Again, hard to tell from these images, but it appears the side window treatment is similar to that of the new Legacy and Outback. By that I mean there seems to be a downward tapering of the top window edge like that found on the new Legacy/Outback.
i mean what is the diff between this an the new outback in dimensions?
We don't know yet. My guess is a better comparison is not the RX 330, but the MDX, Pilot or XC90 which have 3rd-row seating. BTW, Subaru has been saying (indirectly) all along that this vehicle will be more in line with those 3 from the get-go. So this shouldn't be a surprise.
Its hard to tell with the covering, but it looks a little like a Toyota Matrix mated with a Lexus RX. Having said that, I am not dissapoint and am hopeful that I will like the finished product without the disguise.
I also agree that it looks like it is riding somewhat low. Is there any possibility that there will be an "Outback" type version? Perhaps the Tribeca, with the urban name and image is the "Legacy" version of this vehicle, and there will be a slightly taller and more outdoors oriented version also. At least that is what I am hoping, because we already have the Forester XT for my wife, and for my work my vehicle will have to have some true truck / SUV capability, which does not appear apparent in the pictures.
Tribeca," as a play on the word "tribe?" I'm wondering how Native Americans might feel, since that word is often associated with them—and that this vehicle was designed primarily as a North American product?
Tribeca as in Tri-Beck-Ah, the trendy NYC neighborhood.
side/rear image, and the size of the passengers, the vehicle looks rather large. I guessing the tires are 235/60x18, which I believe is the same size used on the Murano.
The other image also suggests/hints at some sort of lights (fog and/or driving?) directly under the headlights, at the outer edge of the two horizontal grilles.
the names Outback, Legacy and Forester all seem related... kind of in the same genre if you will. Impreza is somewhat in there too, but at least doesn't stick out too far.
Tribeca and Halifax are radical departures. it just doesn't sound like a Subaru name at all.
now this would be a really useful post if I could come up with examples of what I think other good "Subaru-like" names are... but I can't!
over at nabisco. One image has the right front passenger door open, showing leather seats and power seat controls, and a bit of the inside dash and inside door design.
OK, Forester got a Best Pick in IIHS frontal tests and a Good in their side impact tests. So the RAV4's Best Pick in the side test is actually better, but then again the equipment is optional, and I'd be willing to bet most RAV4s come without them (and are rated only Marginal). The Forester scores apply to all models.
195" long, 108" wheelbase. That's bigger than the MDX, which is just 188.5" on a 106.3" frame. So it could be roomier.
I don't like the slope of the rear window, though, box it off! They killed a whole bunch of space there, and rear headroom for the 3rd row. Form over function.
It does look good, though. I see a super-sized Mazda3 5 door, which is a good thing. You see hints of Murano and RX330 styling, too.
Of course I'm looking at the spy pics. I have to check out the pics on Nabisco.
I actually like that name better than Halifax, but Surveyor was my fave among the choices.
In the early pics the headlights look like those on the RAV4, but later you see the camo and it might be a lot different.
Mazda3 profile, big time. Though again they might be hiding the D-pillar's real look, and that could dramatically alter the styling.
Dual xorst like the Leg.
It looks TALL. And the seats are mounted way high for a Subie.
Class 3 hitch? That's Bob's optimism speaking. I'd be happy with a Class II integrated.
Wide, wide, rear doors. That alone may be the biggest improvement from an Outback. Ingress and Egress should be much easier, at least for the 2nd row.
Love the two-tone interior, definitely not boring. Looks upscale and sophisticated. I could do without the pluminum strip, but that's life, I'll take it.
These shots, to me, look good overall, though. I'm more intersted now than before, not less. Keep the prices reasonable, Subaru, please!
Class 3 hitch? That's Bob's optimism speaking. I'd be happy with a Class II integrated.
Maybe, but that big *bump* at the center bottom of the shrink-wrapped rear bumper suggests a large Class III hitch receiver, not a small Class II receiver.
since they seem to be bench-marking the BMW X5 (note the X5 in front of the Tribeca), it had better be a Class III hitch receiver. All the vehicles in this crossover class are Class III tow capable.
Judging by what we can make out, I see a lot of R1e styling cues: rear tailights and side body crease (extending from the tailights), low mounted rear license plate, headlights and grille.
