Vancouver canada. my wife were at a red light when we noticed a chervon sign going from 83.9 per liter to 75-71\-66 Got my interest and started to line up the car when cars came out of nowhere in seconds. 64-54-49-We thought that maybe the war was called off! Then It went up,up up and down down. Finally they settled on 86.9 Canadian per liter. I cursed under my breath and swung the Audi back in line . People were yelling and screaming at each other for a spot in the station untill they realized the price went up. Got into their SUV's and sheepishly drove off
I have noticed that my local Mowhawk dealer usually has the best prices in Vancouver!I scanned some Canadian comments so to the chap in newfoundland I say .SURPRISE! Did you actually think for a second you were going to get a fair price? Believe me every government level and the oil thieves could care less about you or me. They look at gas the same way the look at smokes. Its bad for you but we make a pile of money. The same goes with booze. Alberta has cheaper booze but their gas prices are high
This week, Northwest Suburban Chicago prices have been hovering around $1.77/gal. for regular unleaded, $1.87 for mid-grade unleaded, and $1.92 for premium, although if you shop aggressively and leave Schaumburg and Hoffman Estates and head west to Elgin, the prices on 2/20 were pretty decent. Citgo and Marathon had the following: $1.59--Regular Unleaded $1.69--Mid-Grade Unleaded $1.79--Premium Unleaded. Maybe a slight gas war going on there. I'm hoping they will sit at that price tomorrow when I fill up, but these days, who knows. The gouge goes on.
was $1.61 a gallon/reg.unleaded. I had to do a double-take because I've been paying $1.71-$1.77 a gallon regular unleaded in this Puget Sound town I work in. In the town I live in I've been forking over around $1.61-$1.67 a gallon but I live in a small town about 65 miles north of Seattle and about 35 miles north of Everett, WA. Why I'm paying a dime a gallon less in a town further away from Seattle than Everett I don't know but I'll take it. I would think the bigger city dealers would be able to buy for less. There's an oil refinery 20 miles west in Anacortes, WA from where I live for what it's worth. (!!) =:)
I'm sorely dissappointed in the average American's attitude concerning gasoline prices. The cost of gasoline today is way way way less than it was 20 years ago when adjusted for inflation. I vividly recall paying $1.32 per gallon in 1980.
Now today it is ONLY $1.60-2.00. It amazes that people [non-permissible content removed] anytime gas goes up one freekin' cent. But the cost of everything (you're paying $5 per gallon for bottled water) has tripled and quadrupled in the past 20 years.
My father bought a brand spankin' new 4x4 Chevy Suburban in 1980, loaded to the nines. He paid less than $12,000 for it. A similarly equipped Suburban today cost in excess of $45,000. That's a 400% increase people. And yet you don't [non-permissible content removed] about that.
Please don't tell me how much better the new Suburbans are. Dad's old 80' is still running strong with 310,000 miles and has had nothing major done to it. It also get's 16-18 mpg. I know the new ones are more advanced....but 400 percent!
If gasoline had increased like everything else in the past 20 years (cars, clothing, houses, milk) you'd be paying at least $3.00 per gallon. But instead I filled up today with 87 for $1.61. A mere 21% increase from 20 years ago. What a bargain. Too bad I can't buy a new 4x4 Suburban for $14,500.
PS: For all you idiots that think you're being gouged by oil theives that have total control over the market. If this is true then what keeps them from jacking the price to $5, $6, $20 per gallon or even higher? Use your head for something other than a hat rack.
Now today it is ONLY $1.60-2.00. It amazes that people [non-permissible content removed] anytime gas goes up one freekin' cent. But the cost of everything (you're paying $5 per gallon for bottled water) has tripled and quadrupled in the past 20 years.
I agree. Gas is still really cheap here, especially when you consider what people in other parts of the world pay for it. When it gets to about $5 per gallon is when my driving habits will start to change. Otherwise it's just business as usual. BTW my last fill-up in the Dallas, TX area was $1.59/gallon for 87 octane.
This is up roughly $.30/gal since last fall. If the gulf war goes badly, and the Venezuala situation gets worse, oil could hit $50/barrel...some anaylists even say more. Look for a spike in oil nearing $40/barrel as the Iraq war starts..moving substantially up/down from there depending upon the wars progress. Sure wish I had a crystal ball...fortunes will be made and lost on the futures market in the next few weeks.
