Zaino Car Care Experiences

seelig

imagination, but since the guy i buy all my zaino product from has been out of the clay bars, i bought two of the mother's clay kits. in one the bar was pliable like pblevine describes, and the other was like hard taffy. had to clay the rado two days ago to remove water spots, and guess which bar slipped out of my hand? tossed it and used the other for the rest and decided to toss it as well. going to put in an order for a couple more and some Z-5. like pb says, it really works miracles on the swirls left by normal washing.

Bushwack

Not having the need for Z-5 (thankfully), I don't understand how Z-5 can hide (mask?) scratches and swirls. Excuse my ignorance, but does it 'fill the scratches and swirl marks'? As much as I stand behind Z1, Z2, Z6 and marvel at the results of these products...I just don't understand how Z5 can make a difference on scratch/swirl marks.
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I recall watching a late night infomercial (hosted by an English pitchman) a couple years ago of a product where you mix various colors to come as close as possible to your car's color. Then you apply this 'mixture' to swirls/scratches', buff out the edges and hopefully, good as new - the color mixture filled the scratch! This sounds like it would have better possibilities of getting the job done then using Z-5 (again, ingnorant of how an all-in-one product works on a cornucopia of paint colors).
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pblevine

cannot "fill" scratches. Touch up paint and other methods are better for that task. Lets define "scratch" as grooves which cut into the paint layers.

"Swirls" and/or "spider webs" are tiny scratches or grooves in the very top of the clear coat or Zaino layers (or wax for those who use waxes). They are commonly caused by abrasives being rubbed against the top of the finish. Z5 CAN fill them. Z5 is a softer form of Z2 and can penatrate into the swirls. And because Z5 also has very good optical properties, it also hides these tiny scratches by helping to transmit light more evenly. In other words, Z5 is best used on irregularities in clear protective layers. So, Z5 is not an "all in one" product, cannot substitute for missing paint, but can eliminate problems in clear layers. At least that's my understanding of how Z5 operates.

daverose

I hope you meant skill at gettin a "thin" coat.

bat1161

Any one heard anything about the "super-z" Sal is coming out with? I will be doing a copule of cars within 2 weeks, and if he has it ready soon, I can wait for the conveience of not having to wait overnight between coats.

Thanks,
Mark

pblevine

is Sal's working title for the so-called "super-Z". According to Fastdriver, its due out in a month or so. I'm waiting for it too. From what I understand, a few drops of ZFX added to about an ounce of Z2 will do the trick.

By the way, where is fastdriver. I'll bet he's on vacation and running around in his CL-S.

joebob6

I have used both for awhile now. While Z2 is supposed to have higher optical properties I really like the filling properties of Z5...and I find Z5 to be shinier than Z2 but that is just my opinion using my amateur eye.

Since my car is a daily driver, parked outdoors 365days 24hr/7day...I am using Z5 exclusively. The last time I ordered I did not get any Z2.
I figure Z5 will help combat some of the minor swirls and minor scratches from everyday environmental factors, etc.

The ZFX will provide instant curing and faster drying. It will allow multiple coats too, but unless you are detailing in an air conditioned garage, the temperature is too hot for me to even do one coat let alone multiple coats.

cdnpinhead

Consider me one of the "practical" members of this forum. From time to time I gently prod those who I feel are more, let's say, "careful" in their use of Zaino products. I use the stuff because it gives a great finish and (after the initial ritual) quick and effective touch-ups.

That said, the clay is pretty neat stuff. A year ago, when I ordered mine, it came in a twist-cap plastic jar that contained two blocks of clay encased in a plastic cover meant, I imagine, to keep it from drying out. Well, it didn't dry out, but taking the pastic off was an ordeal. Once that was accomplished, the clay pulled off crud from behind the wheel wells on my LS and left the car smooth as silk. I also had a shot at using the bar on my wife's minivan that had some kind of junk on it distributed from a vehicle ahead of her, and the clay was the only thing I found that removed the spots.

graphicguy

After helping my brother-in-law (BIL) clay and Zaino for the first time, I just wanted to extend a "caveat" to those that use clay after it has dried out a bit.

My BIL had bought some Mother's clay from PEP Boys last year and let it sit in his garage over a cold winter. Of course, it was fairly stiff when he pulled it out to use this summer. He did not massage the clay to get it into more pliable condition.

The results were less than stellar and caused a lot of unneccessary hard work to clay his GMC Jimmy. It took two days to get half of the Jimmy smoothed out.

