"No way to turn off the "key in ignition when door open" beeper."
This works wth the CR-V and many other cars, but I've never seen it done with the Element. It's one of those "nuisance solutions". Stupid, annoying, and clumsy, but it's cheap and it works.
Step 1: Open the door and find the "trigger" on the sill.
Step 2: Stick a pen or pencil into the door jamb, so it holds the trigger closed.
For the exposed radiator, you can try using gutter guards. There are several brands available at home goods stores. They're essentially wire screens that hold their shape after being bent into the correct form. I know of at least one owner who installed them behind the grill on a CR-V simply as a styling upgrade. They won't work like a skid plate, but they'll keep loose debris from being a problem.
I've had my Element EX 4wd since January, but have yet to take it anywhere tougher than your average country dirt road...Anyone put one through the paces in deep sand? It would be good to know before I try to tackle the outer banks in July...
Thanks varmit for the "key in ignition when door open beeper" solution. Works just great and I'll check home depot for the gutter guards. I didn't even think of looking there.
If anyone has installed the factory trailer wiring kit, I would love some feedback. I looked at an aftermarket "custom wiring kit for Honda Element" by one of the big hitch companies and installation looked like a major project involving disassembling about half of the interior in the rear to get at the Honda connector. Apparently the Honda connector is by the rear power outlet with no way to get to it other than disassembling the plastic tailgate slider cover,part of the floor and removing the passenger rear side wall. Even after all that you had to drill a hole to run the wiring outside. No fun at all.
I am hoping that the factory kit is easier to install, perhaps with a custom connector that eliminates the drilling.
If anyone has experience, I sure would appreciate it.
Thanks for responses to my questions. I haven't driven one yet, I just stopped by the dealer on my way past out of curiousity. It sounds like it has lots of features that fit right in with what I like to do. I too am middle aged, are we messing with Honda's marketing scheme?
I drive a '91 Jeep Wrangler so I have become used to a very tight turning radius and heading down any dirt road that looks inviting. Would be nice to have a second vehicle like the Element though. I'll keep tuned in here so keep posting.
I'm looking at the Element to go with my '98 Wrangler - they should complement each other very well. I was pleasantly surprised at what a good turning radius the Element has - it will be much easier to park than the Tacoma (which is difficult to maneuver for a compact pickup, especially after driving the Wrangler for a while!).
We went to our local Honda dealer last weekend to look at a Pilot and my wife went nuts over the Element. We are way older than the market target, but our family is big into outdoor activities which get our stuff really dirty. The damn Pilot has carpeting in the back! The salesman said he sells more Elements to middle-age folks like us than to the Gen-Y target. We would have bought an Element on the spot, but it won't tow our pop-up camper (2000 lbs). Any chance Honda will make an Element with a bigger towing capacity?
I just got off the phone with my pops and he, today, purchased an orange Element EX with all the trimmings. I looked at the Element before buying my current MINI Cooper in April, but I am very excited to see my pops' Element...especially since I told him to check it out. He looked at the Scion B, Matrix and the Element, but when it came down to it he preferred the Element. The Scion he said looked cheap inside and the Matrix was too wagony (made up word). In any event, I'm looking forward to taking camping trips with him this summer, especially since I told him about the camping accessory he can purchase to make his Element a tent with wheels. I think it's awesome he has the car I almost bought. I guess this means we can trade when it suits us...fine with me.
Robert: I kind of doubt they'll increase the towing capacity, at least not before a major redesign. It's just not something Honda normally does.
They do make smaller pop-up campers, in fact one company marketed one specifically to Outback owners back when their towing capacity was 2000 lbs (the camper's dry weight was less).
Consider a Pilot with a rubber cargo liner. We have one in our two Subies and the carpet underneath is spotless.
Dealers still wanting crazy money and my fiance just spent more money on his GS300 so he doesn't want to trade it any time soon. But we are planning a semi-cross-country trip in October and I think it would be a blast to drive an Element.
The GS is an awesome highway car but the extra glass and height of the Element would make it a worthy competitor. Plus, we have a cat and don't really want to board her or trust her with relatives so the Element would make taking her with us an option. Not so with the GS or our Accord coupe.
I test drove an Element EX 4WD today with all the options (including Side Airbags) and loved it. This would be a third car for our son, who will be getting his license in under 2 months. The dealership wants MSRP for it. Is this normal or is there any bargaining on it?