The main thing that irritates me about the gas prices going up is that if you compare the price of a barrel of crude oil to the price of a gallon of gas you will notice 1) the price of a barrel of crude oil is the same now as it was 15 years ago, and 2) when the price of crude oil jumps $2.00 a barrel gas prices rise, then when the crude oil prices come back down the gas prices do not come back down to the same price as before. 2 years ago the oil companies raised prices due to several reason (supposed oil shortage, refinery fires etc) and they said they had no choice but to raise prices, then at the end of the year they post the largest profit EVER for an american based company.
True, Lariat1...The price goes up quickly, and inches down slowly. It would be good if the price of gas was closely tied to the price of crude, but thats not the way it works. Just as the price of a loaf of bread is not tied to the price a farmer gets for his wheat, gas prices do not really follow the price of crude. The price of nearly all of our commodities is set by the marketplace..futures trading, etc. Its called capitalism, or "whatever the market will bear". The rule is...when people want your product, you can sell it for the highest price they are willing to pay. The only way to bring down gasoline prices is for supply to substantially exceed demand. When the storage tanks start to fill up, the price will come down. So long as there is a shortage in the supply chain, and people are buying all the gas the refiners can produce, prices will stay up, and continue to rise. If people would start a real conservation effort...curb needless driving, car-pool, use mass transit more, AND abandon the desire to drive the biggest SUV they can get their hands on, you would see the price come down quickly.
...the price of crude. Events like refinery fires and pipeline problems bring chaos to a regions gasoline prices.
Add in the facts that the EPA has so many different formulations of fuel and we've not built a new refinery in three decades and you have a volitile market.
If your local refinery has a problem with production, it may be a while before a distant refinery can rework their process to produce your fuel.
There are a number of events that conspire against lower fuel prices. I'd say at least half of the blame has to placed on the consumer/public who has said the following two things loud and clear:
1. I want to drive a bigger vehicle more miles than my parents did.
2. I don't want you to build a new refinery in my back yard.
Up here in Alaska thing are a little different. We have more oil than we know what to do with, 3 miles from my house is a refinery and it taps directly off the pipeline, the refineries in Alaska can produce more oil products than the state can possibly ever use. Yet when there is a crisis overseas our gas prices go up just like everyone elses. Up here the price of a barrel of oil has been the same, the price for a KW of electricity has been unchanged for 20 years but the gas prices rise anyway. One of the funniest things I heard BP (they own the refinery) say was when they had to start making oxygenated fuel. To add it they charged an extra 5 cents per gallon, well it turns out that at -40f the methenol will not burn and a lot of people got sick, as a result the use of oxygenated fuel up here has stopped, then BP comes out and tells us we have to pay an additional 10 cents a gallon to remove the methenanol. So after 4 years we end up paying an additional 15 cents a gallon for the same gas we started with. If the oil companies would just say that they are going to up the prices because they can I would except that, but this BS of excuses just pisses me off.
Paid $2.17 gal premium yesterday. Last 4 fill-ups were $2.05, 2.11,2.13 now 2.17. I usually pick up a 6-pack of Sierra Nevada when I fill-up. Am waiting for the price per gal to exceed the $6.99 for the beer :~(
Does your local refinery only make fuel for Alaska, or do they do various production runs and make fuels for other regions as well?
If so, this could account for some of the difference in price.
I read in the St. Louis Post Dispatch that inflation adjusted fuel today is cheaper than fuel was in 1962, yes 1962. Of course, this is on average, your market may vary.
Hillsville, VA 24343 Reg: 1.559 Mid: 1.659 High:1.759
Of course, that depends on where you get it in the town. There is one Citgo that has Reg at 1.549, but the stations closest to interstate 77 are really "gouging" people, with regular at 1.659.
I filled up last night in Wytheville, VA, and it was 1.449 for regular. It's basically 10 cents a gallon higher for each level of octane.
But the Euro blurs all the picture, and people either do not notice or just aren't getting used to the Euro... For a recall, 1 euro roughly equals $1, and 1 Euro == 6.55957 French francs. Well, here's my little story anyway :
* I used to fill at a station from the petrol company Total (which is now Total-Fina-Elf) facing some competition from a supermarket, and therefore it had to lower price at a reasonable level given its "premium" tag... For the time I got there, I saw the Diesel fuel price rise from 0.81 to 0.85 per litre, on a 4 months period ; * then my eye caught an Elf station in town, and I recalled that Total wanted to make Elf stations low price ones. Indeed: when I discovered it at the beginning of this month, Diesel fuel was at 0.78 instead of 0.85. * I immediately switched habits, of course, but immediately after that prices started to skyrocket... The bargain 0.78 became a not so attractive 0.83... But when I passed by the station I used to fill at before, the panel showed 0.95!