The other half was clayed using "new" clay (just happened to be my stash of Zaino clay), which took all of about 30 minutes.

Not that the Mother's clay was bad as I've used it before, just that it was too stiff to really work with after being frozen in his garage over the winter.

Moral of the story...use fresh clay! Also, store your car cleaning duds in a warm place to those of you who live in harsh winter climates (like Ohio).

joebob6

wrote, "Well, it didn't dry out, but taking the pastic off was an ordeal."

The plastic wrapping problem has been resolved...newer Zaino claybars use a different wrapping now.

squidd99

If taking the plastic (or pastic) wrapping off of the clay is an "ordeal," I look forward to the rest of the process.

daverose

I'm hoping to use my sample of ZFX tomorrow, weather permitting; thunderstorms are predicted here. I've had lots of travel related to work and my Zaino sideline had to suffer. What I've read and recall of the last few weeks' posts about ZFX has been correct except for the very recently cited decrease in drying time; I do not recall that being one of the characteristics of ZFX. But, based on Sal's directions, one thing has not been cited; the effectiveness of the additive decreases over time after it has been mixed in; I seem to recall that it is after 8 hours. Without asking him directly, it would seem that he is trying to provide a critical incentive to professional detailers to use Zaino in a more widespread way. For a product to take as long for each coat to cure as these do and for multiple applications to provide the more visually satisfactory results, is not attractive to most detailers; the element of time really becomes a factor. ZFX could be an effort to overcome this time constraint. Certainly time is precious to us all, but for non-commercial car caretakers, it is less of a consideration most of the time, and even adds an element of relaxation to the effort.

joebob6

"What I've read and recall of the last few weeks posts about ZFX has been correct except for the very recently cited decrease in drying time."

That is one of the most important characteristics of ZFX. It was #2 on his internet ZFX preview promotion..."2. It will reduce the drying time, thus making the polish more user friendly
in damp environments..."

Many people complain here and on many other forums that it never dries...Drying time has never been an issue for me so I don't make a big deal about it. According to Sal, it would be able to dry in light rain or fog with ZFX.

People also complain that you "have to use 2 products Z1, Z2 or Z1,Z5." Again, no big deal IMHO...you only do this once every six months or 10 coats of polish.

Zaino is not being marketed at professional detailers although it probably could. Most professional detail shops use products that are inexpensive that can be bought in large 1, or 5 gallon jugs and usually they apply and remove with machines.

daverose

Well, as my post said it was my recollection rather than re-reading Sal's email on the spot. My main point, and underlying reason for posting, is that, at this point, as promising as it is, ZFX doesn't seem to be what a lot of posters think it is. My test package was a two ounce clear plastic container with the familiar Zaino flip-up nozzle screw-on top, with a glass "inch" inside and some of the brown paper packing that Zaino uses in their shipping. An "inch" is one of those perfume/shaving lotion sample containers with the product inside, a clear liquid; I haven't opened it, so don't know if there's a distinctive "flavor" or "aroma" this comes in. I have no clue how the final product will be packaged. It seems a good bit of progress, but it's not a new "wonder" version of Zaino to my way of thinking.

Like I, joebob6, you seem to feel that the current products suit our needs just fine and the time related to using it isn't bothersome to us. But change is one of the facts of life, and if this makes a good product more appealing and user-friendly, you go for it.

dhanley

No, you're not the only on who thinks the zaino is a crock. Lots of people have posted that they shelled out the money for it, and nothing special happens. Unfortunately, they seem to get shouted down pretty effectively.

I did an actual test. Zaino, and megiars. Not too hard, right? BUT i did the "extra" zaino steps to the meguiars side. dawn, clay, dawn, putting on numerous layers. And you know what? After the test, friends i asked to differentiate the sides could not. After months, the results were the same.

Frankly, claying alone gives you many of these benefits. After a good clay job, the paint feels silky smooth, has a great gloss, and beads water.

That's where the above test failed, i think. If you use all those multiple steps with a lot of cheaper products, i virtually guarantee you that you will get similar results.

dave

pblevine

I do not agree with your statement. I've done the same "series" of steps with two wax products. Megiars did look as good as Zaino after initial application. But after 4 months of daily commuting, it was just no contest. And the test in this topic's primary link comes to the same conclusion. Hey, if someone likes their favorite wax above a polymer product like Zaino, no problem. But endurance can be measured objectively, and I dare say Zaino is the best in that category.

pblevine

joebob6: My applications of Z5 also seem to shine a but better. But as I understand it, Z2 is the endurance champ. And as a commuter, I really like the endurance of Z2. I alternate between the two products.