Initially, I was gonna pick up a used explorer or something of the like, but this caught my eye when I was driving by the dealership. Both are in the same price range, so its just a matter of which I like more.
Also, something I was concerned about was the side impact crash tests ratings. Did the vehicle that was tested have the side airbags?
In response to automan 227 the model tested by IIHS did not have side airbags and this would have certainly raised their rating from poor to at least acceptable given the nature of the injuries without the bags. The great news is that the Element gets good ratings on all front impact tests and if you check on crashtest.com, great site, you'll find that the Element is cheaper to fix after fender benders than every other SUV, by quite a bit. We bought ours here in CA a week ago after a ton of research and love it.
Picking up my new sunset orange, 4wd, EX 5spd with side air bags this week. East coast dealers don't seem to be budging much below MSRP. Got it for about $200 below, but they threw in a lot of accessories (mats, wireless remote, window visors, fogs) and even a set of steel wheels from a DX that I wanted. All in all, not a bad deal and I really love the car.
But it does show how the spare location helps a lot, look at the CR-V's damage.
Side air bags would certainly help the score for the front passenger, but the rear passenger's head went through the window and was actually struck by the barrier (simulating the hood of the truck or SUV). So my guess is the overall score would still be "Marginal".
Side curtains would help. I think only the Vue offers those in this class.
The information as to the rear seat passenger results for the IIHS test is incorrect. The rear dummy did not "break through the glass and hit the barrier". The text from the IIHS site is copied below.
HEAD PROTECTION DRIVER The dummy's head contacted the window sill of the driver door. This contact did not produce high head injury measures. However, contacts with the window areas should be prevented. REAR PASSENGER The dummy's head contacted and broke the rear quarter glass. This impact did not produce high head injury measures. However, contacts with the window areas should be prevented.
Well, the video was far more dramatic than the text. I'm going by what I saw, not the text, which is incomplete.
IIRC, the guy commenting on the results on TV mentioned the head did contact the basher. The text does not confirm or deny that, but until that is clarified I'll stick to my guns.
1. The IIHS counted any head impact as serious or severe.
2. The dummy used in the crash was roughly the size of a 12 year-old or the smallest 2.5% of the female population (it was short).
3. The barrier used was the size of a full-sized pick-up (tall).
In other words, it's pretty clear that they designed this test to show the worst case scenario for head injury.
The side airbags used in the Element are intended to protect the torso of an adult. However, with such a short dummy, they might provide head protection, as well. As can be seen in this picture, the bag's deployment path does come up to the same level as the window sill. It's very close to where the dummy's head impacted. It may also keep the occupant's body upright in the seat. That could prevent the dummy's head from flopping about quite so much.
Whether or not this would be enough to prevent those head impacts is anybody's guess. However, I think there's good reason to expect that the airbags would increase the rating. After all, the lowest score for the Element was for the torso, not the head.
"During the side impact test of the Honda Element, the head of the left rear passenger dummy struck the side upper interior structure. Measurement of the impact indicates a higher likelihood of serious head trauma."
I agree, varmint, but we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about the rear passenger.
I agree that the front passenger would be better protected when equipped with the side air bags, in fact that's exactly what the IIHS test proved. For example, look at the Escape with and without them, huge difference.
I think what hurt was the relative location of the window. The back seat is set way, way back, plus the suicide doors are smaller, so instead of having that pillar to protect the rear passenger's head, the glass shattered.
I have a feeling lots of Element owners won't even use the back seat often, so to them it may not matter.
I'd agree with juice - if I'm any indication (along with others on this board) this vehicle is appealing to empty nesters or at least couples without kids.
Has anyone thought about adapting one into a camping van type of thing? I don't think it would be hard at all to do something with it. Not to the extent of a customized van or RV type of thing - just add a few things that would make it more like a camper.
i got the e-mail too, but when clicked on the link, there was no word on Element in particular, only special fiance rates on civic and lease deals on accords. I doubt there will be too many incentives on the element, as it is selling, although 5 spd 2WD DX's are heavily discounted here in the NE. I have yet to see a 5 spd 4WD EX at any of the dealer's lots. Carsdirect does not even list it at all.
