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Honda Civic Type R
playathug21
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is there EVER gonna be a Civic Type R in the US? if so (ive heard at honda-tech its comin in 2002) what is the price gonna be about? Will it be race modified somewhat like a Integra type R (brakes, suspension, etc.) any answers would be appreciated.
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The new Civic Type-R (hatchback) in Japan has 215hp and I believe it's already out or should be coming out any day. Why don't you buy an '01 Integra Type-R? I think it's going to be a classic because the new RSX with 200hp will not handle nor accelerate as well as the current Type-R. There 's supposed to be a 215-220hp Type-R in '03 for the US but many people like the current looks of the ITR and are buying them now instead of waiting another 2 yrs for the RSX-R.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
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Leo
Thank you for the tipe on Honda's power steering fluid. Did not know that. Just like I didn't know that Toyota has special antifreeze for their radiators. And it does make a difference.
I haven't bought a car for 7 years and propably not for another year, so make that 8 years. So I've been out of the loop researching cars for a looong time. I thought that these new cars are now direct ingnition and have done away with distributor, yes? Has Honda fix the bearing replacement problem or are they still needed? If so at what mileage? Do Honda's still require valve adjustments? If so, how much does that cost? Lastly, would you recommend Hondas? Either Accords or Civics? If so, any particual model of each make?
Thank you for your response.
Leo
Thank you for the tipe on Honda's power steering fluid. Did not know that. Just like I didn't know that Toyota has special antifreeze for their radiators. And it does make a difference.
I haven't bought a car for 7 years and propably not for another year, so make that 8 years. So I've been out of the loop researching cars for a looong time. I thought that these new cars are now direct ingnition and have done away with distributor, yes? Has Honda fix the bearing replacement problem or are they still needed? If so at what mileage? Do Honda's still require valve adjustments? If so, how much does that cost? Lastly, would you recommend Hondas? Either Accords or Civics? If so, any particual model of each make?
Thank you for your response.
Leo
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
As far as whether I would recommend Honda, that is a bit hard for me to answer. My sister currently owns a 2000 Honda Odyssey that has been nothing but trouble. She is trying to claim the lemon law on it and has run into bad customer service on Honda's part. Honda is not a company you want to deal with if you run into problems. Due to her bad experiences, I have been discouraged with Honda's quality. In recent years, there also seems to be more complaints about problems and more recalls as well. I still feel they are reliable cars mechanically, but overall, their quality seems to have dropped. It's either that or other companies have dramatically improved their quality. The other problem I have with Honda is the fact that their cars are so boring and lack personality, but are still ridiculously high-priced. Their looks are bland and they no longer perform at the top of the class. The Civic has fallen way behind the competition with its wimpy 1.7 liter, when everyone else has standard 1.8-2.0 liter engines with more horsepower and torque. Example: For 15K, the Civic LX will get you 115 hp. The same price will buy you 125 hp in the Corolla, 130 hp in the Protege and Focus, 140 hp in the Elantra, and 145 hp in the Sentra. Even if you ante up the 17K for the Civic EX, the power is still only 127 hp. That # is deceiving though, as it doesn't show how lacking it is in torque. 114 pound feet of torque just can't compete with 133 in the Elantra, 135 in the Focus, and 136 in the Sentra. The Accord doesn't have the same power deficit problems, but it does lack personality. Neither car is something that would stand out in the crowd. It's kind of like driving your reliable refrigerator around. Now these are just my subjective opinions. You may not care too much about power or style. At any rate, I'm a bit more reserved about recommending Honda than I used to be. Sorry for long post. Hope my insight helps you in your search. Would be happy to try to answer any questions about other cars as well, as I'm very knowledgeable in this area.
It's the power to weight ratio that counts, gearing and other things. My car weighs 2258lbs, his probably 2600-2700lbs. Anyway, Toyota & Mazda are good alternates to a Civic and should be fairly reliable too (Toyota more than Protege).
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
I heard Toyota is revamping their Corolla to improve hp/torque as well as interior room. My one complaint with the Corolla has been rear legroom when compared to Protege, Civic and Hundai. Yes, the Corolla can get expensive. But if Toyota improves the Corolla than it may merit consideration.
I am also considering the Protege and Elantra. Appreciate any advise you can give on any of these cars.
Leo
Leo
Anyway, Autoweek and Automobile both tested the '97 Civic DX HB in 8.7s and 9.0 respectively in 0-60. They said that it was almost as fast as the EX. Yes, the LX has always been 9.3-9.5 but there is almost a 200lb difference between the two, "minus" powersteering in mine which adds power.. A couple of hundred pounds seriously hurts acceleration in these light cars that have low torque. When my 200lb brother is in my car, I can feel right away my car is slower.