My friends in Italy say that unenthical business people used the Euro conversion as an excuse to sneak in price increases.
The Italians tend to think they are forced to live with this sort of thing as the Italian government allows it. Appears some of the same may have happened in France.
It's especially crying with food prices. A study demonstrated that they had increased a good 10% from Dec 2001 to Dec 2002. I've witnessed it personally, and know for certain that pretty much everybody did. Nothing has escaped to inflation. I could site tens of things which I remembered were less expensive "prior to". Paradoxically, it has helped me being more conscious about my expenses...
But the recent boom in gas prices has little to do with it all. The tax on petrol products (TIPP, "Taxe Intérieure sur les Produits Pétroliers") represents 80% of the price you pay at the pump. Back in 1995 the former government made it "floating" as to keep the prices at a reasonable level. It would decrease when the Brent went up and vice versa. But the new government has suppressed the "floating" part of the equation... The rising price of the Brent did the rest. Good news, the constitutional counsil (some kind of government wathcdog) ruled this unconstitutional, but the government, of course, brakes from its four wheels to get the floating part back. Same old story...
I took my '99 Kia Sephia in for a fuel injection clean. Whether it improved gas mileage or not is another question. The Sephia was getting about 30-32 mpg for me pretty consistently, though, so I didn't need it to improve gas mileage but I'm just curious if anybody feels that a fuel injection clean every 50,000 miles or so is beneficial in the long run. BTW-I'm paying around $1.77/gallon for regular unleaded here in Mt.Vernon-Burlington, WA.
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I cursed under my breath and swung the Audi back in line . People were yelling and screaming at each other for a spot in the station untill they realized the price went up. Got into their SUV's and sheepishly drove off
$1.59--Regular Unleaded
$1.69--Mid-Grade Unleaded
$1.79--Premium Unleaded.
Maybe a slight gas war going on there.
I'm hoping they will sit at that price tomorrow when I fill up, but these days, who knows. The gouge goes on.
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Reg: 1.659
Mid: 1.759
Prem:1.859
About the norm here now
My dad's from there.. went to Mohanasen, grew up on Barber Drive.
Now today it is ONLY $1.60-2.00. It amazes that people [non-permissible content removed] anytime gas goes up one freekin' cent. But the cost of everything (you're paying $5 per gallon for bottled water) has tripled and quadrupled in the past 20 years.
My father bought a brand spankin' new 4x4 Chevy Suburban in 1980, loaded to the nines. He paid less than $12,000 for it. A similarly equipped Suburban today cost in excess of $45,000. That's a 400% increase people. And yet you don't [non-permissible content removed] about that.
Please don't tell me how much better the new Suburbans are. Dad's old 80' is still running strong with 310,000 miles and has had nothing major done to it. It also get's 16-18 mpg. I know the new ones are more advanced....but 400 percent!
If gasoline had increased like everything else in the past 20 years (cars, clothing, houses, milk) you'd be paying at least $3.00 per gallon. But instead I filled up today with 87 for $1.61. A mere 21% increase from 20 years ago. What a bargain. Too bad I can't buy a new 4x4 Suburban for $14,500.
PS: For all you idiots that think you're being gouged by oil theives that have total control over the market. If this is true then what keeps them from jacking the price to $5, $6, $20 per gallon or even higher? Use your head for something other than a hat rack.
The lowest price nationwide was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where a gallon of self-serve regular cost $1.49."
Sorry CNN, yesterday I paid $ 1.40 per gallon at Chapel Hill Road and Interstate 20. $1.49 is high around here.
Personally I wouldn't mind if the tax drove the price up to $3.00 per gallon.
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I agree. Gas is still really cheap here, especially when you consider what people in other parts of the world pay for it. When it gets to about $5 per gallon is when my driving habits will start to change. Otherwise it's just business as usual. BTW my last fill-up in the Dallas, TX area was $1.59/gallon for 87 octane.
91 octane = $1.67
Diesel = $1.64
This is up roughly $.30/gal since last fall. If the gulf war goes badly, and the Venezuala situation gets worse, oil could hit $50/barrel...some anaylists even say more. Look for a spike in oil nearing $40/barrel as the Iraq war starts..moving substantially up/down from there depending upon the wars progress. Sure wish I had a crystal ball...fortunes will be made and lost on the futures market in the next few weeks.