Just got back from the Outer Banks in N.C. with our Element. The drive from NYC wasn't bad. There are quite a few places to go on the beach there with your vehicle, so being adventurous I gave it a shotin the E. First I tried without lowering the tire pressure, not working, got out and lowered them to 22psi and got rolling. The lack of clearance was evident right away, but we still forged on. The trail isn't packed like it is in Daytona, it's loose when dry and two decent sized dunes must be climbed to get to the water's edge. We got close to getting stuck when the front tires were spinning and the AWD didn't appear to kick in. (After we rocked out of the divits we got going again) After going back and scanning the manual, it said that the AWD can overheat and shut down, this may have happened to us. We didn't baby it we bounced around pretty good, the Jeep folks looked at us like we had ten heads but we kept rolling (a little slower than them) All in all it wasn't bad, but my confidence level wasn't very high while on the sand, I could see us getting stuck at any moment. There were times we had to punch it to have momentum enough to get through the deep sand while the gas tank was bottoming out, but for the most part it wasn't bad. We drove on the beach a coupe of times and went swimming, that was cool, open the doors put the radio on, nice! I just wish Honda had put in a DUMMY light so we would know that the AWD actually was kicking in.
Like Borg-Warner includes with their Torque On Demand unit, I agree. They even display the torque split.
Try even lower psi next time. My Forester was happiest at about 18psi. The wide tires float nicely. I didn't feel like I would get stuck at any point in time.
They looked at us like we had 5 heads. I think you got slightly more attention than us! LOL
Here's a pic from the NHTSA side impact crash test in which the E got 5 stars for front occupant and 4 stars for rear occupant. To see the actual test results click HERE. Click HERE to watch the NHTSA’s side crash test video.
Here's the pic from the IIHS side impact test for comparison:
......has a long term update......have to agree with most of it, especially the 4 seat limit and if all 4 are occupied, there's not a lot of "stuff" room. A stretched, 6 seater Element (or Honda Latitude) is the answer.
If I needed an 8 seater that weighs 4500 lbs and costs 45 grand (cdn)then yes, the Pilot would be just the ticket. 3-4 people capacity is my norm with the occasional need for 5-6 (and 2 of the 6 would be kids). Thus, a smaller vehicle like the Latitude (or a stretched Element) with a decent 4 cyl. would be fine. (Or maybe Honda's new V6 that shuts down 3 cyl when it's not being taxed and gets the fuel economy of a 4)
......cause I guess that's where I'd have to put my 6th passenger! CR-V would do in a pinch but needs 16" wheels and tires, the Element's more useful/convenient/less damage-prone tailgate arrangement and the Element's better-looking dashboard before I'd be interested.
For 6, what about a CR-V with a front bench seat? That could seat 6 without getting too big.
I don't see the Element's 4 banger pulling an even heavier vehicle.
Aftermarket wheels are easy to find and abundant in offsets that fit Hondas. Someone mentioned you can even use wheels from other Hondas, maybe lightly used.
I found some 16"x7" rims from MB Motoring that were being discontinued for $75 a pop. Brand new. With tires, mounted and balanced, delivered, and even lug nuts and wheel locks my total cost was $643.
You could even try sourcing that 3rd row seat that is sold in other markets for the CR-V, though that would take some effort.
Isn't there a category somewhere in "Wagons" called "Design your own Wagon", or something to that effect! I guess we're all car guys 'n gals here and all have ideas on how vehicles could improve or suit us better. Take the Element, for example. For the target market (20-something surfer dudes) it's probably right on. It's really meant as a two seater with lots of gear room, but if you happen to pick up a pair of surfer babes, you've got a couple of seats in the back for them! (I won't even go there about the "bed"!) For empty nesters without a lot of grandkids (NOT the target market!), it probably works ok too. For fortysomethings like me who appreciate it's functionality and easy-clean interior (NOT the intended target market, but the group that seems to be snapping most of these things up), it does fall short in a few areas when you have a family to consider.....namely seating and load capacity. If any manufacturer recognizes what is appealing about the Element and wants to put it in a slightly larger, more practical size for small families, that's ok by me.
I am a fortysomething (no kids) and have just discovered how functional the Element is for me and my wife. I rarely need to haul around more then another couple with us and they usually have the minivan if there is a need for 3 couples to travel. I like the setup the way it is and am really considering buying it instead of an Accord. I am looking forward to hearing from others about their experiences with the Element. BTW - I am interested in the 2WD EX.