For Class III & IV, yes. I think it's 2.25" or 2.5" though.
I have the 1.25" Class I. A 2" is far more universal, though.
Class I and II use this size. Check out the current Explorers. They come standard with the smaller Class II receiver, but the larger Class III receiver is a factory option.
I like the looks and its enough of a "contender" to justify waiting until next summer before deciding, but I also wish either the Surveyor or Halifax moniker ends up on the production vehicle....why name a very capable AWD 7- passenger vehicle after a place where AWD is comletely unnecessary (as the streets are either clear, plowed or no vehicles are allowed ) and offroad means going up on the sidewalk.... and that's just for the very few folks who own private vehicles! Its not a special purpose pizza/chinese -delivery vehicle! Mark
....why name a very capable AWD 7- passenger vehicle after a place where AWD is completely unnecessary (as the streets are either clear, plowed or no vehicles are allowed ) and offroad means going up on the sidewalk....
Because those are the "off road" conditions where the vast majority of AWD/4WD/SUV's/Trucks are used. IMHO, the name Tribeca really sounds like the direction that Subaru wants to go in - upscale and trendy. Halifax, and Surveyor more so, makes it sound like it's another SUV targeting at Subaru's traditional New England/PNW market.
I found it interesting that the article linked with all the pics says that the Tribeca will eventually replace the Outback. Thoughts people??
Let's face it, Halifax sounds like some souped-up fax machine.
Tribeca is not a name you'd expect to see on a car, but it is a trendy neighborhood, at least.
Subaru Surveyor rolls off the tongue nicely, and would also reinforce the Subaru brand.
No way, no how, will it replace the Outback, though. Outback is the volume model and will pay the bills. I'll be shocked - SHOCKED, if the Halifax sells even half that volume. A third, even.
Dunno, they kept the Legacy name the same and just had a record July for sales...
juice - there was nothing wrong with the Legacy name. IMHO, it doesn't conjur up an outdoorsy image like Surveyor would. I think it conjurs up an upmarket image and even though it's the existing name, it didn't have market knowledge/baggage. Subaru for many years has spent more time marketing the Outback and Forester instead. Now that they actually let people know the Legacy exists, it sells.
One thing I noticed about the sales numbers - it doesn't specify the model year. Does anyone have that info? Based on what I've seen on dealer lots in MA, 2005 Legacies barely exist. I've seen only (3) wagons and (2) sedans but plenty of new Outbacks and 04 Legacies.
Most of those Legacys are actually Outbacks. When Subaru reports sales, they include both when they say "Legacy" to make it sound like more. Outback sales are still way, way ahead of Legacy.
Now I see where they show a memo of how many of the wagons are Outbacks. In reality they only sold an additional 80 or so Legacy wagons but about 460 more Outbacks. The real jump is in sedans - about 500 units.
I'd still like to see it broken down by model year. Being in marketing I know how statistics can both lie and tell the truth depending on the spin.
The other thing I found interesting in the blurb above the spyshots on the Channel 4 website was that they described this vehicle as "jointly developed". To me this means something a little different than Saab creating a version of a Subaru vehicle. That implies that both companies are working together on the platform and overall guts of the vehicle.
Did they miss speak or is Saab actually involved with developing the Tribeca?
Also, my guess is that the record sales in July reflect that bargain hunters are clearing out the old model while the new model is creating its own excitement. I'd think it is a blend of '04 and '05 sales.
Saab has been involved earlier on, than say with the 9-2x model. I'm sure the Saab version will be more different than the Subie version. I don't expect a Impreza/9-2x type of badge-engineering deal. Having said that, does that mean Saab will have influenced the the Subie version? Don't know, but it's possible I suppose.
OK, I was poking around and found some no-haggle prices for the Pilot. They're actually discounting them a little now, at least the lower-end models.
Bob will find this funny - all 11 in stock are EXs. Not a single LX. It's the model that doesn't actually exist. I've seen 2 in my lifetime.
Any how, they have an EX for $28,960, a grand off MSRP. That's right where my target price is for the Tribeca. Note that does not have leather, and I don't want leather, so that's fine. I might add a moonroof but the price already is about the max I'd want to spend.
