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Don't try this at home boys & girls..
I 've hit 140-141mph on 287 (w/speedometer error probably 135-6) and the tach was still around 7100rpm, another 1,000 to go! But I can never hit redline in 5th unless I had an S/C or turbo.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
I have yet got a speeding ticket with my lude, so I am not sure, anyone?
Good thing I've moved to MA now! :-)
shmang:
If you have a G5, it's probably not that old to have such problems. Those speed monitors are not that accurate and it usually takes them a while to calculate speed. I'm guessing you were speeding, cause those monitors are usually at 20-30 miles speed zones. If that's the case then it probably didn't get enough time to calculate your speed.
Looks like everybody here is speeding ;-) Take it easy guys, don't speed on city roads, what are the ramps for. ;-)
What color is your Lude, is it the silver? Please don't tell me it is blue.... Just kidding!
Most of the time I get pulled over (don't have a laser detector yet, my radar is useless in NY but works wonders in NJ). The cops always clock me at 2 to 3mph less than what my speedometer shows, the same with my '97 Civic. I 'm usually going 80 and cops pull me over for doing 77 or 78. It's always these 2 numbers. Luckily I get out of most of these..
Now I guess that at 140mph the speedometer error is a little greater than at 80mph...??
Ok, speedo: When I had my car dynoed earlier this year, you can watch the tach and the RPMs on the computer monitor and of course you get the printouts at the end (I got the actual files of my dyno as well). Everytime the REV limiter kicked in the PC application/monitor showed that my engine speed was just about 8100rpm. The tach inside the car always showed between 8300-8400. So yes, the tach is off as well. In case of the GSR and all GSRs for that fact, the difference is always at least 250 RPM!
Prelude should be the same because my friend's REV limiter in his SH always kicks in just shy of 8K RPM instead of 7600-7000. I think they design them this way so we shift when the tach needle reaches redline, when in fact we can shift another 300rpm later or when rev. limiter engages. Maybe they figure this might prolong engine life? don't know, your guess is as good as mine, but I guarantee you these small innacuracies in RPM & Speed are intentional.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
I would wonder what else those dealers do not now about the car???
I'm pretty sure (110%) that 2001 SH EXISTS! I'd suggest you try other dealerships in your area. Internet would also be a good option - at least you'll find out if the car is available anywhere else or not? The dealers would of course lie to you if they have a base prelude sitting in their lot (or a buddy dealer's lot) that they want to sell before the year is over. Go Internet!
I currently drive a 95 Integra RS (base) and it has given me 100,000 trouble free miles. However, I would like to move up to something with a little more refinement and torque - specifically, I dislike all of the engine, wind and road noise that comes with the ride of the Integra.
Can anyone give me an idea if the prelude would be a good choice to address my tastes? I am hoping that I could get a good deal on a new one after the new Integra hits the Acura showrooms.
Thanks!
Ed.
I'd second asethi's suggestion to take a test drive to see if the Prelude is what you're looking for, as well as his recommendation that you do it soon. I bought my 2001 Prelude in October, and dealers were already making good deals, because the model is a slow seller. But because it's a slow seller, the total number manufactured is small, and they're likely to sell out by the end of the model year.
I own the Prelude 2001 and love it's excellent handling (doesn't mean comfort), high rev and sporty look and feel. High rev means noise, but that's the way it should be :I).
sidman
Unfortunately it seems that Honda/Acura isn't all that interested in manual transmission dinosaurs like me... only their 4 cyl cars have that option.
I figured that a Prelude was the closest thing to a manual V6 sports coupe in the lineup of all Toyota and Honda/Acura cars at the $20,000 range (except the Solara, which I don't like the looks of). Since Toyota/Honda are the only two manufacturers I will consider, I am sure am disappointed with the slim pickings out there. An IS300 would be wonderful, but too expensive. A manual V6 Accord coupe would be perfect. Oh well...
Actually, you know what is sad? A friend of mine has a 5spd 96 Ford Probe GT. The ride is refined and quiet, the engine and transmission is decent (Mazda), and it looks pretty good too. Its too bad Honda doesn't make anything comparable.
My tentative plan was to look into the Prelude once the new Integra was released, so I could maybe leverage a better deal.
Rebuttal?
Personally, I decided that I prefered the Prelude's razor-sharp handling and VTEC rush, but you might find the Eclipse more to your taste. That is, if you're willing to consider Mitsubishi.
1- Next gen Integra
2- Prelude
3- Celica - if you don't mind its looks.
One more thing is that I don't believe you'd get a better deal on the prelude just because there's a fresh integra in the market. Yes, Honda doesn't sell that many preludes, but they don't make that many as well. The last couple years have seen fresh coupes like cougar, celica, eclipse, (mustang?),... but this has not brought down the price of a prelude. Good luck with your decision.
So rev it up - that's why you have a 7500 rpm redline. :-)
>2. Tires not "grippy"(stock Bridgestone RE-92);
True. The car is much more capable of with better tires.
>3. Semi-auto is slow;(Actually I enjoy the full-auto more)
This is true for any car in this class/price range.
>4. Body hardness;(although I know the Prelude's body is a lot stiffer than Civic and Integra)
I heard and read that S2000's body is really hard and strong, is tht true???
Do you mean the suspension or the construction? Of couse S2K has a better suspension - it should, it's a different class of car.
As far as body regidity, my friend says my GSR feels a light tighter and rigit than his '98 SH.
Anyway, our friend is looking for more torque with a more cushy and less noisy ride WITH a 5-sp. no less! I think his choices are almost next to none in the low $20K range. The Eclipse GT would probably be the best choice but they go for around $24-25K, like a fully loaded SH.