I live in South Florida and my 2 local Honda dealers are both out of Element Brochures. I guess there is a lot of interest in them. Had to order one off the Honda site.
Artdecho, After two weeks with my "E", this 39yo (no kids) can say that the set-up works exactly the way it looks in the ads and really works for me. I got an orange, 4wd, EX, 5spd and highly recommend it. It holds all my stuff, moves me around with ease and is easy to take care of and keep clean. No fuss, no muss which is just what I wanted (I traded a Saab convertible for this with no regrets). Don't listen to anyone that says it needs more power. With the 5spd manual it pulls hard in every gear, handles great. You won't go wrong getting and E
"The recently introduced Honda Element—radical by U.S. standards—is but a vanilla derivative of a microvan craze that the Japanese have celebrated for nearly a decade. They refer to these practical vanettes as "height wagons," a niche initially popularized by the wildly successful Suzuki Wagon R."
congratulations sailoverfuel. you are about a month ahead of me.
the element has caught the wife's eye, and she wants to know more. took a test drive today and is ready to take the next step. after 7+ months of existence, there's some good experience posts out there. amazingly favorable for a new vehicle! how can you beat honda...
can any E owners provide input on the following questions:
1. the front passenger seat has no armrest. this is odd. does it bother anyone who transports passengers? is it possible to get one as an accessory?
2. i expected more posts about windnoise at hiway speeds with the non aerodynamic style, but there isn't too much about it. is this a showstopper for anyone?
3. do you have to consciously duck top 'o the clamshell rear hatch to avoid headbumps if you're tall?
4. is the optional shadescreen for the skylight a must if you have rear passengers?
5. wife is a non-manual tranny person. does the E have gimpy accel with an AWD automatic?
6. any early scoop on changes/improvements/updates on the '04's?
7. does the position of the shifter interfere with the climate controls?
I can answer to the best of my ability and short ride.
Yes, there is a factory installed middle arme rest that is avail as an accesory. I got it but will be installed later today so I cannot give you details regarding the feel and quality after its all said and done. Will post my opinion tomorrow (assuming there are no delays with the installation).
The drive is nice. Our primary car is a fully loaded Maxima so long drives will most like be in the Max but I have a feeling that the E will be a bit loud but thats just fine. It is meant to be different and I guess is a compromise. The inside is AWESOME.
Another note on yesterday's purchase. The delaership gave me 3 years of FREE oil changes. The downside is...how long do these oil changes take? I do not expect the 30 inute treatment but how long? As long as they do it the same day is fine since this is a secondary car after all.
I al going camping this weekend and cant wait to enjoy the added valeu of its space and features...will report.
This discussion groups have made me that much smarter in everything related to cars.
I look forward to getting mt G35 and/or the Bimmer 330X when my Max's lease is over....hee...hee!
We aren't automatic people but the auto in the Element provides smooth shifts and still feels peppy even if it's almost 2 seconds slower than the 5-speed. It also gets better gas mileage than the manual transmission Element.
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This works wth the CR-V and many other cars, but I've never seen it done with the Element. It's one of those "nuisance solutions". Stupid, annoying, and clumsy, but it's cheap and it works.
Step 1: Open the door and find the "trigger" on the sill.
Step 2: Stick a pen or pencil into the door jamb, so it holds the trigger closed.
For the exposed radiator, you can try using gutter guards. There are several brands available at home goods stores. They're essentially wire screens that hold their shape after being bent into the correct form. I know of at least one owner who installed them behind the grill on a CR-V simply as a styling upgrade. They won't work like a skid plate, but they'll keep loose debris from being a problem.
If anyone has installed the factory trailer wiring kit, I would love some feedback. I looked at an aftermarket "custom wiring kit for Honda Element" by one of the big hitch companies and installation looked like a major project involving disassembling about half of the interior in the rear to get at the Honda connector. Apparently the Honda connector is by the rear power outlet with no way to get to it other than disassembling the plastic tailgate slider cover,part of the floor and removing the passenger rear side wall. Even after all that you had to drill a hole to run the wiring outside. No fun at all.
I am hoping that the factory kit is easier to install, perhaps with a custom connector that eliminates the drilling.
