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Mazda Protege Maintenance and Repair



  • alternatoralternator Posts: 629
    Usually a "radiator repair only" shop can fix a problem such as yours for the least cost. You might want to get their estimate.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    That's what it cost to replace the one in my '89 323 with an aftermarket (non-Mazda) radiator. The parts and fluids themselves cost about $130. The remainder was labor. This was about 3-4 years ago.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    You may not need a new radiator. Mine was leaking in the cooling (finned) section, so wasn't easily fixed. If the leak's in an accessible line, you might be able to weld it shut.
  • curt3curt3 Posts: 101
    Go to the radiator speacialists--the dealers tend to go for the eazy fix instead of the practical and money saving way. Good luck.
  • f4jf4j Posts: 7
    Bought a new 2001 es w/moonroof yesterday. (4/27)
    During pre-buy test drive, did not notice excessive wind noise.
    Going home, wind was blowing 20 - 25 mph. When I got to 70 mph and driving into the wind, a loud wind noise like a high note on a flute or blowing across a coke bottle started happening. This was not the normal rush of wind that is present going 70. Did not notice at 60 to 65. Since the wind blows like that half the time here, that's going to be hard to live with.
    Can't really isolate the area. Seems to be the upper windshield. Lesser possiblity to be the moon roof. All the moulding looks intact and the moonroof closes properly.
    It's one of those noises that's real hard to determine the source - kinda like trying locate the source of a cricket by the sound - so it could be coming from anywhere. Passenger in right, front seat couldn't tell where the source was any better than I could.
    Of course I'm going back to the dealer, but would like some ideas before I go.
    Thanks in advance for any advice.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    It hits resonance about 60-65mph in 99-00 models. Seems their redesign moved the point upwards to 70mph.
  • f4jf4j Posts: 7
    You mean to tell me that every Mazda Protege ES Sedan in the world that goes 70 mph airspeed (could be 50 mph on speedometer into a 20 mph wind) is sounding like a coke bottle symphony inside?? It drives me crazy. I would never consider a car that does this. I never saw this probem mentioned in any reviews that I read.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    My 2001 ES doesn't sound like that.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    my 02 ES. I drive 75 every day - no whistle.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    My 2000 ES makes the noise, although not really a coke bottle whistle, more like the sound you get when a window is open. Seems to be coming from the top of the windshield, towards the passenger side.

    Kicks in at about 58 mph (sometimes lower, depending on wind speed), and doesn't seem to go away above that...even at speeds up to 80 mph.

    Again, this is a replacement windshield...not sure how that factors in. Would be interested to hear from other 2000 owners before I pursue it with the dealer.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    It starts around 60mph and disappears around 65mph, depending on the prevalent air speed.

    However, it does not sound like an open window. That kind of noise is either a hole (or gap) or the weatherstripping sticks out more.

    The noise on my '99 emanates somewhere from the top middle of the windshield. It's noticeable, but not loud. I thought Mazda redesigned the weatherstripping to address this. Maybe they just shifted the resonance range.

    There's probably individual variation in the vehicles and owners, as well. Some vehicles will have more or less of this noise, some owners will be more or less likely to notice it. I only notice this noise when I don't have my stereo on and nobody's talking. With the stereo on, I can't hear it.

    Every vehicle (except maybe some of those ultra-slick solar-powered race cars) makes some type of resonance noise at some air speed due to protruberances such as antennas and side mirrors or even where the sheet metal panels meet). It depends on how noticeable it is (roar, whistle etc.) and what sound-proofing steps the mfr has taken (thicker glass, more sound-absorbing materials in the roof and door panels etc.).
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I noticed it in a LX2.0 right around 100mph. I wasn't worried about it at that speed, but at 70 that would piss me off. It was definitely coming from the upper winshield weatherstrip. Have your dealer re-seal the windshield and don't let them give you bull about not being able to duplicate because they cannot safely test it at that speed.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    resonance in weatherstipping????

    Wind whistling cannot be classified as Resonance.

    It is more of like wind blowing past a weatherstip which has some irregularity to it...just like whistling with ur fingers

    I have a 99 ES and wind whistling is not observed till 85mph(max I have gone).
    In fact at 60-65, the wind flow is very clean without even any buffetting, let alone whistling.

    In crosswinds of 20-25mph, I get lot of wind buffetting noise....who doesn't... alongwith car bieng pushed out of line
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Not necessarily in the weatherstripping itself (I'm sure part of it vibrates in time with the air, but the material is a dampener).
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    That's how blowing across the top of a jug makes the sound. Whistles, flutes etc.
  • f4jf4j Posts: 7
    Thanks for all the input.