Funny thing is the EX with leather and Nav is demanding full MSRP ($32,870), so they discount the loaded models less. Subaru's strategy of a loaded up base model might pay off if that is where the market's demand is.
Wonder if Subaru will have Nav at that price, maybe not but a moonroof would essentially replace it. So pricing is in-line with Honda.
Like I said, not one LX model out of 11. And the loaded EXs give dealers a higher premium.
Doesn't bode too well for me, does it?
I really hope Subaru offers a Tribeca priced and equipped like that EX/cloth. Add my Subaru bucks and I should be able to get a good deal.
If not they're clearing out Odysseys now, $22k for a base LX and $25k for an EX with a DVD player. I'll be sentenced to 7 years in a van.
If not they're clearing out Odysseys now, $22k for a base LX and $25k for an EX with a DVD player. I'll be sentenced to 7 years in a van.
Come to the dark side juice, come to the dark side. When we got out Odyssey it took us less than a week to realize how silly we were trying to avoid a minivan.
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Bob
big difference between a burb and this rx330 looking thing in size. i mean what is the diff between this an the new outback in dimensions?
We don't know yet. My guess is a better comparison is not the RX 330, but the MDX, Pilot or XC90 which have 3rd-row seating. BTW, Subaru has been saying (indirectly) all along that this vehicle will be more in line with those 3 from the get-go. So this shouldn't be a surprise.
Bob
Yep, I noted that earlier.
-Brian
I also agree that it looks like it is riding somewhat low. Is there any possibility that there will be an "Outback" type version? Perhaps the Tribeca, with the urban name and image is the "Legacy" version of this vehicle, and there will be a slightly taller and more outdoors oriented version also. At least that is what I am hoping, because we already have the Forester XT for my wife, and for my work my vehicle will have to have some true truck / SUV capability, which does not appear apparent in the pictures.
Tribeca as in Tri-Beck-Ah, the trendy NYC neighborhood.
Tribeca = TRIangle BElow CAnal Street
http://www.tribeca.org/default.aspx
Ken
(a New York native)
The other image also suggests/hints at some sort of lights (fog and/or driving?) directly under the headlights, at the outer edge of the two horizontal grilles.
Bob
~c
Bob
Tribeca and Halifax are radical departures. it just doesn't sound like a Subaru name at all.
now this would be a really useful post if I could come up with examples of what I think other good "Subaru-like" names are... but I can't!
~c
didnt we read before that subaru was trying to market to gay community. they could have named it The Village? or instead of tri start with bi?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7369&sid=17- 8&n=158
Bob
-Dave
Strangely,
1. from front - it looks like RX 330
2. From side - it looks like a japanese version of TrailBlazer.
anyone agrees with me ?
Bob
195" long, 108" wheelbase. That's bigger than the MDX, which is just 188.5" on a 106.3" frame. So it could be roomier.
I don't like the slope of the rear window, though, box it off! They killed a whole bunch of space there, and rear headroom for the 3rd row. Form over function.
It does look good, though. I see a super-sized Mazda3 5 door, which is a good thing. You see hints of Murano and RX330 styling, too.
Of course I'm looking at the spy pics. I have to check out the pics on Nabisco.
-juice
In the early pics the headlights look like those on the RAV4, but later you see the camo and it might be a lot different.
Mazda3 profile, big time. Though again they might be hiding the D-pillar's real look, and that could dramatically alter the styling.
Dual xorst like the Leg.
It looks TALL. And the seats are mounted way high for a Subie.
Class 3 hitch? That's Bob's optimism speaking. I'd be happy with a Class II integrated.
Wide, wide, rear doors. That alone may be the biggest improvement from an Outback. Ingress and Egress should be much easier, at least for the 2nd row.
Love the two-tone interior, definitely not boring. Looks upscale and sophisticated. I could do without the pluminum strip, but that's life, I'll take it.
These shots, to me, look good overall, though. I'm more intersted now than before, not less. Keep the prices reasonable, Subaru, please!
-juice
Maybe, but that big *bump* at the center bottom of the shrink-wrapped rear bumper suggests a large Class III hitch receiver, not a small Class II receiver.
