AWD system is amazing and you can really feel the difference. Plus the larger engines are really head and shoulders above the old 1.8L. I just hope that I can drive the Forester for 325K with no major repairs.

    On the Forester (S) I'm currently looking for a good set of tires to put on for the summer months because the car came with winter tires on it, and was wondering what kind of tire I should be looking at for mainly summer driving with some minor gravel roads and mountain driving in western Canada, thanks for the input and we need more people to post here

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I knew this would get interesting. A highly technical discussion in the first 10 posts!

    I tend to get 25-28 mpg on trips, but how it varies has more to do with the amount of weight I'm carrying and drag (higher when I use the soft cargo carrier).

    I touched 30mpg once on an all highway trip by myself, but speeds were around 75mph. Not bad with today's gas prices.

    I'm driving to New York (third time in the Soob!) on Tuesday, with 4 passengers plus luggage. Lots of luggage, have you ever seen a Brazilian go shopping in New York? I expect about 25 mpg, but I'll keep you guys posted, as usual.

    Cookie: well cared for Subarus typically last. 80k is really nothing. A few buddies have hit 200k, and iSR has a quarter million mile club with several photos. Check the papers, and have a mechanic do a once-over. The newer Impreza and Legacy models are all best bets in used cars, according to Consumer Reports.

    Stephen: good question, but it's a tough one. Summer tires are very sporty, with soft tread and stiff sidewalls. They stick like glue, but don't last, and are good in rain but awful in snow and off road.

    Off road tires usually have taller profile and soft sidewalls, since you want that flex off road.

    You may need a skizophrenic tire to do both. I recommend you get a new set of wheels and mount summer tires on them. Then mount new snow or off-road tires on your current set.

    Otherwise, it's comprosise with a good all-season tire. The Desert Duelers are great in the snow, but not good in wet braking, and only ok in dry handling. I'm changing them, since I don't venture too far from pavement.

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    The tricky part really is if there will be any cold weather driving, especially ice and snow. If so... try something like the Pirelli P7000 SuperSport.

    If we're just talking summer driving and some dirt and gravel roads, then I'd recommend the Yokohama AVS Intermediate. Good in the rain (until nearly bald, no surprise there) and tread pattern allows for decent gravel grip but stay out of deep mud. Very scary in cold weather of any kind.

    The stock tires on my Impreza are actually fairly competent on gravel... Bridgestone Potenza RE92 v-rated. Unfortunately their tarmac performance (dry and wet) is so lame I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, especially considering the price.

    Good luck!
  • shndvnshndvn Posts: 22
    It's great to see the new conference is now up!
    I currently have a Miata but I'm looking to get
    a Forester in the next month or so. I hope I
    can contribute more in the near future but for
    now I'll have to defer to all you knowledgeable
    Subaru folks out there.

    One comment I found interesting while doing a
    little car research was about the Forester having
    mushy/soft brakes. I guess it's all relative
    because the brakes in the two Foresters I test-
    drove (2000 and 2001) were much firmer than in
    my Miata. However, I did test-drive a Passat
    wagon and the brakes were so touchy that I felt
    like I was just learning how to drive again!

    Anyway, any comments on the colors for the 2001
    Forester S with the moonroof package (black,
    white, silver, red)? I've only had a green car
    so I'm kind of stuck on what to go with but I am
    leaning towards silver. Any problems to be aware

    (San Jose, CA)

    ps. Now that there's a Subaru-specific
    conference, maybe 'Subaru' should be
    added to the Spellcheck dictionary. :)
  • aling1aling1 Posts: 225
    but, I just want to say that I went to the Pacific International Auto show tonight and it was Subaru galore! There were a couple of Subaru rally cars (Blue "Rex") with the obligatory quad Hella high intensity Rally Spot lights mounted on the hood. I snapped a few pictures and hopefully will get them to juice to place on his webpage (if he deems them worthy) as soon as I finish the roll of film and get it developed.
  • aling1aling1 Posts: 225
    Oh, I also forgot to say that I snapped a couple of pictures of a nifty lifesize cross sectional cut-out of a Subaru Forester. The Subaru announcer (explaining the mechanicals of the vehicle - AWD/Boxer engine/etc.) was kind enough to ask everyone to stand back while I took the pictures.
  • dzartmandzartman Posts: 112
    Good to see this group. You've seen my performance posts before and I hope to add a performance flavor to this group. Not all 30-year olds who buy Legacy Outbacks are staisfied with the stock setup!

    If anyone at all knows who imports Zero Sports Subaru parts (click below) please let me know, thanks!

