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2010 Toyota Camry



  • Thanks for the link. The Green Mica looks very nice - almost black.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    With Ford bringing out the Fusion Hybrid in 2010, how will Toyota compete against it? The claims made so far, higher MPG, in the 40's, higher on EV mode, up to 48MPH, and with the fact that the Fusion is showing a better overall quality than Camry, and better overall consumer ratings, what will Toyota do so keep up with the new challenger? I think Ford is quietly taking up some of the hybrid market that Toyota has exclusively held for the past few years.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi there. Possibly you are looking for the Hybrid Vehicles board. This discussion is about the regularly powered new Camry.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    um, this was in the Toyota Camry Hybrid thread. :confuse: ;)

    What is this discussion about? Toyota Camry, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Future Vehicle, Automotive News, Sedan
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Sorry, the categorization was wrong and has been corrected. Thanks for pointing that out! :)
  • Has anyone seen the new spruce mica color in person? How does it look? It's a new color in the Toyota family. I don't think any other Toyota model has it.
  • berriberri Posts: 7,728
    Toyota has brought out green metallics before and they never seem to last. Greens tend to cost you on resale unfortunately.

    I saw the 2010 Camry. It doesn't look all that different to me and while the new I-4 may have a bit more power, the mileage is only 1 mpg better. I'd probably go for the 09 and take the big savings right now.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Power controls for windows / door / mirrors are illuminated? Interior quality is improved? Any improvements in driving dynamics?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...Any improvements in driving dynamics?..."

    No, it remains a patently unsafe FWD vehicle.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,679
    No changes, other than the 2.5 L engine, 6 speed manual/automatic, and different tail lights, slightly different grill, and stability/traction control standard on all models. I have never needed to look down at the power windows or locks to find them. They are at your fingertips, and you can easily feel which button is which. The drivers' power window switch is lighted, just like most Toyotas in the past.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    FWD patently unsafe. :surprise:

    Thats hysterical. :D
  • 1lpn1lpn Posts: 11
    I would like to hear more opinions about this...

    Anybody out there been able to do a good interior comparison of old v. new?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,679
    Very few 2010s have been purchased, so the comparisons are not available yet. Wait a few weeks. Interior is going to be the same, from what I read.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    FWD patently unsafe.

    Thats hysterical.

    Based on what criteria I myself wonder. AFAIC the Camry handles well, I dont have any issues with it and where the "patently unsafe" comment came from is beyond me. The Prius OTOH does have a few flaws that I deamed unsafe, poor traction control that shut down the motor, very bad when trying to accelerate into traffic and there happens to be some gravel or sand on the road, not very happy when that happened. Over 23000 miles in the Camry, and not once do I have a complaint on its handling. It is what it is, a family sedan, if you want a sports car, get a frikin sports car.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Some people need a family sedan for practical reasons, but still want some sporty driving, or dare I say, fun behind the wheel of their car. For them, there are other options (Mazda 6, Accord, Altima). The Camry is a sofa on wheels; relaxed, comfortable, and a great place for a nap. :)
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    OTOH, taking a sofa and putting it through a course can be a heck of a lot more exhilarating than a sports car. Coming from a background driving Crown Vics, the Camry is a fun car to put through its paces. You haven't had a heart pounding experience until you drift a Camry through a open road course. I did it last year up in WI just for fun, I also had the thrill of having the first Hybrid on that track.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I can't imagine the non-defeatable VSC Toyota has would let you have much fun?
  • 1lpn1lpn Posts: 11
    From what I am reading, the backlit trim around the stereo and hvac is gone, the stereo is updated (among other things, with matching optitron look), new window switches, and other unspecified trim changes.

    I hoping that the unspecified changes include an honest center console, not the retarded tray that's there (which is really a step back from gen 5 - I own a 2002 V6 SE), and maybe do away from the cheapo plastic pocket on the back of the front seats, among other things.

    Not much to ask, but you are right, people are biting on the tasty 2009 deals out there, so no reason for many to buy the 2010.

    I, on the other hand, already plotting for deals that will enavitably come around for the 2010 models. I avoided the first 2 years on purpose after my sour experience with the 2002. Solid mechanically (120k on it now), but the hardware/brakes/sunroof problems sucked. Always have to give them 2-3 years to work out the issues, always.

    When my wife was up for a car in 2007, I had no choice but to go for the last year of the previous gen Accord. Being the last year production, it has 20k miles on it and not a single issue. The deal was tasty and I punished Toyota for the experience on the 2002 Camry.