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2 years ago the oil companies raised prices due to several reason (supposed oil shortage, refinery fires etc) and they said they had no choice but to raise prices, then at the end of the year they post the largest profit EVER for an american based company.
The rule is...when people want your product, you can sell it for the highest price they are willing to pay. The only way to bring down gasoline prices is for supply to substantially exceed demand. When the storage tanks start to fill up, the price will come down. So long as there is a shortage in the supply chain, and people are buying all the gas the refiners can produce, prices will stay up, and continue to rise. If people would start a real conservation effort...curb needless driving, car-pool, use mass transit more, AND abandon the desire to drive the biggest SUV they can get their hands on, you would see the price come down quickly.
Add in the facts that the EPA has so many different formulations of fuel and we've not built a new refinery in three decades and you have a volitile market.
If your local refinery has a problem with production, it may be a while before a distant refinery can rework their process to produce your fuel.
There are a number of events that conspire against lower fuel prices. I'd say at least half of the blame has to placed on the consumer/public who has said the following two things loud and clear:
1. I want to drive a bigger vehicle more miles than my parents did.
2. I don't want you to build a new refinery in my back yard.
TB
Up here the price of a barrel of oil has been the same, the price for a KW of electricity has been unchanged for 20 years but the gas prices rise anyway. One of the funniest things I heard BP (they own the refinery) say was when they had to start making oxygenated fuel. To add it they charged an extra 5 cents per gallon, well it turns out that at -40f the methenol will not burn and a lot of people got sick, as a result the use of oxygenated fuel up here has stopped, then BP comes out and tells us we have to pay an additional 10 cents a gallon to remove the methenanol. So after 4 years we end up paying an additional 15 cents a gallon for the same gas we started with.
If the oil companies would just say that they are going to up the prices because they can I would except that, but this BS of excuses just pisses me off.
I usually pick up a 6-pack of Sierra Nevada when I fill-up. Am waiting for the price per gal to exceed the $6.99 for the beer :~(
If so, this could account for some of the difference in price.
I read in the St. Louis Post Dispatch that inflation adjusted fuel today is cheaper than fuel was in 1962, yes 1962. Of course, this is on average, your market may vary.
FWIW,
TB
Reg: 1.559
Mid: 1.659
High:1.759
Of course, that depends on where you get it in the town. There is one Citgo that has Reg at 1.549, but the stations closest to interstate 77 are really "gouging" people, with regular at 1.659.
I filled up last night in Wytheville, VA, and it was 1.449 for regular. It's basically 10 cents a gallon higher for each level of octane.
http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1170
Too much logic and not enough sensationalism.
TB
Likes the soundbites of SUV drivers complaining about the cost of fuel as they fill up, LOL
* I used to fill at a station from the petrol company Total (which is now Total-Fina-Elf) facing some competition from a supermarket, and therefore it had to lower price at a reasonable level given its "premium" tag... For the time I got there, I saw the Diesel fuel price rise from 0.81 to 0.85 per litre, on a 4 months period ;
* then my eye caught an Elf station in town, and I recalled that Total wanted to make Elf stations low price ones. Indeed: when I discovered it at the beginning of this month, Diesel fuel was at 0.78 instead of 0.85.
* I immediately switched habits, of course, but immediately after that prices started to skyrocket... The bargain 0.78 became a not so attractive 0.83... But when I passed by the station I used to fill at before, the panel showed 0.95!
Regular: $1.89/gal
Unleaded: $2.05/gal
Super unleaded $2.20/gal
Full service Super unleaded is $2.99/gal
The Italians tend to think they are forced to live with this sort of thing as the Italian government allows it. Appears some of the same may have happened in France.
But the recent boom in gas prices has little to do with it all. The tax on petrol products (TIPP, "Taxe Intérieure sur les Produits Pétroliers") represents 80% of the price you pay at the pump. Back in 1995 the former government made it "floating" as to keep the prices at a reasonable level. It would decrease when the Brent went up and vice versa. But the new government has suppressed the "floating" part of the equation... The rising price of the Brent did the rest. Good news, the constitutional counsil (some kind of government wathcdog) ruled this unconstitutional, but the government, of course, brakes from its four wheels to get the floating part back. Same old story...
Premium $1.57
Super $1.67
When will the insanity end!!??
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