    I got the car back to the dealer today. After a short wait, a body shop guy met me outside to go for a test drive. I emphasized that the whistle only occurs at 70 mph or above. He had a problem taking it up to 70 because the EPA in it's wisdom forced all of the Houston Metroplex to a 55 mph speed limit. (I live outside the area mandated by the EPA speed limit and can drive 70 at the home area). He said he could lose his job if he got a ticket. We got the service manager. He said he'd drive and we all three went whistling down the highway at 70. (More than half are ignoring the 55 limit, BTW).

    They determined the noise to be a bad windshield seal. The service manager peeled it back and showed me how loose it was. I left it with them and will get it tomorrow with a new seal.

    As I said before the whistle is like blowing across a coke bottle. Just a guess to the pitch but it's close to what I'd call a middle C.

    I'll post the results of the new seal.

    Thanks to all.

  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Well good thing it wasn't an A#, that would mean that the car wasn't worth keeping. A middle C is ok.

  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Thanks for the detailed report of the service visit. That certainly gives me something to think about.

  • f4jf4j Posts: 7
    Picked us the '01 ES this afternoon. As mentioned before, yesterday the service manager thought they'd have to install a new windshield seal. When the contract installer showed up at the dealership, he said all it needed was to be re-glued. He glued it down, and I got up to about 80 mph into a 20 mph wind on the way home and the whistle was gone.

    As a side note, this little episode really made me realize I made the right decision in choosing a Mazda. The loaner car was a Pontiac Sunfire, and (no offense to America or Pontiac fans), but the Sunfire seems to be a really cheap car. Made my trip home seem like I was in a $40,000 car instead of the $13,600 I paid for it new.

    People were great at the dealership. I thought they should have cleaned the windshield for me, though. Of course the glue and tape were cleaned up, but it was covered with dust from being outside.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    cowboy....;) no more whistling....
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    I am back to a small nagging problem that I have "noticed" since the 15,000 miles.
    When driving around town when I come to a stop, the Auto tranny falls into the first gear with a "clunk" that can be felt and heard. It's not decreased or increased since I first heard/felt it.

    Any ideas Matlb?
    my car is a '99 Pro ES with Auto Tranny.
  • number42number42 Posts: 67
    but it does sound unusual. My auto is pretty quiet with its shifting, even when it drops to first.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    how many miles on your car? is it dx,lx,or ES?
    which year?
  • number42number42 Posts: 67
    As I said, it might be a little early to say anything, as its still essentially brand new, but if you really wanna know.

    '02 LX and less than 3k miles.
  • silentguiltsilentguilt Posts: 35
    I have 2 LX autos, and they both hit first with that "clunk" it is irritating and frankly a bit disconcerning.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    when did u start getting those clunks? i "noticed" mine at around 15,000 miles. It might have been earlier, but till 15000 i never did any STOP sign roads....only I-95 to&from work.
  • silentguiltsilentguilt Posts: 35
    With about 10k on the clock. They both have 30k now, I added some lubegaurd red to one, it doesn't get rid of it, but it cut down on the shudder a bit. I have thought about taking it to the dealer but all the dealers around me are [non-permissible content removed]es and will most likely tell me it is fine. Although I like the car, I have been less than impressed with the dealer network and availability of parts.
  • coznefxcoznefx Posts: 35
    I have been posting on the P5 board about my continuing problem with poor fuel economy (around 19-20 mpg). Somebody mentioned that a defective mass air sensor might be the culprit. I had the car in the shop once already, and since they were unable to pull any codes off the ECU they simply shrugged their shoulders. Now, today a new problem: while idling at a light my car shuddered violently and then quickly righted itself without stalling, but a minute later as I shifted into reverse, and before I hit the accelerator, the car died. I immediately restarted and drove the car for another hour without a repeat of the episode.

    So, the question is, does any of this seem consistent with the air sensor, and if not what might I advise my clueless dealer to look for?
  • jkobtyjkobty Posts: 99
    How about checking the ignition coils if it uses a DIS.
    Shudder, shudder, clunk, clunk, whistle, whistle
    zoom, zoom, zoom.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    "So it looks like the remaining Daewoo Motor(not owned by GM) with still over 10 car plants worldwide is still fighting and has not given up."
    by jkobty

    They will give up, lol! ;-)))
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