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Oh yeah, driving in a random rain shower this morning on 5 north of Tacoma. About half the cars hit their brakes! It wasn't a downpour, and they were lucky to be going the limit to begin with. What is it with people here, it rains 300 days a year and they still freak out.
Sorry about your LLC that moved Right, because you wouldn't and why not?
Either you or the LLC will move right so why insist on him moving? :P
A podunk farmer knows, "It's easier to plow around the stump."
Obstructing traffic is illegal, right?
Also had 2 crosswalk close calls while jogging, both coffee drinkers, shocking, and I also saw a crosswalk walker have a very close call with a young woman in a new style X3 - I bet she bought it herself, right.
Why didn't you just wait until you could go around on his right?
The right lane was going the same speed as the LLC, or maybe even marginally faster. But it's the responsibility of the LLC to move over, not for me to pass on the right. Sharing the road is a two way street, the slow and timid need to take responsibility too.
"...Northwest drivers have a reputation for camping in the left lane and holding up cars that are trying to pass"
I hadn't noticed :shades:
I hope this is actually enforced and not ignored, like phone laws seem to have been.
Yeah, that happens to me all the time. :P
Geez, were they that desperate for reasons why LLC-ing is a bad idea? :sick:
I wish California would learn some lessons from Texas.
If my speed is only slightly higher that the camper's, I will speed up a bit to reduce the time spent adjacent to their vehicle.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I have always thought that every neighborhood should be outfitted with car alarm seeking missles. If a car alarm goes off for more than 1 minute the system solves the poblem.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Funny thing is either 1) they are not paying attention to anything on the road including high beam flashes, 2) they want to control people behind them and refuse to move, or 3) they move over so slowly that you have to brake down to their speed anyway. I'm talking a movement of about 1" to the right per second; very slow!
I'll usually double flash them at the point where I think they can still get out of the way if they hurry for the 2nd time. If that doesn't work, I will either drive on the left line of my lane so that they get the message in their left mirror.
2nd resorts include: Honking (I extremely rarely have done that to LLC's though; maybe just a quick one occassionally as I'm passing on the right by force from them) I've known other drivers with loud engines/exhault/mufflers will rev their engines behind them to send the message, but I don't know how effective that is for someone in front of you that probably has the stereo on loudly anyway.
3rd resort: ride their bumper moderately until they get out of the way or pass on the right.
Aggressive tactics I"ve seen used: ride their bumper very closely, lay on the horn until they move, cut them off when you pass on right move back into the left lane 2' in front of their front bumper to send the message. Also, when going by a speed limit sign (when they are under it) point to it with your middle finger and give a look of disgust that hopefully they will see in their review mirror to remind them of the speed limit.
Extreme tactic: After cutting them off slam the brakes and make them go 15 slower than the slow speed they wanted to go in the first place.
Any other cool ideas?
Super Extreme tactic: (especially applicable to large SUV/Truck drivers). Simply bump them from behind until they move :P
Actually IMHO the best way to deal with an LLC is to safely move over to the right and pass. No drama, no finger waving etc. If they want to try and speed up a simple punch to the floor will do the trick (290 HP has its place at times)
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
I've also pointed at speed limit signs...never really truly brake checked, although I have passed and slowed down, to make a point, especially with those who speed up while being passed, which seems like another local disease (happened to me just yesterday).
In an alternative, I would use my steel pushbumpers and have a spring in each so after one tap the springs would catalput the offending car into the lane to me left and then I would have a clear shot passing them.
I do remember three of us in three CHP cars were chasing a murder's car on the Eastshore Freeway and one of the "newer" CHP officers were driving the lead CHP car. He sped up and hit the rear of the fleeing car at about 30 mph. The front car spun our of control and stopped near the Albany exit.
He fled on foot but the local police caught him. It was a crazy time in the 1967-76 years, and I am sooooo glad to be retired from that very dangerous job.
Good luck to all and stay safe.
jensad
Something with metal bumpers is a necessity, modern cars with endless plastic just won't cut it.
I bet there was some wild stuff back then too, especially in CA.
I wouldn't recommend any of those.
Flashing high beams is illegal and could cause an accident if you happen to blind the driver in front of you.
Honking the horn could escalate the situation and make things worse.
Riding their bumper is illegal and could also cause an accident (if they break you will hit them before your foot hits the brake) and it will be your fault.
Best thing to do is follow behind them at a reasonable distance until you can safely pass them then do so without being agressive. It truely doesn't cost you much time. Plus it will help prevent ulcers.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
If there's no oncoming traffic, just make it downshift and pop around. No problem in my car anyway.
I have found that driving behind an LLC it can help to drive with your hazards on. The constant flashing tends to bother them for some reason.
Instead of riding to the left of the lane, I actually ride more to the right behind them and put on my right turn signal. Not sure why, but it has worked a few times.
On a two-lane back road we were traveling around 10-15 under the limit, so I put the hazards on. The guy in front pulled off to the side to let me pass, then gave me the finger and flashed his high beams on when I passed. I must say I was pleased with the results as I didn't have to crawl at his pace the rest of the way home.
Typically around here, LLCs tend to have a massive chip on their shoulders. They refuse to move over, but if you are driving in the right lane they will speed up to try and prevent you from going around. This generally has nothing to do with the speed limit (could be more, could be less), but more to do with their chosen speed to be applied to everyone. As expected, they will slow down once they catch up to another vehicle and will pace them to keep you behind. I would guess this applies to about 85-90% of them.