Graphicguy: Good to hear from you.
CD: I've had the same problem getting the damn plastic wrap off my clay bars too. What a pain. 'Had to use my little box cutter razor and it took my 5 minutes. I hope joebob is correct about the new packaging of this otherwise great product.

Daverose: I think the time period for a mixed batch of ZFX is 6 hours. I was able to apply three coats of "altered" Z5 in four hours. I'll admit, however, it was a clear, warm, and very dry day.

I was going to apply a layer of Z2 this last weekend, but was really rained out. And last night, I drove through a violent thunderstorm which just produced tons of water. After I got to work this morning, I looked the car over, and found that my three layers of Z5 have held up perfectly. And the temperature in the North East has come down to normal too. Ah, life is good.

rcarboni

I don't think Zaino is a crock, but I also have had a lot of trouble in the drying area. I have a black 2000 Regal that I have never been able to get a haze-free shine especially on the hood. It looks good for the most part, but every once in a while on a really sunny day, you catch that haze streak on a certain angle that just drives you nuts.

What's the secret? I've tried letting it dry overnight, dry in the sun, removing with some light water spray, rubbing til my arms are numb - still there. I am going to try again soon by washing with Dawn dish liquid repeatedly until there is absolutely no wax remaining. Then I'll let it dry in the sun AND overnight and see what happens.

Thanks for any help.

pblevine

This is actually not the right place for such advice (See the Zaino topic), But:

I don't know the answer. It could be a paint defect, or a dirty layer laid down prior to the Zaino layer, or some wax that was not completely removed. You might want to email Sal Zaino at his website (www.zainobros.com) for advice. I too have experienced long drying times due to cool temperatures and too much humidity. Hey, no product is perfect, they all are subject to the laws of chemistry.

joebob6

"But as I understand it, Z2 is the endurance champ"

You are the first person that I have seen state that.
According to Sal and the website it has the highest optical clarity.(99.8% as compared to Z5's 97%?)

re:daverose
My understanding of the final packaging of ZFX will be, (but this may change) is that it will have the same application container as in the sample, but instead of a vial, it would be packaged in a small dropper bottle. You would put the appropriate amount of Z2, Z3, or Z5 in the application bottle and then add the right number of drops of ZFX per directions, shake well, and wait at least 8 minutes for the chemical reaction to start taking place. Then you must use it up within (I believe) 6 hours as you have stated.
"ZFX doesn't seem to be what a lot of posters think it is."
ZFX is not an aroma, nor a stand alone product. It makes a chemical reaction which allows the following to occur. There will no longer be a need to use two products. More significantly, drying time is tremendously reduced, curing time is immediate, and you can apply multiple coats.

I think it is a kind of "wonder" version of Zaino for first time users...as long as they apply thin coats and don't use up the amount in the application bottle before finishing up their first coat.

daverose

There goes my recollection reputation, which wasn't particularly noteworthy to begin with. I'd have bet a whole quarter that the timing was: wait 6 minutes after you've shaken it up to use it and the effectiveness drops off after 8 hours. "My" 8 hours may have been why I thought the biggest target for ZFX was detailers; a workday's worth of useability. Even if I am correct, you could not go wrong using your numbers. Guess it's a good thing I didn't use my sample yesterday and have until the weekend to refind Sal's emailed directions.

dhanley

I do agree that endurance cn be objectively measured, but i still say it's an effect of the claying, and the multiple layers of product that gives zaino any advantage whatsoever over normal off-the-shelf products.

At least we seem to agree that that "mile-deep-incomparable-shine" stuff is a bit off the mark.

dave

pblevine

Now there you go again. Actually, good surface preparation (claying and washing) prior to application is a very significant contributor to both endurance and shine. For any product. No argument. And in Zaino's case multiple coats DO contribute to its shine, protection, and endurance too. And that's only common sense.

pblevine

I'm not sure where I read it (that Z2 lasts longer). Could have been from Chris Parrish or someone else who did a comparison test. Also, it was Z2 that was used in the Zymol comparison documented in that other topic. Actually, we could ask Sal. All I really know is that I love the results from Z5 but will continue to alternate between Z2 and Z5.