If anyone has experience, I sure would appreciate it.
I drive a '91 Jeep Wrangler so I have become used to a very tight turning radius and heading down any dirt road that looks inviting. Would be nice to have a second vehicle like the Element though. I'll keep tuned in here so keep posting.
They do make smaller pop-up campers, in fact one company marketed one specifically to Outback owners back when their towing capacity was 2000 lbs (the camper's dry weight was less).
Consider a Pilot with a rubber cargo liner. We have one in our two Subies and the carpet underneath is spotless.
-juice
The Element would be more fun if you were, say, driving down the coast, along the beaches.
-juice
We have a lap dog and we harness him and he's quiet enough to lay on a back seat passenger's lap.
I guess cats have claws, though.
Where are you going to/from? (slow day on Edmunds, can you tell?)
-juice
Don't want to crate her for that long.
Initially, I was gonna pick up a used explorer or something of the like, but this caught my eye when I was driving by the dealership. Both are in the same price range, so its just a matter of which I like more.
Also, something I was concerned about was the side impact crash tests ratings. Did the vehicle that was tested have the side airbags?
Thanks.
AS
We bought ours here in CA a week ago after a ton of research and love it.
As for the bumpers, Element is actually ranked #2, Forester suffers even less damage:
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/low_speed_smsuv.htm
But it does show how the spare location helps a lot, look at the CR-V's damage.
Side air bags would certainly help the score for the front passenger, but the rear passenger's head went through the window and was actually struck by the barrier (simulating the hood of the truck or SUV). So my guess is the overall score would still be "Marginal".
Side curtains would help. I think only the Vue offers those in this class.
-juice
HEAD PROTECTION
DRIVER The dummy's head contacted the window sill of the driver door. This contact did not produce high head injury measures. However, contacts with the window areas should be prevented.
REAR PASSENGER The dummy's head contacted and broke the rear quarter glass. This impact did not produce high head injury measures. However, contacts with the window areas should be prevented.
IIRC, the guy commenting on the results on TV mentioned the head did contact the basher. The text does not confirm or deny that, but until that is clarified I'll stick to my guns.
Maybe I'm geezin' so correct me if I'm wrong...
-juice
2. The dummy used in the crash was roughly the size of a 12 year-old or the smallest 2.5% of the female population (it was short).
3. The barrier used was the size of a full-sized pick-up (tall).
In other words, it's pretty clear that they designed this test to show the worst case scenario for head injury.
The side airbags used in the Element are intended to protect the torso of an adult. However, with such a short dummy, they might provide head protection, as well. As can be seen in this picture, the bag's deployment path does come up to the same level as the window sill. It's very close to where the dummy's head impacted. It may also keep the occupant's body upright in the seat. That could prevent the dummy's head from flopping about quite so much.
Whether or not this would be enough to prevent those head impacts is anybody's guess. However, I think there's good reason to expect that the airbags would increase the rating. After all, the lowest score for the Element was for the torso, not the head.
Rollover, Crash Test Results (NHTSA)
Steve, Host
I agree that the front passenger would be better protected when equipped with the side air bags, in fact that's exactly what the IIHS test proved. For example, look at the Escape with and without them, huge difference.
-juice
I have a feeling lots of Element owners won't even use the back seat often, so to them it may not matter.
-juice
Has anyone thought about adapting one into a camping van type of thing? I don't think it would be hard at all to do something with it. Not to the extent of a customized van or RV type of thing - just add a few things that would make it more like a camper.
-juice
and the even better question did anyone actually find the element clearance?
found everything else , but nothing on element end of year discounts
We got close to getting stuck when the front tires were spinning and the AWD didn't appear to kick in. (After we rocked out of the divits we got going again) After going back and scanning the manual, it said that the AWD can overheat and shut down, this may have happened to us. We didn't baby it we bounced around pretty good, the Jeep folks looked at us like we had ten heads but we kept rolling (a little slower than them) All in all it wasn't bad, but my confidence level wasn't very high while on the sand, I could see us getting stuck at any moment. There were times we had to punch it to have momentum enough to get through the deep sand while the gas tank was bottoming out, but for the most part it wasn't bad. We drove on the beach a coupe of times and went swimming, that was cool, open the doors put the radio on, nice!
I just wish Honda had put in a DUMMY light so we would know that the AWD actually was kicking in.
