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Dodge Sprinter low boost problem
i am working on a 2005 sprinter 2500 at a independent shop. i'm only able to get generic codes and little data with snapon scanners.
what i noticed is it will run out strong then the turbo will shut off, if i turn the truck off it resets and works for a short time. the code is a low boost code but no help with diagnostics.i first replaced the boost sensor and fuel filter, followed with a boost solinoid which comes as a turbo assembly.
i can't get past the reset issue and it makes me lean toward electronics, and its costing me a pretty penny cause i cant charge for what i dont fix.
thank for any help.
what i noticed is it will run out strong then the turbo will shut off, if i turn the truck off it resets and works for a short time. the code is a low boost code but no help with diagnostics.i first replaced the boost sensor and fuel filter, followed with a boost solinoid which comes as a turbo assembly.
i can't get past the reset issue and it makes me lean toward electronics, and its costing me a pretty penny cause i cant charge for what i dont fix.
thank for any help.
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Check for all loose connections to air box, turbo, both ends of intercooler, and especially the turbo resonator (do not over-tighten). Double check for holes in the intercooler as well.
Double and triple check the TURBO RESONATOR, it is probably split due to manufacturing problems, vibrations, and/or stresses like turbo pressure...
Turbo Resonator is the black plastic box on the front of the turbo into which the boosted air goes prior to going into the intercooler input hose.
recommended to replace with the part from Riordan = no more failure (aluminum part)...
http://www.riordanco.com/projects_success.htm
KenB :shades:
please fill out a dealer form here on the Edmunds site, we need to know where the solid Sprinter dealers are, now more than ever...
As our Sprinters start to age we really need to know who can keep us running in tip-top shape...
What year was your chassis build?
KEnB :confuse:
I am assuming the Turbo Resonator failed again as I had the exact same symptoms as before. I have ordered the Resonator Eliminator from http://www.riordanco.com/our_products_catalog.htm#sprinterTurboResonator and intend to just install that once I get the vehicle back.
I will be speaking to Service Manager on Monday to confirm the problem. My 3500 has about 5,200 miles on it so this 2nd failure happened about 2,500 miles after the first one. Not very impressive reliability and I am amazed that the manufacturer and the dealer would let this $20 piece of plastic jeopardize the reputation of their brand. :surprise:
The problem seems well known and documented. I take special note of the fact that a Dodge Dealer requested Riordance to create a part that would permanently fix the problem. What is wrong with MB?
Hoping that with the resonator eliminator installed we can then enjoy our Winnebago View which is a perfect size for us.
However, the Service Director at Cherokee Chrystler Dodge Jeep in Canton, GA has informed me that my Sprinter warranty is voided if I install the Resonator Eliminator from link title. He claims I must use the Dodge part no matter how many times it fails and if I use any other part, including specifically the Resonator Eliminator, they will considered that act an unauthorized repair and Dodge will VOID THE WARRANTY for the entire vehicle. When I asked for this warranty cancellation policy in writing, the request was refused. He then told me that he could no longer talk to me about the issue due to the potential for litigation. Here is his email:
From: Cherokee CDJ Service Director
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 09:28
To: 'ETroup'
Subject: RE: Sprinter 3500 Turbo Resonator Failures
I cannot answer for other dealers or Chrysler Corporation. I can only relay information I’m given. As much as I would like to assist you I will not be able to relay information to you in the future. I will be happy to help in any way that conforms to the warranty or with maintenance needs you may have. As I told you on the phone I don’t have the power to cancel your warranty that can only be done by the manufacture.
Cherokee CDJ
Service Director
When provided with a list of other Dodge dealers installing the Resonator Eliminator without having any problem with the warranty, he told me he did not have any control over what other dealers did but that they were all in violation of their dealer agreements with Dodge and wrong. When I complained that this position was unreasonable, he just gave me the number for Chrysler in Detroit and basically told me to go away.
He sent the following email:
From: Cherokee CDJ Service Director
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:16
To: 'ETroup'
Subject: RE: Sprinter 3500 Turbo Resonator Failures
The phone number for Chrysler 1-800-992-1997.
Cherokee CDJ
Service Director
In response, I have taken the following preliminary steps:
1. I have filed a complaint with Winnebago's Director of Customer Relations. He has informed that they have had previous conversations with Dodge / MB on this very issue but that the manufacturer denies that there is any problem. He said he would raise the issue again but was not very positive that Mercedez Benz would be responsive.
2. I have filed a complaint with the National Highway Safety Admininistration at link title.
I would encourage all that have experienced this problem to do the same to make sure there is maximum visability on this problem. Go the NHTSA-ODI website and file a complaint on the vehicle. Select Trucks and Buses and the Sprinter 3500 comes up. It only takes a few minutes. You need your VIN Number and the date(s) of incidents. DO IT! Only if the these safety and reliability issues are reported will Dodge and Mercedez Benz become motivated to actually fix the problem. Here is the complete link inside NHTSA-ODI again: link title
On my way from fl. to oh. in ga. it went in to limp mode 3 times within a 100 miles before the check engine light came on.
I Went to Bill Butler Dodge in Warner Robbins, Ga.
They Could not have been better.
I was in and out in 1 1/2 hrs with a new resonator installed.
They said that they have replaced a few of them.
Is that 2 or 200, he would'nt say.
I know i was very pleased with thier service on my sprinter.
I post my story so others will be better informed and perhaps can pressure Dodge for better service and better trained techs.