pjyoung

Don't know which lasts longer, but I put a couple of coats of Z5 on my car about a month and a half ago, and ended up parking it at the airport long-term lot (next to the runways - luv that kerosene coating) and in the intense sun for 2 weeks. Washed it Sunday with some Z7 and the water beaded like new. I have gone thru the winter months (November thru April) with a couple of coats of Z2 and the beading seemed to start to diminish by early March. FWIW, we had a rather harsh winter, with lots of roadsalt and that lovely slushy, salty, muddy mist that gets thown all over.

pureevil

I guess I'm officially a convert to Z. I have been an advid user of Mequire's products for years, but with all this talk, I'm ready to give Z a try. Two questions however:

1. No where on this forum, or on the Z web page have I seen any mention of wax. Does the Z multi product system eliminate the need to wax? Or does the Z2 and Z5 contain wax? Stupid question, but I'm used to wash-prep-polish-wax. This system just polishes multiple times.

2. Is there any where else to get this product. I'm impatient and would hate to wait for my order to get there..then theirs to get here.

Great pictures posted in this forum, so I know you guys know of what you speak. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for the Z idea!

pjyoung

Z isn't a wax...it's a polymer, so in that respect it does eliminate the need to "wax". I believe you'll find that Z will outlast anything you may have used in the past.

You can e-mail Sal to see if there is a distributor in your area, though in all honesty, the turnaround time is very quick ordering by mail. I've waited no more than 10 days from the day I sent the check to the day my order is sitting at my front door...and that longest wait was the week of Christmas!

squidd99

It's always nice to have another convert. Your questions can be answered by reading the material at www.zainobros.com.

As mentioned, Zaino is not a wax, it's used instead of wax because it's better in almost every respect.

I think there is a page on the Zaino web page that lists a few dealers and one other web sales outlet that allows you to order with a credit card, which might speed delivery, but I have never had to wait more than 7 or 8 days for delivery.

pblevine

As mentioned by pj and squidd above, the Zaino products (ie: Z2 and Z5) use a polymer base rather than wax. To us users, this means no polishing, buffing, or waxing. Just apply, let dry, and wipe the residue off. Again, I'll second both pj and squidd on your referencing the Zaino website for full directions. And I've also found that mail-in orders have a very quick turn around time. Enjoy!

pureevil

Thanks for all the advise guys...i'll let you know how I make out

rowlandj

I just used the Zaino treatment on my new car - to say that I am pleased is an understatement. I am amazed with the results and I hope the shine lasts as long as I have heard it will.

I was at first a bit concerned re: the multi-step processes but the hardest thing is waiting between applications. It is very easy to use and well worth the wait.

Thanks to all here for the great postings as they helped me a great deal.

Regards to all,

JR

graphicguy

Purely annecdotal evidence of the endurance of Z2 vs. Z5, but I've used both (usually the Z5 with a couple of coats right before and right after the harsh winter months). I use the Z5 as much for the endurance as for the "anti-spiderweb" properties. I know that 2 coats of Z5 lasts at least 6 months with no noticeable degredation of shine or beading while being pounded with gravel and salt.

Since I only use Z2 in the Spring/Summer months, I can attest to it being as durable as the Z5. IMHU, the Z2 still leaves a slightly richer shine than Z5.

That said, my finish does not get abused with salt/sand/gravel in the summer like it does in the winter.

Both products protect very well, as we all know.

Thanks, PB. I don't get around here nearly as much as I used to. Work has been keeping me in South America recently. The internet connections in Brazil aren't nearly as reliable as they are here in the good 'ole U.S of A. Broadband is tough to come by down there, too.

Good to stop in on occasion, though!

pblevine

Welcome back and good to hear from you. 'Hope you don't have to drive all the way to South America. Hehe.

fastdriver

Glad I was missed here- pblevine! ;-) I was in the West Palm Beach, FL area for almost 3 weeks. A lot "cooler" there then it was in CT! Just got back at 2 AM on Monday and have been trying to catch up on a million things.

From reading the messages above, I gather that Sal has not come out with the ZFX yet? I was hoping he'd have it out before Labor Day. I did try a sample of it. You do mix the little clear vile with the Z2 or Z5 and shake it up and wait 6 minutes and then start to apply it. It dries right away. I have never had the drying problem that many others have experienced either. I love the fact that you can put multiple coats on the same day! The day I used it, I was only able to put on 2 coats if I remember correctly because I had to go out. Somewhere in my profile above- at photopoint.com I think- I have the pics from that day. I think the album is called ZFX test.

Funny that some of you mentioned getting the plastic off of the clay bar. I had the same problem. That was harder then using the stuff! LOL...