Try even lower psi next time. My Forester was happiest at about 18psi. The wide tires float nicely. I didn't feel like I would get stuck at any point in time.
They looked at us like we had 5 heads. I think you got slightly more attention than us! LOL
-juice
To see the actual test results click HERE. Click HERE to watch the NHTSA’s side crash test video.
Here's the pic from the IIHS side impact test for comparison:
-juice
I don't see the Element's 4 banger pulling an even heavier vehicle.
Aftermarket wheels are easy to find and abundant in offsets that fit Hondas. Someone mentioned you can even use wheels from other Hondas, maybe lightly used.
I found some 16"x7" rims from MB Motoring that were being discontinued for $75 a pop. Brand new. With tires, mounted and balanced, delivered, and even lug nuts and wheel locks my total cost was $643.
You could even try sourcing that 3rd row seat that is sold in other markets for the CR-V, though that would take some effort.
-juice
here and all have ideas on how vehicles could improve or suit us better. Take the Element, for example. For the target market (20-something surfer dudes) it's probably right on. It's really meant as a two seater with lots of gear room, but if you happen to pick up a pair of surfer babes, you've got a couple of seats in the back for them!
(I won't even go there about the "bed"!) For empty nesters without a lot of grandkids (NOT the target market!), it probably works ok too. For fortysomethings like me who appreciate it's functionality and easy-clean interior (NOT the intended target market, but the group that seems to be snapping most of these things up), it does fall short in a few areas when you have a family to consider.....namely seating and load capacity.
If any manufacturer recognizes what is appealing about the Element and wants to put it in a slightly larger, more practical size for small families, that's ok by me.
BTW - I am interested in the 2WD EX.
After two weeks with my "E", this 39yo (no kids) can say that the set-up works exactly the way it looks in the ads and really works for me. I got an orange, 4wd, EX, 5spd and highly recommend it. It holds all my stuff, moves me around with ease and is easy to take care of and keep clean. No fuss, no muss which is just what I wanted (I traded a Saab convertible for this with no regrets). Don't listen to anyone that says it needs more power. With the 5spd manual it pulls hard in every gear, handles great. You won't go wrong getting and E
Steve, Host
-juice
"The recently introduced Honda Element—radical by U.S. standards—is but a vanilla derivative of a microvan craze that the Japanese have celebrated for nearly a decade. They refer to these practical vanettes as "height wagons," a niche initially popularized by the wildly successful Suzuki Wagon R."
Steve, Host
the element has caught the wife's eye, and she wants to know more. took a test drive today and is ready to take the next step. after 7+ months of existence, there's some good experience posts out there. amazingly favorable for a new vehicle! how can you beat honda...
can any E owners provide input on the following questions:
1. the front passenger seat has no armrest. this is odd. does it bother anyone who transports passengers? is it possible to get one as an accessory?
2. i expected more posts about windnoise at hiway speeds with the non aerodynamic style, but there isn't too much about it. is this a showstopper for anyone?
3. do you have to consciously duck top 'o the clamshell rear hatch to avoid headbumps if you're tall?
4. is the optional shadescreen for the skylight a must if you have rear passengers?
5. wife is a non-manual tranny person. does the E have gimpy accel with an AWD automatic?
6. any early scoop on changes/improvements/updates on the '04's?
7. does the position of the shifter interfere with the climate controls?
thx for the scoop...
Yes, there is a factory installed middle arme rest that is avail as an accesory. I got it but will be installed later today so I cannot give you details regarding the feel and quality after its all said and done. Will post my opinion tomorrow (assuming there are no delays with the installation).
The drive is nice. Our primary car is a fully loaded Maxima so long drives will most like be in the Max but I have a feeling that the E will be a bit loud but thats just fine. It is meant to be different and I guess is a compromise. The inside is AWESOME.
Another note on yesterday's purchase. The delaership gave me 3 years of FREE oil changes. The downside is...how long do these oil changes take? I do not expect the 30 inute treatment but how long? As long as they do it the same day is fine since this is a secondary car after all.
I al going camping this weekend and cant wait to enjoy the added valeu of its space and features...will report.
This discussion groups have made me that much smarter in everything related to cars.
I look forward to getting mt G35 and/or the Bimmer 330X when my Max's lease is over....hee...hee!