    (Also see Subaru Performance topic in Aftermarket and Accessories #446)
  • torektorek Posts: 92
    I went to the gym late (for me) this morning, around 7:30 AM. Parked my Forester behind a Brat. In front of that was an Outback ... and a Legacy ... and (I think) a Liberty. Anyway, there was only one non-Subaru in the whole line of six cars by the gym, at 7:30 AM on a Sunday morning. :-)

  • Juice and Mike,

    A word of thanks for overseeing the new site! Your comments in the past have been very helpful, to the point and with a touch of good humor.

    I hope all who avail themselves of the new site exercise the good judgement both of you have shown. It's refreshing to find an "adult" effort these days.

    My wife ('97 Imprezza) and I ('96 Outback) are strong advocates of Subaru, especially here in Illinois. Neither car has given us the least bit of trouble and other than routine maintenance, they "visit" the dealership for washes! I've owned an SVX which I traded in on the Outback as my wife and I are avid bicyclists and we couldn't feel secure knowing the bikes were on the back of the coupe. The SVX was probably one of the best cars I ever owned and that one also has no problems in the 50,000 plus miles.

    The next wqgon will most likely be a 2001 Outback with the H6 sometime later this year.

    Juice and Mike...keep up your great work!

  • pahillpahill Posts: 2
    I'm planning to buy a new car sometime between 7/1 and 12/15/2000. I'd like an automatic Subaru Limited Wagon. What should I expect to pay? I keep seeing different dealer invoice and MSRP amounts.
    Thanks for your help.
  • Pahill,

    In the greater Chicago area, it seems as if you can purchase Outback Ltd wagons for approximately $2,500 under MSLP. At least, this is what the ads show. You may be able to strike a "better" deal, especially if you purchase a 2000 model just at the time the 2001 is introduced. Expected date is around September.

    Price often is a function of the number of dealers in your area. Here, we have nearly 12 within 25-30 miles of Chicago.

    If you live anywhere near here, I'd be glad to make introductions for you.
  • barresa11barresa11 Posts: 277
    I bought my 00 OB Ltd wagon w/auto, prem sound system (incls upgraded spkrs & 6-disc changer), autodimming mirror/compass, extra woodgrain, cargo net, ski attach. for $26,870 in Feb during Presidents' Day weekend. This was a good price for that time of year in the northern part of the USA. It seems as soon as the roads get a little squirrelly w/snow,ice, or rain the price is a little higher. I'm sure that I could get closer to the low $26k as summer approaches. My price included dealer cost plus options @ cost, $850 dealer profit plus a $189 locate fee. At the time, the color combo I wanted was hard to find. I have the Granite Pearl Black. I tried locating the car myself as I originally wanted it before I went skiing in Whistler,BC back during the second week of Feb. I did a lot of calling and faxing so I felt comfortable in paying the locate fee to dealer for their effort (I used to sell cars too). I figured the retail price of my car to be close to $29k.
    Anyhow, I hope this helps prospective buyers. As my father so wisely told me years ago, if you think you got a good deal then you did as there will always be someone else who got better.

  • barresa11barresa11 Posts: 277
    I also have the upgraded security system.

  • barresa11barresa11 Posts: 277
    It might help to tell you I bought my Soob in the Seattle metro area. OK, I'm done. :-)

  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, Maryland, USAPosts: 1,246
    Steve (stevev1): Haha, thanks for the complement.

    Don: Thanks for joining us. Regarding the "adult" effort, you must be referring to juice. Regarding to the point, I KNOW you were talking about juice. ;) Thanks for your kind words.

    Chris: A Liberty (you think) in the parking lot? Cool. Low-range transmission and other good stuff we don't get.

    Drew: You're informative posts (and photos) are always welcome!

    Dave: I think you created the performance topic about the same time Bonnie was setting up the topics here. juice and I suggested Subaru Crew - Modifications (Topic #16) to discuss modifications and performance in this part of Edmund's to put all the Subaru topics under one roof, so people wouldn't have to hunt around for the all the Subaru threads. No problem having both.

    As I know you'd like to enhance your Outback (and in case I haven't already mentioned it), you might find i Club -- North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club interesting. The site was founded by Impreza 2.5 RS owners but it's a helpful site as much of the Impreza, Legacy, and Outback platform are similar, including the Phase II engine and much of the suspension (e.g., Impreza sway bars fit the Legacy and vice versa). Also see the Legacy Forum on i Club. Warning: Not all i Club posters are courteous (read: mature; i.e., research before you post and don your flame suit).

    And while we're on the subject of sites I would be remiss if I didn't mention the best compendium of Subaru sites I've ever seen, Gordon Diamant's Sube-Directory. Gordon is the man.

    Anyone else have withdrawal yesterday while Edmund's was down? I know my productivity skyrocketed.

    ..Mike Smith Silver Spring MD USA


  • dzartmandzartman Posts: 112
    Click on the URl below to see a cool Outback deature that appears to only come on Japanese models. I think we'd buy this feature over here!!
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