I'll have to e-mail Sal and see what the latest is. I can't wait to get this new stuff. My car looks incredible right now, but I want to put on more coats of Z2, Z5 and Z6 BEFORE the snow starts flying around here.

fastdriver

dpettyjo

All that I can say is that I am very pleased on how well Zaino held up on my wifes van. I went and prep'd the van, did the Z-1/Z-2 and then the next day did the Z-5 and followed both up with the Z-6. This was in mid April and I went back to Kuwait. Just returned and all that I can say is it did very well. My wife takes the van through the car wash - yes, one of those with the brushes - and it is still looking good even after 4 months. The rain still beads up, the shine is great, and looks brand new!

Thanks Sal for the wonderful product. Now to do it to my new Ford Escape!

Don

elantra00

I put it on my 1996 Jeep cherokee. Z-1 and 2 coats of Z-2. Before I put it on, I stripped all the wax off with Dawn. I then clay barred the entire car. Then did the Zaino treatment. Came out nice and shiny. The car was always cared for properly, but what really stunned me is how the paint felt after I was done. It felt like glass. All slick and clean. Better then just waxing it. My 2k Elantra is still a bit new to do this too. Another year and I ll do the whole thing on it. But what a difference it made to a car that was not garaged kept and has 120,000 miles on it.

fastdriver

elantra00-

You got 120,000 miles out of a Chrysler product?? WOW! I'm impressed. How many dealer visits did that take? ;-))

"My 2k Elantra is still a bit new to do this too."

WRONG!! NOW is the PERFECT time to Z it BEFORE it gets all crapped up. Dawn, clay and then Z1/Z2 or Z5 followed by Z6 ASAP!! Don't wait a year!

fastdriver

pjyoung

My brother got 200K miles out of his Jeep Grand Cherokee...nothing but routine maintenance.

squidd99

A car can't be too new to protect it.

I did the whole Z thing on my new Lexus as soon as I got it.

What in the world are you waiting for?

pblevine

fastdriver: Welcome back! We've had a few funnies with our non-Zaino Host types. Humor, however, goes a long way and they seem very cooperative these days.

pj: The Jeep is well built. But that line with bought by the "C" corporation. The rest of their products don't measure up quality wise.

dpettyjo: The van's Zaino coating was put through a killer-brush car wash? Oh, no! And the "Z" lasted? I hate those places and their brushes have been known to strip paint. Anyway, you must be lucky!

graphicguy

Off topic, but...

Funny you should mention about driving to Brazil. I actually thought about what an adventure that would be...driving through Mexico, Central America, South America. It would take a while to get to Rio. It's almost 5,000 miles in a plane (from where I live). Gotta be 10,000 miles by car. Gas is plentiful down there but it costs about $3/gal. Everything else is relatively cheap there for someone from the U.S. A typical U.S. salary would allow you to live quite well in Brazil.

Everyone drives small cars down there. Lots of Ford "KA"s. Cute, but they would get crushed by the typical American iron. Of course, there are plenty of interesting cars down there you just can't get in the U.S. Citroen...tiny Mercedes...different looking cars from the "Big 3". I saw a Corolla that was considered "big" by their standards and called a "Lexus".

Biggest car I saw was from GM and looked to be a cross between a Malibu/Cavalier/Prism. I forget what it was called.

I wonder if Sal would give me an exclusive distributorship for Zaino down there?

dpettyjo

pblevine: Yep, the 'Z' lasted. It finally is a nice day with no rain here so I am going to put the first touch of "Z" on my new Ford Escape. Hope to get 2 coats on before going out of town on Wendesday.

I was in Kuwait so I couldn't take care of the van - and I wasn't going to tell my wife that she had to handwash the van!

Don

pblevine

I can image what the sands of Kuwait would do to a car. What did you drive over there. I'll bet it was a Hummer. On your wife washing the van, tell her to find one of those "brushless" places. At least they use various cloths rather than brushes. Not great, but at least they won't strip your paint.

graphicguy: Was it a vacation or business in Brazil? I would be interesting to have a Zaino distributorship for an entire country like Brazil.
I remember reading about someone who drove from Alaska (Nome) to the southern end of Chile. I think they used a Land Rover and indeed it took many weeks.