Bob
Bob
Judging by what we can make out, I see a lot of R1e styling cues: rear tailights and side body crease (extending from the tailights), low mounted rear license plate, headlights and grille.
Bob
I have the 1.25" Class I. A 2" is far more universal, though.
I'd get an adaptor for my bike rack, which I'm using quite often now.
I still like the R1e. The resemblance is a good thing, IMO. Just give it a proper hood so it doesn't look minivan-ish.
-juice
For Class III & IV, yes. I think it's 2.25" or 2.5" though.
I have the 1.25" Class I. A 2" is far more universal, though.
Class I and II use this size. Check out the current Explorers. They come standard with the smaller Class II receiver, but the larger Class III receiver is a factory option.
Bob
Because those are the "off road" conditions where the vast majority of AWD/4WD/SUV's/Trucks are used. IMHO, the name Tribeca really sounds like the direction that Subaru wants to go in - upscale and trendy. Halifax, and Surveyor more so, makes it sound like it's another SUV targeting at Subaru's traditional New England/PNW market.
I found it interesting that the article linked with all the pics says that the Tribeca will eventually replace the Outback. Thoughts people??
So, how how long before we get it?
Also a 5-speed manual 2.0 GT is now available too. H-6 gets 18" wheels. Also interesting, all these models get full-size spare tires!
Bob
I think that's an error.
Bob
Tribeca is not a name you'd expect to see on a car, but it is a trendy neighborhood, at least.
Subaru Surveyor rolls off the tongue nicely, and would also reinforce the Subaru brand.
No way, no how, will it replace the Outback, though. Outback is the volume model and will pay the bills. I'll be shocked - SHOCKED, if the Halifax sells even half that volume. A third, even.
-juice
LOL! And one that you can't control: HAL (aka auto climate control from last year's Forester turbo).
Bob
-juice
What do I know? LOL
-juice
Surveyor does sound good but IMHO it reinforces their existing brand image - not the one they want to have.
-juice
juice - there was nothing wrong with the Legacy name. IMHO, it doesn't conjur up an outdoorsy image like Surveyor would. I think it conjurs up an upmarket image and even though it's the existing name, it didn't have market knowledge/baggage. Subaru for many years has spent more time marketing the Outback and Forester instead. Now that they actually let people know the Legacy exists, it sells.
One thing I noticed about the sales numbers - it doesn't specify the model year. Does anyone have that info? Based on what I've seen on dealer lots in MA, 2005 Legacies barely exist. I've seen only (3) wagons and (2) sedans but plenty of new Outbacks and 04 Legacies.
I'm sure they are 2005s, mostly.
-juice
I'd still like to see it broken down by model year. Being in marketing I know how statistics can both lie and tell the truth depending on the spin.
Did they miss speak or is Saab actually involved with developing the Tribeca?
Also, my guess is that the record sales in July reflect that bargain hunters are clearing out the old model while the new model is creating its own excitement. I'd think it is a blend of '04 and '05 sales.
Bob
-juice
Bob will find this funny - all 11 in stock are EXs. Not a single LX. It's the model that doesn't actually exist. I've seen 2 in my lifetime.
Any how, they have an EX for $28,960, a grand off MSRP. That's right where my target price is for the Tribeca. Note that does not have leather, and I don't want leather, so that's fine. I might add a moonroof but the price already is about the max I'd want to spend.
Funny thing is the EX with leather and Nav is demanding full MSRP ($32,870), so they discount the loaded models less. Subaru's strategy of a loaded up base model might pay off if that is where the market's demand is.
Wonder if Subaru will have Nav at that price, maybe not but a moonroof would essentially replace it. So pricing is in-line with Honda.
Like I said, not one LX model out of 11. And the loaded EXs give dealers a higher premium.
Doesn't bode too well for me, does it?
I really hope Subaru offers a Tribeca priced and equipped like that EX/cloth. Add my Subaru bucks and I should be able to get a good deal.
If not they're clearing out Odysseys now, $22k for a base LX and $25k for an EX with a DVD player. I'll be sentenced to 7 years in a van.
Help, Subaru!
-juice
Come to the dark side juice, come to the dark side. When we got out Odyssey it took us less than a week to realize how silly we were trying to avoid a minivan.