And what's a Prizm have to do with a Corolla? The new Prizms have Chevy engines, not like the old ones that had Toyota ones. I 'm not sure what the 0-60 times are on the new Corolla (125hp) but I don't think they 're below 9.0 sec.
I also didn't say the Corolla was slow. I think it faired very well. I only raced him because he had a big mouth and was saying how fast his car was. Let's face it, whether you own a Corolla, Civic, or Protege, you shouldn't go around telling people you have a fast car. This guy wanted to race me when I took my GSR to work a few months ago. I laughed, then I let him pass me on the highway on the way home, it wasn't worth my time. A few weeks later when I drove the Civic in and ran into him I told him this 'd be a better match for his "fast" Corolla. My $12.5K car (new in '97) didn't disappoint me and dusted his $15.8K (this is what he paid, I don't know what sticker is, but my sticker was a little higher as well) Corolla, not by a lot but nevertheless. I honestly thought in the beginning that he 'd beat me and was worried about keeping up. Of course having better tires than him also helped me where he probably didn't have the confidence on the high speeds nor the agility that my car has with wider tires (195-60 HR tires vs. 185-65SR factory ones), switching lanes fast, etc.
Ingtone18: are you 18yrs old? You have a lot to learn..
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Leo
Leo
Like I said, you got a lot to learn.
PS. No he didn't have the AC on, it was 50deg. out.. Where did you see the Corolla 0-60 in 8.3s?
I just saw an Autoweek article while I was getting an oil change, and they had they tested the Civic EX coupe 5-sp. in 8.3s 0-60! That's a big difference from C&D's 9s.. just goes to show you how much they can vary plus there are factors like altitude, temp and barometric pressure..
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
'whp' is the horsepower at the wheel, that is, the horsepower which is actually moving your car (actually, torque is what is actually accelerating your car; in fact, torque is what is actually measured when people place their car on what is called a chassis dynometer. The horsepower is calculated based on the measured torque and the rpm it occurs at. But that's a whole 'nother discussion).
'bhp' stands for brake horsepower. No, it is not the horsepower measured at the brake. Maybe one of our resident mathematicians can tell you why it is called 'brake' horsepower. Anyway, it is the amount of power the engine is making as measured at the crankshaft. This is the rating you will typically see from the manufacturer. Like in the examples above, when somebody says the ITR has 195 hp, that is the horsepower the factory rates the car at and is measured at the crank.
'whp' will ALWAYS be less than 'bhp', usually by around 15-20%. This is because when the power is measured at the crankshaft, the frictional losses in the drivetrain (transmission, driveshaft, differential) are not taken into account. Also, such accesories as the power steering pump are not attached, which further reduce the 'bhp'. Now, why don't the manufacturers rate their car by the 'whp' rather than the 'bhp'? Well, to use the ITR example above, not all ITR's will have the same frictional losses in the drivetrain. Some ITR's may measure 160hp at the wheels, some may measure 170. Rating the cars by what the motor makes at the crank is probably more consistent.
I hope this helps.
anyone know if the Civic Type R will actually make it's way to the U.S.??
The reason is simple: it will steal sales from the upcoming Acura RS (the Integra replacement) due any day now. Very likely, the i-VTEC engine that is found on the Civic Type R hatchback will be one of the engine choices for the RS. We're talking a car approaching 150 mph top speed.
I do know that Honda is supposed to ship for the 2002 model the Civic Si coupe based on the current model that will have a 1.7 liter L-4 i-VTEC engine rated at around 170-175 bhp, though. (I believe the 1.7 liter i-VTEC engine may be unique to the US market.) This will be the replacement for the last-generation Civic Si coupe with its 1.6 liter L-4 VTEC motor rated at 160 bhp. The new Civic Si coupe will likely have a top speed around 138 mph.
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'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Like I said earlier, the thought of cannibalizing Civic Si coupe sales is the reason why we'll never see the Civic Type R hatchback in the USA. That's why the 2002 Civic Si coupe--with a good number of other performance parts pinched from the Civic Type R hatchback--will arrive with the 1.7-liter i-VTEC motor rated at 170 bhp.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
In any case, the RSX Type-R is the car to look out for in '03. It's supposed to have 200-225hp and all the 'R' trimmings such as huge brakes and phenomenal handling.
At $24.4K the WRX will sell very well. If Honda can't give us comparable cars for the same or less, then I may have to buy a non-Honda for the 1st time in a while.
The new '02 Si might the replacement for my daily commuter '97 HB though..
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'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
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