Best idea is to pick up the pace and blow past on the right, then cut left as quick as you can in front to prevent them from speeding up to block you.
I have no idea why there is such an animosity for driving in the right lane, I guess I will never understand.
So is bank robbery.
It's also illegal to obstruct traffic...
Here in IL the law reads that it is illegal to interfere with the legal use of the road.
If there's no oncoming traffic, just make it downshift and pop around. No problem in my car anyway.
Kind of hard to do on an Interstate.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Thankfully I don't live in the most corrupt state in the union :sick: LLCing is illegal in my neck of the woods, and LEOs have at least promised enforcement.
Interstates usually have many lanes, even easier to pop around those who shouldn't be driving at all.
Just keep right.
Depends on your viewpoint.
Just keep right.
Most of my interstate driving I stay out of the right lane, but then again I live in the Chicago Metro area where all the interstates have at least three lanes. Just to many people merging on and off in that right lane so I usually stay in one of the middle lanes.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
On a trip up to Boston last year through CT traffic was fairly heavy in the left and center lanes. What boggled the mind is that the right lane was COMPLETELY empty except for me. I was cruising along at about 75 or so, with the traffic "flow" limping along at around 25-35. I was a bit nervous to go over a hill to find that my lane suddenly ended due to construction or otherwise, but fortunately the lane continued on.
My biggest concern was what if one of those drivers decided to actually use the right lane? At least there was a shoulder to swerve on if necessary. This went on for about 10 - 15 miles, couldn't figure it out at all. No construction, trucks. Just me and the open lane
If you merely blow by them on the right I doubt they even care much nor learn any lesson. (some do once 10 cars pass on the right successively).
By letting them know while I"m passing on the right that there driving is unacceptable in some way (a quick honk, or something), you are letting them know their driving is below standard, and at least a lesson has been taught. Some people will probably need more lessons than others before they correct their behaviour, but you got to start somewhere.
I do it for the good of society. I think if everyone did what I did then the people driving poorly would finally get it. I mean, I don't get honked at or flipped off very often. If I did, I'd question my driving skills. I think LLCer's, as hard as it is to believe, can learn and improve!
Has it ever occurred to you that the actions you suggested may be as inconsiderate or more so than being a LLC?
You can't teach another good manners if you are not exercising them yourself. All you are going to do is give them a reason to come here and complain about the idiot driver who tailgated them.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The biggest problem with danger, the biggest threat to safety, the biggest causer of traffic and congestion, the biggest causer (even if indirectly) of accidents.
It's a number 1 priority to correct! Life will be good when LLCing is non-existant.
There are crazies out there. This is America. Some of them have guns. :sick:
Unfortunately, it is just another symptom of the true problem, which is the selfish, self-righteous, control-freak attitude that is so prevalent in our society. The behavior is just another manifestation of that attitude, just like tailgating and a myriad of other roadway and societal maladies.
I think enforcement strategies are every bit as big of a problem as LLCs. Tenuous "laws" and regulations created by "engineers" of dubious merit are also up there.
I also think that what Andres3 said about LLCing being one of the (UNSEEN)major causes of accidents is very very true. It is just that safety agencies (such as NHTSA/IIHS) do not document nor run (correlation) statiistical analysis on it to verify the connections or whether the connections are totally random. How this isindicative of what I said in the first paragraph, as in Europe: the passing lane is left open for ...PASSING (by law) . One can get a real ticket for LLCing and a ticket for passing on the right. So it isn't like there are NO data nor history nor laws meant for certain things to happen.
So the only thing that I can possibly hope, in some small way (not that I even give a lot of thought to this) is to not be the cause/victim/envolvee of a single to multiple car accident due to LLCing on my part.: ie., (I) KEEP RIGHT, except to pass.
I also think it is an EXTREME disservice in that the lack of research and or corelations studies do not highlight nor make know the situations that lead to single and multiple car accidents.
A few years ago my boss got a speeding ticket (not sure if also got hit for passing on right?) on rt. 295 in Jersey, a stretch where it is at least 4 lanes wide.
Left 3 had side by side by side cars cruising along at about the SL. So lead foot boss goes to the far right lane, and passes them (in a Mustang GT).
turns out the 3 cars were all troopers (not in normal cars either, I think they were using "undercover" type vehicles), and they snagged him quick.
cheesey in my book. if they want to slow down traffic, block all 4 lanes. Otherwise, it is pretty much just entrapment! not to mention dangerous, but they don't care about that normally.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
It actually reminds me of a three state, 5 car wolf packs that I am sure they (3 states) were running in unison. Basically with a wide center meridian, they had one "radar" GUNNER car set up and two chase cars in either direction. Sort of like that TOP GUN movie where Tom Cruise say I'll hook em (gun em) and his GIB (guy in back) says and I'll clean em and fry em, ah ha. So a victim (customer) gets gunned and a free chase car nails him.
So if you are happening onto the situation, in either direction on the frenzy, I am sure the first reaction is BAD BAD BAD accident. So I am sure EVERYBODY is ready to SLAM on their brakes. I know for me I get ready to literally leave the road if I can. Just as a passer by, I saw several near miss disasters. It turned a literally bucolic rural highway scene into more like feeding time for the sharks @ the aquariam.
It was amazing to see how everyone can peacefully co-exist up there, regardless of the speed at which you coose to travel