    Before any of you Malibu\Taurus fanboys out there decide to gang-up and comment on what I said or toyota's "slipping quality": Put your money where your mouth is - go and buy yourself a Malibu/Taurus, and when you got 120k miles on it, come back and report, please.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Do many Chevy and Ford owners chime in often, here? It's a dedicated Toyota Camry forum. Just curious; I don't check in here too often (I own an Accord, but am not suffering from "Honda-Vision," as I like to check out what else is out there).
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    I have a few Fords in my garage as well as the Camry. The Crown Vic/Grand Marquis cars are always tough dependable cars with good quality in them, they are just dated. With the exception of the 2007 Town Car, they are all over 120K miles on them and still going strong. The 1995 Grand marquis looks like hell since it has some weather damage to it, but on the coldest days, starts right up, only work put into it was new steering components, they took a beating on the crappy roads around here. My F30 is 10 years old, has 133K on it, no major repairs other than ball joints, and it is a 1 tom Behemoth that takes a beating. None of the Fords we have has had a trip back to the dealer for anything.
  • acco20acco20 Posts: 211
    wwest....I value almost all of your comments, usually backed up by your personal experience, but that statement about front wheel drive is below your usual expert response. Now don't go off quoting some silly results of testing using some dangerous moves performed on some test track by some people trying to prove the danger of front wheel drive. Those findings are about as acurate as the fact "even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then", true,,,,but not real world. JMHO.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,679
    Well, my 2007 I-4 manual has been perfect, except that I had the computer reprogrammed for the occassional hesitation on acceleration. It only took the dealer 25 minutes, and the car has been perfect ever since. Most of the mechanicals on this car are tried and true. The engine is the same as the 2002-2006, and the tranny (5 manual) is also the same. Many other major components are also the same. So I had no reason to fear a first year car, and I do not regret it. With the 2010, it is a new engine, but I still wouldn't have a problem buying one. I have had another first year total redesign Toyota from 2001, and had no problems except for a few rattles that were fixed. Honda, etc. is the same way.

    I have no complaints about the backlit trim - strange they are changing it. I may be buying a 2010 or 2011, so I'm curious.
  • 1lpn1lpn Posts: 11
    The Panther platform is one their better efforts, though, as you said, a bit dated.

    I hope I am not openning this thread for a flame war, I just wanted to pre-empt the Malibu/Taurus/Fusion fanboys boasting about mileage this and feature that when they never owned the thing.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    He's totally serious, believes FWD cars are inherently less safe than RWD cars because of a supposed tendency of the former to be more susceptible to understeer on pavement that's not dry. Silly me, I always thought oversteer was more dangerous for the average driver because it can cause a car to swap ends! The latter was one of Nader's chief criticisms of the original Corvair.

    I know I'd take understeer any day. Front wheels lose traction, the natural tendency is to immediately ease up on the gas. Result: car slows down, weight transfers to the front, and traction (and steering control) regained. With oversteer, you have to be very quick with the steering wheel to keep the rear end from coming around!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..poor traction control that shut down the motor..."

    There is a good, SOLID, foundation for dethrottling the engine of a FWD or F/awd the very instant wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed conditions is detected.

    Many of today's RWD and R/awd vehicles also have TC, Traction Control, but the design parameters often differ in that while the moderate braking of a spinning of slipping wheel will still be virtually INSTANTANEOUS, the engine dethrottling will often be delayed. The dethrottling delay will sometimes be for multiple seconds and in some cases only a few hundred milliseconds.


    With loss of traction, wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed traction conditions on a RWD or R/awd the driver still has the ability to maintain directional control. Not so with FWD or F/awd, therefore the design engineers must do their utmost to prevent an extended period of loss of traction on one of these vehicles.

    So I stand by my statement, while FWD & F/awd vehicles are being made less unsafe via the specific TCS implementation they remain patently UNSAFE. ons.

    Most learned or experienced 4WD and 4X4 drivers are well aware that it is patently UNSAFE to drive, even on a low traction surface, above dead slow with the front drive engaged. Regretably there is no FWD or F/awd with automatic transaxle vehicle wherein the front drive can be disengaged, nor even QUICKLY disengaged(***) when conditions warrant.

    *** Of course you could, as the AAA recommends, quickly shift the transaxle into neutral to alleviate the potential from loss of control due to engine compression braking.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The biggest problem with the Corvair was the potential for a rear axle/wheel to "tuck-under" in a severe stearing maneuver. Otherwise it had the same shortcoming as today's Porsche 911 and original VW beetle, so much rear weight bias that once you let them, CAUSED them, to start coming around, swapping ends, it was/is practically impossible to stop the rotation.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I agree that the rear swing axle causing "tuck-under" and subsequent rollover was the most serious problem with the original Corvair. However the inherent tendency of the car to oversteer was not disclosed to the typical buyer, who was led to believe the car would handle like a typical RWD car of its day -- that is, understeer at the limit.

    I disagree with you though that today's FWD cars are inherently unsafe compared to their RWD peers. If this were even marginally true, where is the evidence -- wouldn't we have seen an increase in deaths/injuries on the roads over the past 30 years when FWD became far more popular among cars?

    But this really isn't the place to be discussing this...supposed to be talking about the 2010 Camry.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..-- wouldn't we have seen..." ??

    No, developments and inventions like airbags, ABS, VSC, F/awd and now especially TCS have helped to keep all that in check.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes precisely..

    Now that you've had your say on this subject in this forum like you have in every forum you participate in ... let it go. We've heard this same rant over and over and over and over and over and ..... in every FWD vehicle that comes along.

    We understand your pov. Not that many agree with it but we understand where you stand.

    Next subject.
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