joe166

I had to travel through almost every country in South and Central America for the DOD and I will tell you that I never once saw anyone that detailled their own car. In fact, most cars are cleaned by servants using a bucket of dirty water and dirty rags. If given a product like Zaino, I would bet lots of money that it would be used generously, improperly and injudiciously. Obviously there are exceptions as I saw some limo's and chauffer driven cars that were apparently well maintained, but I think that despite the huge number of people it would be a losing proposition. I spent at least a month in about 10 or 12 different countries and never saw anyone polishing a car. Don't spend a lot on the franchise fee, it is a different lifestyle. My partner is from Central America and he, like most of his family and friends learned to open his hood for the first time when he went into exile. I am not saying it is better or worse, but it is decidedly different.

fastdriver

pblevine-

"fastdriver: Welcome back! We've had a few funnies with our non-Zaino Host types. Humor, however, goes a long way and they seem very cooperative these days."

Thanks. I have spent the past week trying to catch up on all my topics here. It will take a while longer for the 300M group. There are hundreds of messages there!

My car looks so good that all I had to do was wash it. I imagine that I'll get a "few" more coats of Z on before the snow flies!

fastdriver

Bushwack

Unavoidably, I was behind a gravel truck on the freeway the other day juuuust long enough for some "crap" to fall its way onto the hood of my car. Lo and behold, I have a 1/8" diameter 'scratch' on my hood.
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My question is...having used Z1, Z2, Z6 religiously since buying the car (a few months ago), is it time to apply Z5 on the effected area? If so, will it make a difference with a scratch that big? Or...do I need to apply touch up paint first and... FYI...the color of the car is called 'Silver Galaxy Paint'. Any advice would be appreciated.

joe166

If you can feel it, it is probably not a job for Z-5. Maybe it can be fixed with a cutting agent such as polishing compound, various other products that feature abrasives or even wet sanding. Try the least aggressive method first, a polish with mild abrasive and go to more abrasive products saving the most aggressive, wet sanding for last. Read back through this and the other polish forum for lots of ideas. When I got a small chip from a stone or gravel on my pearl white paint I used the technique from Carcareonline.com which was right on. A touch up with a toothpick sounds silly, but it worked great and it cant be seen at all. I also used the technique on my daughters Corolla, but my wife didn't trust me and gave it to the body shop at the Lexus dealer. Her loss. You can see her touch up easily, I defy anyone to find mine. Just be patient when working with any sort of touch up if needed.

dpettyjo

pblevine: Nope - didn't drive a hummer, they issued me a Toyota Camry during my stay there.

I have my first coat of "Z" on my Ford Escape, I hope to put another one on tomorrow!

Don

pblevine

dpettyjo: No Hummer? Well at least they didn't issue you a camel. Good luck with the Ford Escape.

Bushwack: Please follow the advice from joe166. In general, when the scratch goes through the Zaino (or wax) layers, through the clear coat, and damages the primary paint layers, corrective painting is in order. If the scratch is just touching the paint, the buffing compound route is effective. But if the damage goes through the paint, then you should use touch up paint. You should be able to obtain the correct touch up paint from your dealer. If you check back into previous posts on this topic, there are numerous explanations of the proper touch-up painting methods. Using a tooth pick to paint a scratch is just one of those recommendations.

fastdriver: Enjoy the catch up. You missed some reallllly big rain storms in Westchester and CT.
And a lot of heat. Why, it was soooo hot that Howard Stern couldn't talk, Clinton didn't want to meet his new "interns", cars fell though the gaps in expansion joints on the GW Bridge, and steaks cooked on the trunks of Acura CL's had to be thrown onto BBQ Grills to cool them off. My Zaino finish was not affected.

graphicguy

PB...like joe166, I never saw one "detailed" car while in Brazil.

"Why, it was soooo hot that Howard Stern couldn't talk, Clinton didn't want to meet his new "interns", cars fell though the gaps in expansion joints on the GW Bridge, and steaks cooked on the trunks of Acura CL's had to be thrown onto BBQ Grills to cool them off. My Zaino finish was not affected. "

You just made me spit out my coffee I laughed so hard.

Alaska to South America by car? Now there's an adventure for someone with some time on their hands.

joe166--what I saw in Brazil were real, honest to goodness, "full service" gas stations. They pumped the gas, cleaned your windows, checked tire pressure and even offered to send your car through an automated car wash. These were "Shell" stations where I saw that. No shiny Zaino'd cars, though. I drove a Citroen and Fiat rental while I was there. Fun cars, but way too small for my tastes.

fastdriver--I can't believe that your CL would ever get dirty enough for you to wash it. How many zaino coats do you have on it now?