Another thing to consider is the very strong rumors that once the new Integra is out, there won't be any more Preludes, but just a high output Civic, like an Si/Si-R taking the Prelude's place. We 'll see..
I was in Europe this past summer and only saw 1 Prelude. My cousins told me that they 're very expensive over there and that there are many other good choices for less money. The said a Prelude over there is almost the same price as a BMW 323 (or a 320 with a 2.0L, they got different models there with smaller engines).
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
If you can import any car to the US, what will you bring to "compete with" the Prelude?
1) It seems that most here believe that the Prelude is not much more refined than the Integra... but I was looking at the vehicle weights between the two.. the Prelude weighs about 400 lbs more! I know that the slightly larger engine would be part of that, but I was under the assumption that some of the difference was due to better insulation and sound deadening material... am I wrong? The sizes of the cars are not much different...
2) I also realized (I think) that the Prelude will ONLY run on the high octane stuff.. that it is required, not just recommended.. is that so??
3) I might consider a Mitsubishi Eclipse, but I am Canadian, and Mitsu isn't in our marketplace. But to be honest, it would be doubtful that I would stray from Honda/Toyota. As an aside, take a look at the long term review section in Edmunds, and read the review on the Mazda Tribute/Ford Escape. Then scan down to the recall section... positively frightening!! This is precisely the reason that I am sold on Honda/Toyota quality.
4) Don't get me wrong, I love to rev the engine, and would have nooo problem with the VTEC engine. But I just want to make sure that the noise isn't overly excessive, especially at non-Vtec rpms at highways speeds, like my Integra is.
4) The reason that I haven't simply gone down to the corner Honda dealer and test driven a Prelude is because the closest dealer to me is about 300 miles away. I would rather learn all I can before I make the commitment... hence all the questions (thanks again for tolerating me!!)
Ed.
Or the BMW coupe.
edblakeley, have you considered the Maxima? You can probably find a Maxima SE for 24 grand. Not to mention it is comfortable, quick, low noise level and available in stick.
I have owned a '98 Prelude for 30 months. I add regular octane gasoline half the time and the premium fuel the other half. It does not seem to impair performance and my engine remains quiet and smooth. In addition, the owner's manual indicates that regular octane fuel can be used; the engine will retard timing to accomodate this, although performance could be impaired. I find the Prelude surprisingly quiet for highway cruising. With regards to refinement, opinions vary, but in a comparison test of several sport coupes about 1 year ago, Car and Driver indicated that the Prelude was more refined than the Integra (the Prelude also was first in that test overall). Good luck with your decision.
Ken
I think the only car I would trade the Prelude for is an NSX. Not to say that there aren't other good cars out there, but none that I prefer over the Prelude. I wouldn't mind owning a Celica for a little while, since I'm somewhat of a loyal Celica owner, but in the end, I'd want my Prelude back.
Being a GSR owner the Prelude is not much of an upgrade for me and nor do I have $$35-45K to spend on Bimmers or S2000. My next car would be in the mid to high 20's and hopefully the next gen. Type-R won't disappoint.
I 'm very spoiled since I 've upgraded the suspension and my GSR handles the same as my brother's '98 Type-R, I can't see myself driving 4-dr sedans even if they call them sports sedans. It's very hard for a sedan to match a light coupe's handling.
If the next Integra is faster than today's ITR and handles better, it will most likely be my choice, especially since I race a lot (on the track).
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
I really don't like the look of the RSX... it looks basically like a gussied up civic... and I understand that there is no double wishbone suspension anymore!!! Inconceivable!!
The interior looks neat, but the shape, expecially from the rear, looks absolutely terrible in my eyes. To each his own I suppose, but it sure has made the decision easier, and I won't have to wait for anything now.
Boy, I wish that Nissan Z car was available sooner.... oh well, probably out of my price range anyway.
Ed.
Also, anyone ever tried pulling a 750 pound trailer with a 5th generation Prelude?
Thanks,
In terms of body roll, etc. only1harry, with all due respect, you can't compare a car with modded suspension to one with stock suspension. I'm pretty sure that stock for stock, the Prelude has a more rigid chassis than the Integra, as well as less body roll when cornering. The Prelude is so fat and wide, it's kind of unfair to compare the two
I do like the GSR a lot, though, so i'm just pointing these things out for the benefit of the guy who's asking the questions.
Prelude is a little more refined than the teg, but the teg is also 7-8 years old. The next gen of integra should be a lot more refined. I really want to see what the next gen of teg is like. Currently I am looking at Celica GT-S, but I am leaning towards the next gen of integra if it offers the same of better performance ..
Anyway, I've been laughed out of 2 dealerships on both accounts (1) the price I want for my car (one will generously give me 11,400, the other wouldn't give me a price when I told him the laughable Edmunds TMV) and (2) the price they want to sell me the Accord for (well over 1000 off of Edmunds TMV). What is the deal? Has anyone had any recent experience with either of these issues?
Thanks,
Gary
Thanks,
Gary
Edmunds says my Prelude is worth about $15k trade-in and I was offered (after haggling) $14.6k. Not bad.
And I can get the 2001 Accord V6 for almost invoice. Of course, I go Griffin Honda outside Atlanta, instead of the dealers in the city. Better prices in the country. And more competition, perhaps, than New Mexico.
Don't let those $#!@ dealers take you over a barrel!
Good luck,
Bill
My car just turn 30K and I am wondering if I need to change it or not. If yes, can someone give me some advise on how to drain it? (I kind of know how to fill/add fluid but have no idea on how to drain it.)
Thanks in advance.