Sorry I did not see your post sooner. Cherokee Chrysler Dodge Jeep in Canton, GA , if they are still in business after the BK is 100% wrong on the warranty issue. If they continue to voice such garbage I will have my attorney contact them. The aluminum turbo resonator eliminator is not only approved for installation, it is being recommended by Dodge Sprinter service reps all across the Country. Further, the Magnuson warranty act would specifically MAKE them honor your warranty, since this part does not change the operation, or function of any system on the vehicle. The POS plastic resonator is nothing more than a poorly engineered plastic "muffler" for turbo noise and serves no other function other than placing you in limp home whan it breaks. If you wish to install the aluminum part and have any more warranty voiding threats from them, please contact me at riordanco dot com and I will be happy to have them warned by Dodge to quit passing out false information. I will also be happy to supply you with a list of Dodge dealers who will tell you that the factory representative has told the Sprinter service reps to replace the plastic one with the aluminum one, UNDER WARRANTY after complaints by customers of multiple failures on the road. Best regards, Jim Riordan
Sorry to hear about your resonator failures. The Sprinter is a really great vehicle overall. Suggest you simply replace the Plastic one with the aluminum lifetime part and it won't happen again. Also suggest all 2.7 liter folks check their "Air mass temperature sender" located in the turbo hose on the drivers side top of the engine. It can be carefully removed by pinching the two little prongs together and gently pulling it out of the fitting on the hose. If the tip of the sensor is blue in color you are good to go . . if not, have dodge replace it. It is only about a $25 dollar part but the earlier (pre-bluetip) ones will put you in limp home mode if they get oil on them, which (sigh) they are destined to sooner or later. Best regards, Jim Riordan
I brought my 2005 Sprinter for an oil change to an independent mechanic. As I drove home, the "HI oil" light came up on the dashboard. After about 20 miles the engine temperature started raising, and then the turbo quit - the van was still moving but at only 55 mph. The next day, I started driving it and the same very thing occured: the turno was working OK for first 15 miles, the T went up, the "HI OIL" light came on, the turbo quit and we were back to 55 mph.
P.S. The mechanic didn't return my calls. SHould I try to drain some oil, or is it not related and if so, what should I do about it?
Thank you,
Lana
we have a navion rv on an '05 sprinter 3500 chasis (24K miles on it) and it's friday evening and my wive is stuck around mt. shasta with what seems to me a repetition of what happened in aug '08 (5K miles ago) when we had the resonator replaced by the dodge dealer in petaluma ca.
from what i'm reading on this forum i assume that they replaced the plastic resonator with another plastic one and that it's broken again.
here's my questions where in northern CA can she find a mechanic that would reliably deal with this and where can we get the aluminum replacement for the crappy plastic one?
it's so nice to find out that there is forums where real people help other real people
i might come to like this
sincerely
richeart
-good news after all
r
I own a 2007 diesel myself and last summer I experienced the same scary thing while I was going 75 mph on high way 25 in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming, and it was completely dark where there was no sign of civilization...the engine kept going to a limp mode for a few times then died while we were traveling that fast. I pulled over the road and restarted the engine when that happened. Whenever that happened my wife asked and I had to lie to her that I had to take a short break.
I finally made it to city of Loveland, CO. The next day I took my van to a dealer in Boulder and they found two codes. They checked things out and off I went home after a few days. On my way back while I was trying to pass a slow moving van, it went to a limp mode a gain. This time there was a Toyota pickup truck from a guy behind me that was doing 85 mph. He got sandwiched and almost killed by two slow moving vans!!!!
I learned from the Dodge in CO that they did not do any thing, just reset the computer. I finally got home and took it to my dealer. Nothing was detected! I finally replaced the fuel filter and the problem went away.
To the day I am convinced that I might have picked up a bad load of fuel a long the way from Seattle to Colorado....and Mercedes engineer team did not anticipate in bad fuel quality in the U.S. Their fuel filter was not big enough to handle contaminated fuel. This should be looked at and remedied quickly before someone got killed on high way.
Before my next trip I am going to put in an Airdog or a FASS fuel filter and pump. I don't know if any of you have ever done such a thing?
I will appreciate someone who is knowledgeable about this to write a quick tip on how to do this.
Many thanks,
-t
For instance, when it snows, my wheel paths have to be cleared, or there is no take-off power. When the rear wheels begin to spin, the engine RPM's drop, and the yellow triangle-shaped RPM light flashes. Using chains is out of the question, because it doesn't have the power necessary to begin moving. The end of the road I live on is slightly steep, and getting up it with snow is a 'no-go'.
Any suggestions?
intercooler on the drivers side. I went to Euro Parts SD and got there repair kit it took
about 30 minutes and after 2 start up & cool downs my check engine light went out
and it ran just like when I first got it from the start up. With the new design it should
not happen again. Just did it 1-30-2010 orderd one for the other side after I drove it
the first time. The drivers side seems to be the one to crack at the hose conection first
but will install the other one this week when I receive the other one.
Thanks.
Ron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImZ6hlsojpE
Thank you
Fred
Fred's Mobile Service
I have driven 35,000 miles since replacing the plastic resonator on my 2005 Sprinter and it has performed flawlessly. I am also getting 24-26 mpg. Every 5 or 6 tanks of diesel I add a bottle of Lucas gas treatment. Seems to really help the mileage and the performance. When the Sprinter is good, it is great. But when it is bad, you want to go shoot it........
thank you